Outside/point fighting or movement in general?

[aholbert32]

Re: Outside/point fighting or movement in general?

Why is that needed? If you just walk at an angle you can cut them off

Are you on xbox btw? I wanted to show you what I found

I'm not on Xbox. I'm on ps4.

Let me be clear. I'm not saying that the team isnt willing to add a more effective circle out animation. I'm not even saying that it wouldnt consider a 180 circle out animation. I'm not even saying that GPD isnt cooking up movement changes in the future.

I'm saying that a full 180 animation without any other changes to movement could be potentially OP depending on the fighter. I dont think currently walking at an angle would successfully stop that animation against someone with a high footwork stat. I could be wrong.

[Phillyboi207]

Re: Outside/point fighting or movement in general?

I'm not on Xbox. I'm on ps4.

Let me be clear. I'm not saying that the team isnt willing to add a more effective circle out animation. I'm not even saying that it wouldnt consider a 180 circle out animation. I'm not even saying that GPD isnt cooking up movement changes in the future.

I'm saying that a full 180 animation without any other changes to movement could be potentially OP depending on the fighter. I dont think currently walking at an angle would successfully stop that animation against someone with a high footwork stat. I could be wrong.

The question is “should it?”

When has Cruz, Wonderboy, Edgar ever been pinned against the fence?

[1212headkick]

Re: Outside/point fighting or movement in general?

I'm not on Xbox. I'm on ps4.

Let me be clear. I'm not saying that the team isnt willing to add a more effective circle out animation. I'm not even saying that it wouldnt consider a 180 circle out animation. I'm not even saying that GPD isnt cooking up movement changes in the future.

I'm saying that a full 180 animation without any other changes to movement could be potentially OP depending on the fighter. I dont think currently walking at an angle would successfully stop that animation against someone with a high footwork stat. I could be wrong.

i gave you the solution. slower startup frames and increased vulnerability upon completing the movement. if its not 180 degrees its not realistic. this coming from a tae kwon do and boxing backround

[1212headkick]

Re: Outside/point fighting or movement in general?

I'm not on Xbox. I'm on ps4.

Let me be clear. I'm not saying that the team isnt willing to add a more effective circle out animation. I'm not even saying that it wouldnt consider a 180 circle out animation. I'm not even saying that GPD isnt cooking up movement changes in the future.

I'm saying that a full 180 animation without any other changes to movement could be potentially OP depending on the fighter. I dont think currently walking at an angle would successfully stop that animation against someone with a high footwork stat. I could be wrong.

your wrong because you have no martial arts experience. as an outside fighter your taught two very basic things - strrike and circle. i should be able to do both left and right and be punished for circling predictably

[aholbert32]

Re: Outside/point fighting or movement in general?

The question is “should it?”

When has Cruz, Wonderboy, Edgar ever been pinned against the fence?

Thats a good question. This is more of a skills vs. realism question. From a realism perspective, I agree completely.

From a skills persepctive, I have a question. Should an average player like me be able to easily circle completely out against a higher skilled pressure fighter simply because I have Edgar and he has someone with slighty lower (2-3 points) footwork? Or should a pressure fighter some additional tools to cut off the cage? Do you think pressure fighters currently have enough tools that even if 180 circling was added, the player would still be able to occasionally cut off the cage?

FYI, glad to see you back man. We need more people like you who can have a spirited discussion without getting personal.

[Ksearyback]

Re: Outside/point fighting or movement in general?

Two videos provide the really basic movement scheme to get the circling out effect. The 180 reference many times is really a 90 degree pivot, and obviously two get the 180 Mr Headkick is referring to.

Also, just to add on to this, circling out with fundamental boxing footwork isn't just defensive. This is how angles are created. I added the second video showing how the 90 degree framework is applied by Lomechenko, who is as good as it gets for angles today.

Apologies for the links. Just figured if everyone looked at this, maybe the conversation moves beyond explaining the fundamental movement.

https://youtu.be/0EeT7OvkDn8

https://youtu.be/WaTaC17zWlU

[1212headkick]

Re: Outside/point fighting or movement in general?

Two videos provide the really basic movement scheme to get the circling out effect. The 180 reference many times is really a 90 degree pivot, and obviously two get the 180 Mr Headkick is referring to.

Also, just to add on to this, circling out with fundamental boxing footwork isn't just defensive. This is how angles are created. I added the second video showing how the 90 degree framework is applied by Lomechenko, who is as good as it gets for angles today.

Apologies for the links. Just figured if everyone looked at this, maybe the conversation moves beyond explaining the fundamental movement.

https://youtu.be/0EeT7OvkDn8

https://youtu.be/WaTaC17zWlU

not just a 90 degree pivot but the ability to jog in a 180 degree angle and reset. go watch the 4th and fifth rds of gus vs jones for better visual but what your saying is needed to only is more useful in shorter ranges

[Ksearyback]

Re: Outside/point fighting or movement in general?

Thats a good question. This is more of a skills vs. realism question. From a realism perspective, I agree completely.

From a skills persepctive, I have a question. Should an average player like me be able to easily circle completely out against a higher skilled pressure fighter simply because I have Edgar and he has someone with slighty lower (2-3 points) footwork? Or should a pressure fighter some additional tools to cut off the cage? Do you think pressure fighters currently have enough tools that even if 180 circling was added, the player would still be able to occasionally cut off the cage?

FYI, glad to see you back man. We need more people like you who can have a spirited discussion without getting personal.

From a skills perspective all characters should be able to circle, yes. It's a basic movement. Some are better than others, just like all other movements in the game.

Pressure fighters will be able to be pressure fighters, just like in real life. They will need to actually understand how to cut off the ring, and when tight it's a combination of footwork and using punches to corral the opponent (i.e., block them from circling out).

Circling out isn't a guaranteed movement. So it can be effective when used in the right space, timing while balanced by the opponents ability to cut angles and punch them into the space where they want to fight.

Are we debating something that has no chance of being implemented? Lots of effort, if so.

[Ksearyback]

Re: Outside/point fighting or movement in general?

not just a 90 degree pivot but the ability to jog in a 180 degree angle and reset. go watch the 4th and fifth rds of gus vs jones for better visual

Short of taking the time to find and watch that... are we, then, talking about different movements entirely? If so, then it's time to go bang my head against a wall

[1212headkick]

Re: Outside/point fighting or movement in general?

also your taught to circle torwards your rear leg

[1212headkick]

Re: Outside/point fighting or movement in general?

Short of taking the time to find and watch that... are we, then, talking about different movements entirely? If so, then it's time to go bang my head against a wall

yes but his movement you either jog or shuffle torwards rear leg examples were given in johnmagalas post

[aholbert32]

Re: Outside/point fighting or movement in general?

Two videos provide the really basic movement scheme to get the circling out effect. The 180 reference many times is really a 90 degree pivot, and obviously two get the 180 Mr Headkick is referring to.

Also, just to add on to this, circling out with fundamental boxing footwork isn't just defensive. This is how angles are created. I added the second video showing how the 90 degree framework is applied by Lomechenko, who is as good as it gets for angles today.

Apologies for the links. Just figured if everyone looked at this, maybe the conversation moves beyond explaining the fundamental movement.

https://youtu.be/0EeT7OvkDn8

https://youtu.be/WaTaC17zWlU

This is great. I was thinking more of a 90 degree turn and making it easier to chain two to get you completely out.

[aholbert32]

Re: Outside/point fighting or movement in general?

From a skills perspective all characters should be able to circle, yes. It's a basic movement. Some are better than others, just like all other movements in the game.

Pressure fighters will be able to be pressure fighters, just like in real life. They will need to actually understand how to cut off the ring, and when tight it's a combination of footwork and using punches to corral the opponent (i.e., block them from circling out).

Circling out isn't a guaranteed movement. So it can be effective when used in the right space, timing while balanced by the opponents ability to cut angles and punch them into the space where they want to fight.

Are we debating something that has no chance of being implemented? Lots of effort, if so.

I cant talk about anything definitively other than to say that GPD is aware of the movement complaints and its something the devs may look at down the line.

[Ksearyback]

Re: Outside/point fighting or movement in general?

also your taught to circle torwards your rear leg

This is going way down the rabbit hole here. I dont know about karate, but boxing you circle both directions. Generally you want to circle away from opponents power hand. But whatever

[Phillyboi207]

Re: Outside/point fighting or movement in general?

Thats a good question. This is more of a skills vs. realism question. From a realism perspective, I agree completely.

From a skills persepctive, I have a question. Should an average player like me be able to easily circle completely out against a higher skilled pressure fighter simply because I have Edgar and he has someone with slighty lower (2-3 points) footwork? Or should a pressure fighter some additional tools to cut off the cage? Do you think pressure fighters currently have enough tools that even if 180 circling was added, the player would still be able to occasionally cut off the cage?

FYI, glad to see you back man. We need more people like you who can have a spirited discussion without getting personal.

I think the answer is a resounding yes

An average fighter can knock a better player silly using Connor or out grapple a better fighting using Khabib. Why is having the movement ratings more impactful an issue?

And yeah i decided to try the patch and discovered a way to create distance. That got me into playing again. Im honestly a bit scared to post a video of it because Im worried it’ll get nerfed. At this point im convinced the majority want rock em sock em robots gameplay.