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WOW! Rematch of Chavez and Vera!!!
WOW! Rematch of Chavez and Vera!!!
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So chavez wants GGG now? Man i hope that fight happens. A punching bag(chavez) vs a guy with a lot of talent but no notable fights in golovkin. This will finally give golovkin somewhat of a decent fight(i still think chavez is an overrated bum, but his size, chin and power could make it interesting). I would love to see what GGG does to chavez.Comment
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That's win-win for Chavez. Decent PPV payday and no one expects him to win.Comment
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Chavez come off as that guy who is working as a lawyer because his dad owns the law firm and threatened to "cut him off" if he didn't go into the family business. He doesn't look like he wants to be a boxer recently. Not sure what or why, but I doubt he ever reaches his "potential".
GGG would smoke him.Moderator
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I don't think Chavez is a "bum" by any stretch, but he gives that impression to fans because, as N51_rob points out:
Chavez lacks commitment. He can say whatever he wants, but all the fight this past weekend proves is that he is not committed to his career, because if he were, this rematch would not have been necessary. I mean, he missed the first Vera fight's weight limit by 15 pounds or something ridiculous, and didn't even make weight after the re-negotiated limit was upped. He clearly has a lot of natural talent and skill, but he basically doesn't care enough to maximize it, and I lost hope a long time ago that he ever will. I mean, the fact that he was probably 10 seconds away from knocking out Sergio Martinez while not training and smoking weed is Chavez Jr. in a nutshell - clear potential, completely unrealized.
In the end, my pet theory that no one that grows up with any sort of wealth or privelege can ever be a great boxer stands. Boxing is a sport of desperation, and only those born of truly desperate situations have the unrestrained hunger and complete lack of anything to lose to put themselves in harm's way for what amounts to pocket change, in exchange for an infinitessimal shot at some form of decent living. Chavez Jr. grew up rich. He isn't hungry. He has talent, but no desire. That can't be taught or drilled into you - if it isn't in you, it isn't in you. By the way, that's not a criticism - it's just an observation/opinion. If I grew up wealthy, there's no way in hell I'd subject myself to punishment and injury for any amount of additional wealth....
I'm not so sure GGG will be able to dust Chavez Jr. so easily. I agree it's definitely possible that Chavez could win. A 100% committed and focused Chavez, I think, I would even be willing to bet on (for the right odds), because he's been in with better competition, has better power than anyone GGG's fought, and has a hell of a jaw (although clearly that would be tested by GGG, even though S-Mart couldn't get him off his feet and he absolutely pummeled him for 11 rounds).
I think it's a very intruiging fight, I just don't trust Chavez to bring his 100% commitment, for the simple reason that he never has before, why would he start now? But it could be a fight of the year, with 2 action fighters with tons of power and skill, 2 big names, it would certainly be the most anticipated fight I've heard as a possibility this year. Until/unless Adonis Stevenson and Sergei Kovalev finally step into the ring together (unlikely this year, but still...).Comment
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Eh, i completely disagree with this. I don't think he has a lot of natural talent and skill. He has good attributes. Size, chin. But those aren't skills or talent. The main reason i call him a bum is because he's clearly a light heavyweight, who cuts weight to fight middleweights and rehydrates so he has a 20 pound weight advantage at least. He's an ok body puncher, but lets face it, his size is the main thing that keeps him afloat. He only rocked martinez because martinez chose to trade with a man who's a light heavy weight, while he himself is a middleweight. Not to mention martinez has bad knees and had to get knee surgeory after that fight. I don't think him hurting martinez once in a fight where he was thoroughly dominated shows he has some kind of hidden raw potential. And i'd venture to say if he moves up in weight and goes to his actual weight class, he would have a much harder time against guys he can't bully with his size. The only think i can say he has skill wise is being a good body puncher.Comment
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Doesn't just about every boxer walk around about two weight classes bigger than what they fight at?Moderator
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No not every fighter. And walking around weight and fighting weight are 2 different things. The point is that chavez relies on having a huge weight advantage because he's a light heavy shrinking down to middleweight so he can bully around smaller guys.Comment
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Chavez is big, has an iron chin, good power, better power to the body.
I wanted him to lose bad to Sergio, but I saw some glimpses of a threat to Martinez at brief points during the fight. And then there was the last round. You wonder how he would have fared if he took his conditioning as serious as he did his smoke breaks.Comment
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I agree that a lot of Chavez Jr.'s wins come from simply being the far bigger man in the ring, and he almost always has a functional weight-class advantage over his opponent on fight night. I criticized Canelo for this for years, and that turned out to be potentially correct (i.e. he just wins fights because he's 15-lbs bigger on fight night). Having said that, I do think Chavez has a lot of natural talent - he moves decently for his size, has good feet (when he's in shape), throws accurate and hard punches, and throws good combinations. He just looks at ease in the ring, which I generally interpret as having good skills. He does complain to the refs way too much for my liking, though, and he has to develop some kind of head movement or defense aside from blocking punches with his face if he is ever going to take the next step. But I don't think he's purely a product of being the bigger guy in the ring on any given night.
Also, this is neither here nor there, but didn't Martinez hurt his knee after he was knocked down by Chavez in the 12th? I thought the injury was from falling awkwardly while being essentially knocked out on his feet. I never felt like S-Mart got enough credit for summoning the will to finish that fight on his feet (which is a weird thing to give credit for, but still) - 99.9% of guys get knocked out cold there. Which would have been one of the most dramatic endings to a fight ever, by the way...Comment
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Yeah, you are right on Floyd. I remember meeting Lamont Peterson at a promotional event a few weeks after he beat Khan and he made a joke about how he could go after the 154 belt today and how he just wished his "power" carried over to 154. So no not every boxer, but I think many of them walk around when not training heavier than what they fight at.
Not a great sample size I know.Moderator
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I would say those are probably the exceptions, though, right?. My un-researched and un-scientific impression is that just about everyone else fights at least 1-2 weight classes below their "walking around" weight, hence the constant chatter about 'making weight', 're-hydrating up to (such-and-such) weight', and the nearly ubiquitous 10-15 lb differential between weigh-in and fight-night that almost everyone I see fight has. I can't remember the last time I saw a fight where the participants weighed anywhere near what they weighed-in officially at (those 2 you mention excepted).Comment
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