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  • Good Grappler
    Pro
    • May 2018
    • 615

    #1

    Quitting shouldn’t cost 30 points

    If I want to quit and take an L, why is that a problem? My opponent still gets the W, and I still get the L. If someone reaches a point in a game where they feel winning is no longer a possibility, why should they have to sit through another two or three rounds?

    It’s not like quitting the game somehow cheats your opponent out of a win. It makes no sense why quitting a game results in a 30 point penalty.

    If someone quits on the ground, it should result in a “tapping” animation, with the result being a submission. If someone quits on the feet, it should show the fighter wave off the contest in shame (crowd booing), with the result being a verbal submission. If someone quits between rounds, it should result in a TKO by retirement.

    Who the hell wants to sit through two rounds of slowly obtaining that L, when you’re down three rounds, low on stamina, and facing someone who isn’t looking for a finish.
    Last edited by Good Grappler; 12-26-2018, 04:45 PM.
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  • Reinfarcements
    Pro
    • Nov 2017
    • 633

    #2
    Re: Quitting shouldn’t cost 30 points

    Because the game is supposed to represent MMA, and in MMA you don't get a sudden pop-up in the middle of the action that says your opponent quit. (Edit: and its a pretty rare thing to see a fighter quit mid-fight, it would happen all the time in the game) Also you are potentially taking away your opponents desired stats (maybe they want more KOs or Submissions on their record).

    The only way I could see quitting being allowed without penalty is if you do it between rounds and they have a cut-scene and everything showing your fighter throwing in the towel. But again that kinda sucks for people who care about their stats a lot.

    Also its fun to KO people. If everyone started quitting before they got KOed it would suck.
    Last edited by Reinfarcements; 12-26-2018, 04:47 PM.

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    • bmlimo
      MVP
      • Apr 2016
      • 1123

      #3
      Re: Quitting shouldn’t cost 30 points

      Originally posted by Good Grappler
      If I want to quit and take an L, why is that a problem? My opponent still gets the W, and I still get the L. If someone reaches a point in a game where they feel winning is no longer a possibility, why should they have to sit through another two or three rounds?

      It’s not like quitting the game somehow cheats your opponent out of a win. It makes no sense why quitting a game results in a 30 point penalty.

      If someone quits on the ground, it should result in a “tapping” animation, with the result being a submission. If someone quits on the feet, it should show the fighter wave off the contest in shame (crowd booing), with the result being a verbal submission. If someone quits between rounds, it should result in a TKO by retirement.

      Who the hell wants to sit through two rounds of slowly obtaining that L, when you’re down three rounds, low on stamina, and facing someone who isn’t looking for a finish.
      Agree, should be 60 or more...

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      • bmlimo
        MVP
        • Apr 2016
        • 1123

        #4
        Re: Quitting shouldn’t cost 30 points

        What I think is unfair it’s when the game freeze between rounds and stay in that white screen... I always lose by dnf when I quit that screen

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        • HereticFighter
          Rookie
          • May 2018
          • 421

          #5
          Re: Quitting shouldn’t cost 30 points

          Here is my problem with the 30 points or whatever it is; The people being penalized the most are actually everyone other than the rage quitter, here's why:

          Some guys that rage quit aren't even that bad players, they just get caught cause they're lazy or from my experience, are just impatient and keep opening themselves up to stupid ****. That means that they are losing tons of points from quitting all the time. So mostly they just probably crush people who have no business fighting them. So now low level guys are getting beat by these guys badly, and probably constantly instead of actually getting matched up with people who's score represents their ability, affecting their enjoyment.

          Secondly, when you get matched with them, and finally defeat their cheezy spammer BS, you'll get basically no points as a higher ranked fighter. Now he gets to just keep crushing lower ranked fighters.

          Who is really being punished with this system?

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          • Tyeanisbae
            Rookie
            • Jul 2018
            • 128

            #6
            Re: Quitting shouldn’t cost 30 points

            Originally posted by HereticFighter
            Here is my problem with the 30 points or whatever it is; The people being penalized the most are actually everyone other than the rage quitter, here's why:

            Some guys that rage quit aren't even that bad players, they just get caught cause they're lazy or from my experience, are just impatient and keep opening themselves up to stupid ****. That means that they are losing tons of points from quitting all the time. So mostly they just probably crush people who have no business fighting them. So now low level guys are getting beat by these guys badly, and probably constantly instead of actually getting matched up with people who's score represents their ability, affecting their enjoyment.

            Secondly, when you get matched with them, and finally defeat their cheezy spammer BS, you'll get basically no points as a higher ranked fighter. Now he gets to just keep crushing lower ranked fighters.

            Who is really being punished with this system?
            As a person who occasionally quits a bunch when he gets irritated towards the end of the season so he can **** on division 4 players I can relate to this lol honestly if it was like rainbow 6 where you get a 15 minute ban from ranked instead of a point deduction it would be better.

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            • HereticFighter
              Rookie
              • May 2018
              • 421

              #7
              Re: Quitting shouldn’t cost 30 points

              Originally posted by Tyeanisbae
              As a person who occasionally quits a bunch when he gets irritated towards the end of the season so he can **** on division 4 players I can relate to this lol honestly if it was like rainbow 6 where you get a 15 minute ban from ranked instead of a point deduction it would be better.
              this would probably be more balanced.

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              • Papadoc60
                Rookie
                • Jun 2017
                • 393

                #8
                Re: Quitting shouldn’t cost 30 points

                Just let them KO you and it'll be over, that's what I do on my alt if a fight is unwinnable from my POV

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                • ragreynolds
                  Rookie
                  • Sep 2017
                  • 264

                  #9
                  Re: Quitting shouldn’t cost 30 points

                  Quitting means that your opponent gets fewer points for their win. It also means they can't see the replay of the fight/finish. It also means that the fight goes on their record as DNF.

                  If you really want to give up and have the fight be done with, then just let yourself get knocked out. No need to quit. People who back out mid-match should not be playing online with other people, it ruins the experience.

                  If quitting is to be an accepted method of ending a fight, then the person who quits SHOULD lose more points than via any other method of defeat. If you got fewer points, then everyone would just quit the minute they thought that they were going to lose, because that way they would never lose many points. The fight should also be marked as a submission win, and the person who doesn't quit should get a normal number of points after winning as they would in any other fight.

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                  • HereticFighter
                    Rookie
                    • May 2018
                    • 421

                    #10
                    Re: Quitting shouldn’t cost 30 points

                    Originally posted by ragreynolds
                    Quitting means that your opponent gets fewer points for their win. It also means they can't see the replay of the fight/finish. It also means that the fight goes on their record as DNF.

                    If you really want to give up and have the fight be done with, then just let yourself get knocked out. No need to quit. People who back out mid-match should not be playing online with other people, it ruins the experience.

                    If quitting is to be an accepted method of ending a fight, then the person who quits SHOULD lose more points than via any other method of defeat. If you got fewer points, then everyone would just quit the minute they thought that they were going to lose, because that way they would never lose many points. The fight should also be marked as a submission win, and the person who doesn't quit should get a normal number of points after winning as they would in any other fight.
                    See the problem isn't that you get low points cause they quit. You get low points because they rage quit all the time and have a very low score, and thats because it takes that many points for a DNF. I just think the 15 min ban is probably better for everyone than the large points loss, because you might still get the same amount of points if they weren't that ****ty but just a quitter.

                    Should be a sub on the ground tko on the feet. EZ.

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                    • Evil97
                      MVP
                      • Apr 2016
                      • 1099

                      #11
                      Re: Quitting shouldn’t cost 30 points

                      Originally posted by HereticFighter
                      See the problem isn't that you get low points cause they quit. You get low points because they rage quit all the time and have a very low score, and thats because it takes that many points for a DNF. I just think the 15 min ban is probably better for everyone than the large points loss, because you might still get the same amount of points if they weren't that ****ty but just a quitter.

                      Should be a sub on the ground tko on the feet. EZ.
                      It should scale that resets each day.. Like 3-5 min for the first DNF of the day. 5-10 for the next. Ect.. That way you aren't penalized too much if you have a random internet outage or get DDOSed.

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                      • TheGentlemanGhost
                        MVP
                        • Jun 2016
                        • 1321

                        #12
                        Re: Quitting shouldn’t cost 30 points

                        Man, I don't understand quitting at all. I just had a fight last night that started terribly. Missed a kick and got body shot countered which instantly took a good chunk of my stamina in the opening seconds and it was all downhill from there. I still tried and almost got the upset, just man up fellas, lol. It's not that important unless you got places to suddenly be.

                        Hell, you can still rock or ko people even when you're rocked or got your stamina depleted in this game anyway, with or without the vengeful perk.

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                        • HereticFighter
                          Rookie
                          • May 2018
                          • 421

                          #13
                          Re: Quitting shouldn’t cost 30 points

                          Originally posted by TheGentlemanGhost
                          Man, I don't understand quitting at all. I just had a fight last night that started terribly. Missed a kick and got body shot countered which instantly took a good chunk of my stamina in the opening seconds and it was all downhill from there. I still tried and almost got the upset, just man up fellas, lol. It's not that important unless you got places to suddenly be.

                          Hell, you can still rock or ko people even when you're rocked or got your stamina depleted in this game anyway, with or without the vengeful perk.

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                          I had a fight yesterday, GSP vs Nick Diaz. I'm GSP, round 1 the guy just spams jab jab, jab hook, jab upper, over and over and over. So i just moved around, landed some counters and used head movement and lunges to avoid. At the end of round 1 I stunned him 2 times and he had maybe 65% stamina left. As soon as the round ended he quit. I laughed so hard.

                          I've had guys take me down, i block 2 transitions and they quit. I just find it so funny I don't get why people are so upset except that the game doesn't track the finish properly.

                          Most of the replays, honestly look terrible so i'm less concerned with losing that. Though i had an amazing finish a few days ago that looked like the guy got hit by a shotgun blast from a perfect headkick. I miss the UFC 2 sliding head kick KO's, man those looked insane lol.

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                          • Good Grappler
                            Pro
                            • May 2018
                            • 615

                            #14
                            Re: Quitting shouldn’t cost 30 points

                            You guys are missing the point entirely.

                            The argument about it being “unrealistic” is invalid. In real life, there are fans to please. Tickets to sell. Quitting would not only tarnish your legacy, but deprive the fans and kill your drawing power.

                            In a videogame, all you play for is the W, because there are no fans to entertain. So quitting doesn’t negatively impact anyone. If your opponent says “I’m done” and forfeits the match, all it does is save you time. You can take your W and move on to the next match.

                            I mean, it’s an MMA game. Making your opponent want to quit is part of the strategy sometimes. I do this all the time, and I get to this point where I can just sense the quit coming. It doesn’t bother me at all, that was my strategy. I wanted them to quit, just saves me the added effort.

                            I just don’t understand the problem. It’s not like a multiplayer game where if someone quits it ****s everyone else over. Its a one vs one combat game. If one person quits, the other gets the W.

                            Edit: it would be nice if there were bonus points for making an opponent quit, but the massive penalty for quitting is unnecessary. It’s not like you hurt anyone by quitting, all you do is save your opponent time. Plus, when the server disconnects, it’s pretty lame to get such massive penalty. A server disconnect is actually what prompted this whole post.
                            Last edited by Good Grappler; 12-27-2018, 05:35 PM.
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                            • RetractedMonkey
                              MVP
                              • Dec 2017
                              • 1624

                              #15
                              Re: Quitting shouldn’t cost 30 points

                              That's a faulty argument. You only play to win. The game is just a UFC facade/cover to allow you the satisfaction of winning something. This is how it is for many others, but there is also a segment of players who play for the experience. Winning is the goal, but it runs in tandem with playing the game.

                              For those players, you ARE hurting them by quitting. You're robbing them of actually playing the game. The win is secondary.

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