Combo Spam

[RetractedMonkey]

Re: Combo Spam

Legit question, why should accelerated clock result in more strikes? I'm genuinely curious about your line of reasoning.



I think we just have different interests, I want a sim experience where fighters are throwing accurate volumes of strikes, you don't, that's fine. But for me personally, it is an issue, not because it's OP or too hard to counter or whatever, but because it's unrealistic and realism is important to me.

The accelerated clock gives you less time to work, so you should be able to work more in that time.

Your last point is totally acceptable. That just comes down to personal preference. My beef is with people saying that this is destroying the game and that it’s hard to deal with. It absolutely is not.


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[MaccaC]

Re: Combo Spam

Legit question, why should accelerated clock result in more strikes? I'm genuinely curious about your line of reasoning.

I think we just have different interests, I want a sim experience where fighters are throwing accurate volumes of strikes, you don't, that's fine. But for me personally, it is an issue, not because it's OP or too hard to counter or whatever, but because it's unrealistic and realism is important to me.

You want sim where it suits you, you want simulated strikes and headmovement because you probably struggle to deal with it, do you want sim for when Demian maia takes you down and sits on your head for three rounds with no way of answeing it? you might so you do here but the reality is a lot different, simulation is about as far from fun as you can get you just think its better.

[Nugget7211]

Re: Combo Spam

The accelerated clock gives you less time to work, so you should be able to work more in that time.

Your last point is totally acceptable. That just comes down to personal preference. My beef is with people saying that this is destroying the game and that it’s hard to deal with. It absolutely is not.


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Oh okay, a correction to my comment about Garbrandt's pace then (I was calculating it using real minutes, not accelerated clock minutes) you were actually fighting at over 3 times the highest pace Garbrandt has ever fought at in his actual career, and I'm sure you can understand that being annoying as a sim player.

[RetractedMonkey]

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Also, you CANNOT have a simulation experience with half time rounds. You guys are trying to base a sim style gameplay tweak off an inherently arcade system. Your baseline for changes should be appealing for real time clock to be the main setting.

The fact that none of you have identified that shows how off base you are.

[Nugget7211]

Re: Combo Spam

You want sim where it suits you, you want simulated strikes and headmovement because you probably struggle to deal with it, do you want sim for when Demian maia takes you down and sits on your head for three rounds with no way of answeing it? you might so you do here but the reality is a lot different, simulation is about as far from fun as you can get you just think its better.

Don't tell me what is and isn't fun. Fun is an entirely subjective metric, I might enjoy something you hate, you might enjoy something I hate. I enjoy sim games generally, I enjoy MMA, I am pretty confident I would enjoy a sim MMA game.

[Boiler569]

Re: Combo Spam

I should have recorded the Woodley fight where he threw 140 strikes (60+ sig) in the first round and had 90%+ stamina coming into round 2.

I landed at least 5 body kicks on him; a few more hooks to the liver for good measure; and at least 3 step-backs. He was also using head movement.

That's a bit too much "Video Game" and not enough "Sim" for me.

I was able to win because I gittd gud at countering the spam, wore him out over 3 and a half rounds, and finished him. But it was pretty dumb, and in 3-round fights especially, can be very very hard to win on the scorecards against super pressure fighters.

Which is true in real life, yes, but it's just over the top here. You really won't start seeing really bad stamina drain til end of 2nd/start of 3rd and by then you may be down 2 rounds to 0 unless you've gotten a knockdown or two.

The new head movement stamina tax does help at least.

At the 140+ strike/round pace --- and working the body of him --- I would like to see Woodley come out to round 2 with ~80% stam rather than 90%.

If he continued that pace all of round 2, and still work his body and make him whiff, I'd like to see him ~65% stam to start round 3.

Currently it's more like 75%+ in round 3.

[MaccaC]

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Don't tell me what is and isn't fun. Fun is an entirely subjective metric, I might enjoy something you hate, you might enjoy something I hate. I enjoy sim games generally, I enjoy MMA, I am pretty confident I would enjoy a sim MMA game.

Name me three simulation games you like, I guarentee there isn't a sports or fighting game among them, I'll give you time to google.

Fun is a subjective metric, some people probably find watching paint dry fun they also happen to be located mainly in asylums.

[Nugget7211]

Re: Combo Spam

Also, you CANNOT have a simulation experience with half time rounds. You guys are trying to base a sim style gameplay tweak off an inherently arcade system. Your baseline for changes should be appealing for real time clock to be the main setting.

The fact that none of you have identified that shows how off base you are.

Did I ever say I don't want that? I'd be fine with that, I'm also pretty confident that it'll never happen so I don't ask for it. If we can get realistic strike numbers at accelerated clock, it'll stop the strike numbers being utterly absurd on real time clock.

[ryangil23]

Re: Combo Spam

If we aren't interested in realism in this case then why bother at all? If Romero for example can throw 150 strikes a round without gassing then what else should we do because it's only a game? Why not give everyone near impossible takedown defence since it's only a game and nobody wants any of that grappling stuff. We just want to throw hundreds of punches.

[Boiler569]

Re: Combo Spam

Also, you CANNOT have a simulation experience with half time rounds. You guys are trying to base a sim style gameplay tweak off an inherently arcade system. Your baseline for changes should be appealing for real time clock to be the main setting.

The fact that none of you have identified that shows how off base you are.

Dude we can't even get a 10% increase in stam tax for missed strikes, you think they're going to turn ranked to Real Time Clock???

LMAO get outta here.

Just b/c we don't bring up that as a possibility doesn't mean we don't want it. We're going for a Single here not a Grand Slam. Doesn't mean we are off-base or haven't considered it.

I've actually mentioned that in threads in the past btw

[RetractedMonkey]

Re: Combo Spam

Did I ever say I don't want that? I'd be fine with that, I'm also pretty confident that it'll never happen so I don't ask for it. If we can get realistic strike numbers at accelerated clock, it'll stop the strike numbers being utterly absurd on real time clock.

You're stepping deep into a discussion where I'm addressing multiple people and thinking it's about you specifically. That's an error.

Which brings me to another issue with the "combo spam" movement. None of you have a singular complaint. You all want different things. Head movement was pretty universal: more vulnerability, stamina tax.

This is quite indicative of the subjective nature of wanting combo "spam" changed. Because it isn't truly a gameplay meta problem. It's a personal taste issue. Those should be heard and looked at, but it doesn't mean we should be making decisions based off of them.

[Boiler569]

Re: Combo Spam

You're stepping deep into a discussion where I'm addressing multiple people and thinking it's about you specifically. That's an error.

Which brings me to another issue with the "combo spam" movement. None of you have a singular complaint. You all want different things. Head movement was pretty universal: more vulnerability, stamina tax.

This is quite indicative of the subjective nature of wanting combo "spam" changed. Because it isn't truly a gameplay meta problem. It's a personal taste issue. Those should be heard and looked at, but it doesn't mean we should be making decisions based off of them.

75% of the community --- including several 'high level legit players' --- voted for increased stamina tax

https://forums.operationsports.com/f...highlight=poll

The exact solution may not be as easy to identify as head movement --- doesn't mean a solution isn't necessary or worth discussing.

[Nugget7211]

Re: Combo Spam

You're stepping deep into a discussion where I'm addressing multiple people and thinking it's about you specifically. That's an error.

Which brings me to another issue with the "combo spam" movement. None of you have a singular complaint. You all want different things. Head movement was pretty universal: more vulnerability, stamina tax.

This is quite indicative of the subjective nature of wanting combo "spam" changed. Because it isn't truly a gameplay meta problem. It's a personal taste issue. Those should be heard and looked at, but it doesn't mean we should be making decisions based off of them.

You're correct, that was my mistake. Your use of the word also caused me to stick it as an additional paragraph onto your previous comment, which was addressed to me, my apologies for jumping to a pretty weird conclusion.

[Zeta Reticulan1]

Re: Combo Spam

75% of the community --- including several 'high level legit players' --- voted for increased stamina tax

https://forums.operationsports.com/f...highlight=poll

The exact solution may not be as easy to identify as head movement --- doesn't mean a solution isn't necessary or worth discussing.

I thought he was on most people's ignore list by now.

[Boiler569]

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I thought he was on most people's ignore list by now.

lol naw I don't ignore anyone I like hearing all the angles, and I've had a couple good fights w/ him back on Xbox 10-hour trial or whatever so I know he's cool Just really wants to defend combos....which is OK I like combos myself too, and I want there to be action

I just want a bit more stamina tax for missed/blocked strikes is all