Boxing Off-Topic

[JayBee74]

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I think it happens in the Fall. The stuff you are seeing is just examples of Canelo being the A side and making demands he can make.

You saw the list of available fights. NONE of them are PPV level fights and GB needs a Canelo fight in September. The only one I could see throwing a wrench in it is a potential Cotto rematch.

I dont think the weight thing will be an issue and GG will concede a catchweight fight.

Yeah, it could be the A-side stuff or it could be ducking. Didn't Canelo get $10 million for the Cotto fight? What do you think his take will be for GGG? You think Oscar and team have assessed the post-Golovkin era of Alvarez if he suffers a brutal beating? Does Golden Boy even think their "hope to be" cash cow has a chance? I don't know if GB or Canelo need that kind of trouble in September.

I would be shocked if the fight goes off in 2016, but I hope I'm wrong, because I would love to see Carrot Top get koed.

[Sgt_Carnage]

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I think it happens in the Fall. The stuff you are seeing is just examples of Canelo being the A side and making demands he can make.

You saw the list of available fights. NONE of them are PPV level fights and GB needs a Canelo fight in September. The only one I could see throwing a wrench in it is a potential Cotto rematch.

I dont think the weight thing will be an issue and GG will concede a catchweight fight.

Yeah, but it's kind of hypocritical of GB to be doing it, when they constantly trashed Floyd Mayweather for doing the same.

But yeah hopefully it happens in the fall.

[aholbert32]

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Yeah, it could be the A-side stuff or it could be ducking. Didn't Canelo get $10 million for the Cotto fight? What do you think his take will be for GGG? You think Oscar and team have assessed the post-Golovkin era of Alvarez if he suffers a brutal beating? Does Golden Boy even think their "hope to be" cash cow has a chance? I don't know if GB or Canelo need that kind of trouble in September.

I would be shocked if the fight goes off in 2016, but I hope I'm wrong, because I would love to see Carrot Top get koed.

Canelo got 5 mil for the Cotto fight because he was the B side.

He isnt a cash cow if he doesnt sell PPVs. He's not going to sell even 200k ppvs fighting Billy Joe Saunders or Andy Lee. There are no other names at 154 or 160. This isnt like 147 where there are 5-6 fighters who are decent draws.

[aholbert32]

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Yeah, but it's kind of hypocritical of GB to be doing it, when they constantly trashed Floyd Mayweather for doing the same.

But yeah hopefully it happens in the fall.

It is but everyone does it. The A-side always has crazy demands before the negotiations get serious.

[JayBee74]

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Canelo got 5 mil for the Cotto fight because he was the B side.

He isnt a cash cow if he doesnt sell PPVs. He's not going to sell even 200k ppvs fighting Billy Joe Saunders or Andy Lee. There are no other names at 154 or 160. This isnt like 147 where there are 5-6 fighters who are decent draws.

I know Canelo was on the B-side of the Cotto fight, but I think $5 million was the base number. There are varying reports but I think he got an extra $2 million with PPV incentives. $10 million was the number floated around but I believe that was based on 1.5 million buys and the generated only 900,000. Don't quote me on that.

He's going to sell PPV's this May with Khan, and why are you excluding 147 pounders? Alvarez and Golden Boy aren't going to be shy about fighting welterweights at 154. Hagler wasn't shy about getting Hearns, Sugar Ray, and Duran in the ring for more money. Admittedly I'm not sure about what's in the 147 well for the "catchweight" middleweight champ.

I'll ask you again. If GGG destroys this guy what does that do Canelo's future earning power?

[aholbert32]

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I know Canelo was on the B-side of the Cotto fight, but I think $5 million was the base number. There are varying reports but I think he got an extra $2 million with PPV incentives. $10 million was the number floated around but I believe that was based on 1.5 million buys and the generated only 900,000. Don't quote me on that.

He's going to sell PPV's this May with Khan, and why are you excluding 147 pounders? Alvarez and Golden Boy aren't going to be shy about fighting welterweights at 154. Hagler wasn't shy about getting Hearns, Sugar Ray, and Duran in the ring for more money. Admittedly I'm not sure about what's in the 147 well for the "catchweight" middleweight champ.

I'll ask you again. If GGG destroys this guy what does that do Canelo's future earning power?

I'm confused. One of the reasons you guys are knocking the Khan pick is because he is fighting a 147 pounder when he could technically fight at 160, right? Other than Thurman (who isnt a draw), I dont see many big name 147s who people wouldnt be making the same complaint. Porter? Garcia? Pac? Brook? Bradley? All of them would be very small 154s. Furthermore, none of them have indicated that they would be willing to fight above 147 at this point.

Thats not even factoring that half of the top 10 at 147 is Haymon controlled. The only reason the Khan fight got made was because Khan is the only fighter in the Haymon stable that treats Haymon like an advisor and not a promoter.

To your question, it lessens it but so does any loss where someone gets destroyed. People keep referring to Canelo as GB's "cash cow" and I question what you guys consider as a cash cow. He hasnt done over 350k as a A side. In order to do respectable numbers, he needs a big A side or at least a B side that has a following. He's not going to become a "cash cow" by constantly fighting people that are no names or overmatched opponents.

So he will eventually need the GGG fight and will likely need it as early as this Fall. But he doesnt need to take the fight right now. GGG still needs to increase his profile in order to make this a truly big PPV fight. I know HBO is spinning the hell out of his numbers but the 150k he drew for the Lemieux fight shows that he's still only a draw with hardcore fight fans.

GBP could hold out making that fight until Spring 2016 but I struggle to think of who Canelo could fight in the Fall PPV. Also HBO wants to make this fight badly and will apply some pressure.

[JayBee74]

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I'm confused. One of the reasons you guys are knocking the Khan pick is because he is fighting a 147 pounder when he could technically fight at 160, right? Other than Thurman (who isnt a draw), I dont see many big name 147s who people wouldnt be making the same complaint. Porter? Garcia? Pac? Brook? Bradley? All of them would be very small 154s. Furthermore, none of them have indicated that they would be willing to fight above 147 at this point.

My main knock against Canelo is his 160 catchweight angle. Whether I don't like his choice of Khan is irrelevant. I'm just saying the GB team is not going to look the other way if a welterweight wants to fight at a junior middleweight catchweight for the middleweight title.

To your question, it lessens it but so does any loss where someone gets destroyed. People keep referring to Canelo as GB's "cash cow" and I question what you guys consider as a cash cow. He hasnt done over 350k as a A side. In order to do respectable numbers, he needs a big A side or at least a B side that has a following. He's not going to become a "cash cow" by constantly fighting people that are no names or overmatched opponents.

I already stated that De La Hoya is overestimating Alvarez's PPV future earnings, but how much do you think he'll make against GGG? I posted these numbers a couple of days ago.

VS Mayweather- 2.2 million
VS Angulo-350,000
VS Lara-300,000
VS Cotto-900,000

Now how much is a Golovkin fight going to bring to Canelo and Golden Boy? And let's look at the B side...GGG is going to fight at 155 and take a 20-80 or 30-70 split to make a couple or three million?

Hey, I respect what you're saying and it's only my opinion, but I don't see it happening as early as fall.

[aholbert32]

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My main knock against Canelo is his 160 catchweight angle. Whether I don't like his choice of Khan is irrelevant. I'm just saying the GB team is not going to look the other way if a welterweight wants to fight at a junior middleweight catchweight for the middleweight title.



I already stated that De La Hoya is overestimating Alvarez's PPV future earnings, but how much do you think he'll make against GGG? I posted these numbers a couple of days ago.

VS Mayweather- 2.2 million
VS Angulo-350,000
VS Lara-300,000
VS Cotto-900,000

Now how much is a Golovkin fight going to bring to Canelo and Golden Boy? And let's look at the B side...GGG is going to fight at 155 and take a 20-80 or 30-70 split to make a couple or three million?

Hey, I respect what you're saying and it's only my opinion, but I don't see it happening as early as fall.

I think if he made that fight right now, I think the fight does anywhere from 500k-700k. With a one or two more dominant wins for GGG, I could see the fight pushing 600k-800k.

Here is my thinking behind that:

1) I think GGG's profile is higher than Angulo and Lara.
2) Canelo's profile is also higher after the Cotto win.
3) Correct me if I'm wrong but I think the Angulo and Lara PPVs were Showtime presentations. Just my opinion, but I've always felt that HBO does a better job hyping PPVs. Give Canelo/GGG a 24/7, Faceoff and all of the HBO ppv hype and I think that accounts for a higher buy rate.

I think GGG will make more than 3 million. He made 2 million as the A side of the Lemieux fight that drew 150k. A 70/30 split is probably the absolute low that he will receive. 60/40 is more likely and given the amount that this event will likely draw when it comes to the gate and PPV, he could earn more than 5.

[JayBee74]

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I think GGG will make more than 3 million. He made 2 million as the A side of the Lemieux fight that drew 150k. A 70/30 split is probably the absolute low that he will receive. 60/40 is more likely and given the amount that this event will likely draw when it comes to the gate and PPV, he could earn more than 5.

Seems like a pretty good estimate if there is a fight. Who knows? It may happen, if Canelo can reel in north of $10 million.

[pietasterp]

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Andre Ward on the "Chad, Joe, and Lo" show (for you Bay area denizens) this morning announced he was going to fight Sullivan Barrera at (r)Oracle in Oakland in March. Pretty much also confirmed that, provided negotiations work out (always a big "if" in boxing...), Kovalev-Ward is on like Donkey Kong for November in either Vegas or MSG.

[JayBee74]

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Andre Ward on the "Chad, Joe, and Lo" show (for you Bay area denizens) this morning announced he was going to fight Sullivan Barrera at (r)Oracle in Oakland in March. Pretty much also confirmed that, provided negotiations work out (always a big "if" in boxing...), Kovalev-Ward is on like Donkey Kong for November in either Vegas or MSG.

Yeah, I had mentioned the Barrera fight a few days ago. Tough fight and trained by Abel Sanchez, GGG's guy.

[Money99]

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Andre Ward on the "Chad, Joe, and Lo" show (for you Bay area denizens) this morning announced he was going to fight Sullivan Barrera at (r)Oracle in Oakland in March. Pretty much also confirmed that, provided negotiations work out (always a big "if" in boxing...), Kovalev-Ward is on like Donkey Kong for November in either Vegas or MSG.

I'm praying this becomes a reality!

Outside of GGG-Canelo, is there a bigger fight on the horizon?
The only one I'd rather see is Kovalev-Stevenson. But I think that fight has passed the expiration date.
Is Superman even doing anything these days?

[JayBee74]

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The only one I'd rather see is Kovalev-Stevenson. But I think that fight has passed the expiration date.
Is Superman even doing anything these days?

"Chickenson" is apparently avoiding Kovalez, at least according to Kolavez.

Andre Ward on the "Chad, Joe, and Lo" show (for you Bay area denizens) this morning announced he was going to fight Sullivan Barrera at (r)Oracle in Oakland in March. Pretty much also confirmed that, provided negotiations work out (always a big "if" in boxing...), Kovalev-Ward is on like Donkey Kong for November in either Vegas or MSG.

I've been hearing this from Ward for the last several weeks, but I have to see a written contract.

[Money99]

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Sad story about a boxing rivalry that ended in murder:

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/a-south-florida-boxing-rivalry-leads-to-cold-blooded-murder-8269380?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=boxing

[JayBee74]

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Sad story about a boxing rivalry that ended in murder:

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/a-...ampaign=boxing

That's rough. Some people can't handle losing.