Boxing Off-Topic

[steelcityjames]

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What if Ali won the first fight against Frazier....

[ubernoob]

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Your right my man I hate what’s going on but if I’m a boxer able to make millions by just sparring and carrying a YouTube celebrity for a fight I’m in! The problem is casual fans are buying these fights and the boxing game itself is nothing but boxers looking to make a big payday rather than chase legacy and greatness!! Fans are tired of waiting for a Spence vs Crawford fight and these exhibitions are filling that casual void! I just saw that Paul vs Woodley match on
YouTube it was awful!! Woodley is a horrible boxer and his feet are cement!! Paul is on a golden glove amateur level!! And the fight was boring and devoid of skill! But someone paid top dollar for it and will do it again!! This is the second time I think a Paul fight was rigged Woodley did nothing to actually press and hurt Paul and I'm noticing every time they got close Woodley just stood up and allowed himself to be clutched sort of like the Maywearher fight!! Im also noticing that Woodley really aint talking much and something tells me there is going to be a rematch in this screenplay.. You can tell when Woodley really timed him and shot that counter right it landed evry time but he mysteriously stopped doing it after he hurt Paul

That's how Woodley has fought ever since he won the belt in UFC. He was the most supremely frustrating fighter to watch, because you knew the talent was there. But as soon as he got that belt, his fight style completely changed and he started refusing to throw.

It was par for the course for him in terms of fighting. Paul will want nothing of a rematch unless Woodley goes off and actually wins a fight. He got his use out of him, his search for his next opponent started well before the Woodley fight even began. I don't even think he's on a gold gloves amateur level but I can see it.

What he does have is the business sense and people in his corner that pick the perfect opponents for him. Everyone knew he would beat him there, Askren is a joke and would lose a boxing fight to a toddler that had 2 lessons.

Woodley was seen as a presumptive "step up" but he went into the fight knowing he wasn't ever in any danger, exactly because of who Woodley is and how he fights.

He's getting to the territory where he's going to have to try to get a name like Nate Diaz or Masvidal wanting a payday to see where he goes from there. Moving up the MMA tiers of striking as they move over for a quick boxing payday and try to win.

[allBthere]

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So, randomly I felt like searching fight of the year around when I was born (1981) and I watched a few fights in surrounding years and especially 1982 I saw Bobby freaking Chacon... never seen those fights before but OMG lol, it's more like a movie than a darn movie! I loved everything about it including the crowd and lights and arena etc, the sounds - it's AMAZING - what a place to be back then! The action in the ring is incredible and almost hard to believe - all the way including the 15th round - absolutely bananas

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[edaddy]

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What if Ali won the first fight against Frazier....

They probably would've fought a rematch with Frazier claiming he was robbed!! Lol but make no mistake both weren't right after that first fight !! I still wonder how Frazier took all that punishment and how Ali got up from that perfect hook!!!In terms of chin and recuperative powers Ali was definently the greatest

[steelcityjames]

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Right on! Ali got up from that left hook and Frazier showed his chin all night as well. Ali landed some bombs that would have rocked just about anyone, but Joe didn't even wobble. "What if" Ali had won that fight? Well Joe definitely would have felt robbed and it would have been interesting to see if that would have changed his approach at all in the rematch. "What ifs" are always fun to talk about in boxing. The list of different scenarios and possibilities throughout boxing history is endless

They probably would've fought a rematch with Frazier claiming he was robbed!! Lol but make no mistake both weren't right after that first fight !! I still wonder how Frazier took all that punishment and how Ali got up from that perfect hook!!!In terms of chin and recuperative powers Ali was definently the greatest

[bigbob]

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Name some "What if...?" scenarios in boxing.

What if Cus D'Amato had not died when he did and lived another ten, 15-years. I see Mike Tyson's career and life playing out a lot differently.

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[steelcityjames]

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What if Foreman beats Ali in Zaire? Foreman probably holds the title for a good while and retires alot later than he did and with alot more money. So, more than likely, there wouldn't have been a "2nd boxing career" for him, therefore Foreman vs Holyfield and Foreman vs Moorer never would have happened

Name some "What if...?" scenarios in boxing.

[Money99]

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Belfort KOs Holyfield in RD1.
Good thing Tyson didn't fight him.
Holyfield would be dead right now.

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[steelcityjames]

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Boxing has become nothing but a carnival side show....as a lifelong fan of the sport it is very, VERY sad to see

[sheredia]

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Boxing has become nothing but a carnival side show....as a lifelong fan of the sport it is very, VERY sad to see

exactly....when jake paul replaces mayweather as ppv king, that says something. he is basically using floyd's blueprint and hand picking opponents with fans just wanting him to get beat. he's selecting non-boxers and mma fighters out of their prime too. belfort looks like a decent matchup but belfort beat an old man, however belfort looks game and might be a step up from woodley. woodley wobbled paul too. but it's only fitting floyd got in on the action and made some money off of this guy. belfort called him out, so we'll see. maybe the winner fights oscar, either way once paul loses, his boxing career is done.

[edaddy]

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exactly....when jake paul replaces mayweather as ppv king, that says something. he is basically using floyd's blueprint and hand picking opponents with fans just wanting him to get beat. he's selecting non-boxers and mma fighters out of their prime too. belfort looks like a decent matchup but belfort beat an old man, however belfort looks game and might be a step up from woodley. woodley wobbled paul too. but it's only fitting floyd got in on the action and made some money off of this guy. belfort called him out, so we'll see. maybe the winner fights oscar, either way once paul loses, his boxing career is done.

I’m of the mindset that these Paul latest fights are nothing more than wwe fights complete with a storyline and predetermined outcome!! Boring as these fights are they both followed the same pattern of a sparring session for Ppv with an agreement to let up if they get hurt!! It still amazes me that people actually pay to watch them fight!!

[edaddy]

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Boxing has become nothing but a carnival side show....as a lifelong fan of the sport it is very, VERY sad to see

It’s nobody’s fault but boxing itself!! They have gotten to the point where everything is about money and the days of actually building up fighters through tv is few and far between!! You have champions that won’t fight each other promoters that are greedy and now every fight is a Ppv fight even the worst tv worthy fights!!those exhibitions opened up a Pandora’s box and that’s why people will pay to see a 60 yr old Holyfield get knocked out in a minute!! It’s sad and to see a once great champion like that desperate for money and attention is horrible

[pietasterp]

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Boxing is going to have to burn to the ground and go to absolute zero before there can be any redemption or rebuilding of the sport. But it has to be rebuilt from the ground up; there's no salvaging the sport in its current form.

[edaddy]

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Boxing is going to have to burn to the ground and go to absolute zero before there can be any redemption or rebuilding of the sport. But it has to be rebuilt from the ground up; there's no salvaging the sport in its current form.

At one point when pac jumped in it was back on its way we had great fights on tv weekly fights on tv and they were building and branding boxers!! Then this ppv boom started and you regular contenders on ppv headliners demanding premium money!! Then the boxers that were built up become champions and milk their championships fighting b level opponents on ppv!! Now we have these exhibitions that’s taking the casuals attention and money!!! At one time there were some super fights on tv through pbc but they like everyone else hopped on this money train!!it’s sad and I always said a great match between champions on regular tv will draw some great ratings!! The Paul’s mayweathers mcgregors of the sport have turned this into a live clown show!!!

[steelcityjames]

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Exactly right. The biggest names and the best of the best rarely fight each other anymore, especially since the PPV boom. In my opinion this is what started the decline of the sport. We are now REALLY seeing the results. YouTubers and has-beens fighting on PPV and getting way more publicity than an actual title fight between a champion and his hand-picked opponent. It sucks and I don't see it changing for the better any time soon.

It’s nobody’s fault but boxing itself!! They have gotten to the point where everything is about money and the days of actually building up fighters through tv is few and far between!! You have champions that won’t fight each other promoters that are greedy and now every fight is a Ppv fight even the worst tv worthy fights!!those exhibitions opened up a Pandora’s box and that’s why people will pay to see a 60 yr old Holyfield get knocked out in a minute!! It’s sad and to see a once great champion like that desperate for money and attention is horrible