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[N51_rob]

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So Rios shuts down the KO rumor personally.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=38&v=0_GD2v3vg0Q

[pk500]

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I give McGregor a chance but he has to get it done fairly early because I do not think he can outpoint Mayweather. That said everyone gets old and in boxing you can get old overnight. I've seen better boxers than Mayweather age from one fight to the next.
No doubt McGregor can take a hit. If you can take getting kicked you sure as hell can take a punch.

I would love to see torque figures of a MMA kick compared to a trained boxer's punch. I bet the force is closer than you think.

[pk500]

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2. People seem to be forgetting Floyd is 40 years old. He is still the smartest boxer in history, but his physical reactions will be slower. A split second is all you need in boxing.

Smartest boxer in history? Did history start in 1996?

Mayweather is still quicker than just about any fighter out there. He's FAR quicker than McGregor.

3. Conor's punching power will not scare Floyd. Boxers punch harder than MMA fighters period. Their bodies are machines built for this singular purpose. Floyd has fought many guys that punch harder than Conor

Bingo. Most of the MMA heads can't grasp this. A mid-level pro fighter who has trained to do nothing but punch can punch harder than any MMA fighter at the same weight class.

4. Floyd unquestionably has the power to KO Conor, but he doesn't have the will to do so. Earlier in the thread someone said they expect this to be similar to Floyd-Gatti. I don't think so. Floyd doesn't throw combos like he used to and perhaps more importantly, and why I view this as a farce...

I don't think Floyd has the power, period. He hasn't knocked out anyone since the semi-sucker punch of Ortiz in 2011. McGregor has a solid beard and won't be KO'd. Maybe a TKO due to being drubbed with about 15 straight punches in a later round, but he won't be counted out of the ring.

Conor may not land anything of note in the entire fight (which I expect to go the distance), and Floyd will land potshots seemingly at will after the 4th round. But unless something changes before the fight, he will not chain them together. The people forking the money to watch this entertainment event on PPV are getting played.

Again, spot-on. But people are stupid. P.T. Barnum was right: A sucker is born every minute.

[pk500]

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Here is a clip of Vasyl Lomanchenko sparring with TJ Dillashaw (former UFC bantamweight champ).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxbRy_PO0vU

Vasyl clearly is getting the better of TJ (as he should) but TJ is still landing. Dillashaw is primarily a wrestler who's focused on striking for the last 5 years. Now Vasyl isnt going full speed but people have this false impression that all MMA fighters have no boxing skills and thats simply not true.

Dillashaw's form is comical against Lomachenko, who looks to be going about one-quarter speed. Hands at his waist, completely square. Wide, looping punches. Throwing looping lead hooks with no setup by the jab.

Lomachenko is hitting him at will while Dillashaw is trying to unload with big shots and missing or hitting a glove.

I don't doubt for a second that some MMA guys have striking skill. But comparing the striking skills of an MMA fighter to a professional boxer is like comparing the marksmanship skills of some guy who shoots at the local gun range with those of an elite SWAT team member.

Boxers are fistic specialists; MMA fighters are not and never will be.

[JayBee74]

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honestly.
Why would he need to train for a year when he's been training for most of his career? That Chris Van Heerdan video that everyone has been talking about is from 2016 when he was prepping for the second Diaz fight. He does non-grappling sparring for every fight.

What ever he was preparing for he didn't exhibit elite boxing skills.

My point is you can do boxing training all you want, it's not going to help you anywhere near as much as the experience of actual combat inside a boxing ring.

I havent talked to a single intelligent MMA fan who thinks Conor is going to win or even gives him a decent chance to win. The only MMA media member who gives him a chance is Brendan Schaub and I think he's trolling honestly.

But the MMA fans are betting him down and they're putting their money where their mouth is. Joe Rogan is talking Conor up a bit.

I dont agree with that. There are hundreds of professional boxers I would give a less than 1% chance to beat Floyd.

Point taken. Probably anybody outside of the top 20 would have a 1% or less chance.

[aholbert32]

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What ever he was preparing for he didn't exhibit elite boxing skills.

My point is you can do boxing training all you want, it's not going to help you anywhere near as much as the experience of actual combat inside a boxing ring.



But the MMA fans are betting him down and they're putting their money where their mouth is. Joe Rogan is talking Conor up a bit.



Point taken. Probably anybody outside of the top 20 would have a 1% or less chance.

****, have you seen the odds? If they go higher, I may put some money on Conor. Its the same as playing the lottery.

[JayBee74]

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****, have you seen the odds? If they go higher, I may put some money on Conor. Its the same as playing the lottery.

Conor is less than 4-1 (+350) on Bovada, which isn't nearly LONG enough.

[aholbert32]

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Conor is less than 4-1 (+350) on Bovada, which isn't nearly LONG enough.

He's plus 525 on Betonline. He was around plus 800 when the fight was first announced and more than that before it was officially announced.

[JayBee74]

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He's plus 525 on Betonline. He was around plus 800 when the fight was first announced and more than that before it was officially announced.

As of yesterday, a UK story had him at 11-2 (+550). Good odds but not enough for me. Bovada odds (+350) remain the same.

[JayBee74]

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Joe Smith suffered a broken jaw in the second round of his loss to Sullivan Barrera Saturday night. This might mitigate his defeat but it also raises questions about the fragility of that area. He broke his jaw five years ago in a loss to tomato can Eddie Caminero.

[N51_rob]

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So Robert "The Ghost" Guerrero announced his retirement from the sport follow his loss Saturday. It was the first time in his career he had been KOed.

[pk500]

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So Robert "The Ghost" Guerrero announced his retirement from the sport follow his loss Saturday. It was the first time in his career he had been KOed.

About time. Hopefully he has saved his money well. Guerrero was a tough out when he was younger, but he never quite good enough to be elite and has lived on Haymon Welfare -- otherwise known as the failing PBC -- for too long.

[gmac0322]

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So Robert "The Ghost" Guerrero announced his retirement from the sport follow his loss Saturday. It was the first time in his career he had been KOed.

The shots he was taking in that fight were brutal. Knocked down three times in one round. Exciting 2 rounds though. Back and forth action.

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[JayBee74]

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So Robert "The Ghost" Guerrero announced his retirement from the sport follow his loss Saturday. It was the first time in his career he had been KOed.

This fight got by me but considering Omar Figueroa had a 19 month layoff and went from lightweight to welterweight his KO win over iron chinned Guerrero was impressive. In 2014 Ring Magazine had him as the #1 lightweight just under then champ Terence Crawford. I'm positive he will not go back to 135. The question is will he settle in at 147 or 140?

About time. Hopefully he has saved his money well. Guerrero was a tough out when he was younger, but he never quite good enough to be elite and has lived on Haymon Welfare -- otherwise known as the failing PBC -- for too long.

He was a good pro who could take a punch. Remember he had a lot of success as a featherweight and up in his earlier days.

[ggsimmonds]

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does floyd lose any credibility if he does not knock conor out? i mean, this is the man's first fight, for pete's sake. and how much respect does floyd actually give conor in the ring? conor hasn't earned it, to be honest. to the first question, i say yes. he SHOULD knock him out. plain and simple. second question, zero. it has been strange for floyd not to state the obvious that conor doesn't belong in the same ring with him. that's like conor facing a man with zero mma fights under his belt, conor could seriously hurt a newbie.

I'll answer a rephrased version of your question. For me, Floyd loses respect if the fight goes the distance.

Smartest boxer in history? Did history start in 1996?

Eh, this is entirely subjective so I wouldn't engage in a lengthy back to back on this, but I've lost count of the times a fight has started surprisingly close only for Floyd to figure the other guy out after round 4 or so. He is in the conversation as the best defensive fighter of all time. But he does it differently from other defensive greats like Sweet Pea and those that relied on godlike reactions and head movement. Floyd doesn't utilize head movement as much as one would expect. Because he knows the angles, he knows your next punch before you do.

Mayweather is still quicker than just about any fighter out there. He's FAR quicker than McGregor.

I think his experience and in ring intelligence makes him appear faster than he is right now. Either way you are right -- he is quicker than Conor. But how much quicker? 33 year old Floyd was a lot quicker than 40 year old Floyd, and a lot of times in sports the mind/ego lags behind the body. Meaning you are slower but you don't realize you are slower until you get tagged with a punch you previously would not have.

I don't think Floyd has the power, period. He hasn't knocked out anyone since the semi-sucker punch of Ortiz in 2011. McGregor has a solid beard and won't be KO'd. Maybe a TKO due to being drubbed with about 15 straight punches in a later round, but he won't be counted out of the ring.

Two reasons I disagree with this:
1. Perhaps equally responsible for Floyd's KO drought is his mindset. I think after fight 44 or 45 he became too enamored with his record and didn't let his hands fly out of fear. He was not going to risk himself getting tagged when he could potshot his way to a decision win. Not scared of the other guy, but scared of losing.

2. Conor has never boxed professionally in his life. His defense will be suspect. I've seen some of his fights and his training videos and that chin kind of hovers out there. Does Floyd have the power to KO a boxer with 20+ fights under his belt? Probably not. But he has the power to KO Conor.

3. This is a bonus but more of a clarification. Floyd has the power to KO Conor, but not the power to make a KO a strong possibility. If Floyd somehow decides his last fight he will give the fans what they want and let his hands go, and go for the KO, I would not bet on it happening. It would probably be 70-30 against a KO.

What should happen is a TKO in the middle rounds. If I didn't think this bout was a sham it would be my prediction -- Conor's corner throwing in the towel in the 5th round or so. Repeated crisp and accurate punches won't knock a guy out, but it will close his eye. Instead I think this fight will be more of a letdown than Manny vs Floyd.