Re: EA UFC 3 Random Thoughts Thread
Better tuts needed
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Better tuts needed
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Re: EA UFC 3 Random Thoughts Thread
So I was having this Nate vs Khabib fight offline where he had me in the clinch. I believe it was Over Under. I really felt like pulling guard from it but obviously you can't do that. So yeah, I'd just like to remind the devs to add that in from the clinch (and perhaps other positions).
Also, this gets glanced over a lot because people have their minds on "bigger", more exciting things and all that, things they want, and that's understandable, but I'd like to again mention the small but key change that would be manual sweeps. If I wanna keep them in guard give me the opportunity, don't auto sweep them. I know everyone agrees, I'm just saying it again, lest it's forgotten. Small thing, but key. Same with the two stamina bars that should be one.Comment
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Re: EA UFC 3 Random Thoughts Thread
Random thought I have every time it happens: You shouldn't be able to wear champion shorts online unless the fighter you're using is currently the champion of that weight division.Comment
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Re: EA UFC 3 Random Thoughts Thread
I'll respectfully disagree on that one. You can wear the champion shorts online because there's a Contender to Champion system in place. You can't wear the champ shorts in Ranked unless you're the champion. I quite like this system and I believe there's lots room for improvement — for example you can get certain bonuses for winning the belt and then for each consecutive title defence. Dunno what these may be since the game has no incentive/reward system other than Ranking points, but Ranking points could do with a bit of a boost as a reward too.
As for champ shorts in Quick Fight — I don't mind them at all. Titles change hands constantly and while I do understand why you would want such exclusivity, I also feel it's unnecessary. There's plenty of former champions in the UFC who have worn them and I may want to recreate certain fights or experiences. I also may want to envision someone who's yet to become champion as one. Things like that.Comment
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Re: EA UFC 3 Random Thoughts Thread
So the most GSP threw in a 5 round fight is 131 strikes..... Your average fight in UFC 3 has people throwing that type of volume in just 1 round... 1 accelerated clock round.
The accelerated clock makes a 5 minute round only 3 minutes. That means in just 3 minutes, players are throwing an entire 25 minutes worth of strikes...
How do people not see the absurdity in that?
That is objectively insane, and beyond unrealistic output.
Like, I'm sorry, but that's objectively just spam, and gaming the game. It's absurd that you can even throw that type of volume in the game, let alone the fact that the game actually encourages and rewards you for throwing at just an insanely unbelievable unreal pace.PSN: Lord__Hazanko
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PSN: Lord__Hazanko
Just an average player, with a passion for Martial Arts & Combat SportsComment
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Re: EA UFC 3 Random Thoughts Thread
Throwing a 5 round fight's, 25 full minutes worth of strikes in just 3 minutes is spam.
Objectively absurd volume when compared to reality.
Sorry, not sorry.
An average Basketball game has what like 50-100 points per game? I don't watch Basketball, but I think those numbers are about right? Does NBA2k have games where teams are scoring 400-800 points? Because that's the same ratio we have here in UFC 3.
It's completely and totally insane.PSN: Lord__Hazanko
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At this point, all you're doing is arguing semantics, and the definition of "spam".
There is no argument however saying that the striking output in UFC 3 is not just beyond absurd. Because that is nothing but FACTS.
But if you wan't to argue semantics let's do it.
Wiki has a few definitions for different types of spam, and it opens with this:
"Spamming, in the context of video games, refers to the repeated use of the same item or action. For example, "grenade spamming" is the act of a player throwing a large number of grenades in succession into an area. In fighting games, one form of spamming would be to execute the same offensive maneuver or combo so many times in succession that one's opponent does not receive a chance to escape the series of blows."
Well this already seems fairly accurate. But if you go deeper into the specific types of spam categorized by Wiki, the spam in UFC 3 fits cleanly in between "Weapon Spamming", and "Move Spamming"
Weapon Spamming-
"Apart from grenades, "spam" can also describe spray and pray tactics with firearms. In its most general definition, weapon spamming involves using a large amount of ammunition irrespective of having any visible targets. While rapid automatic fire is often desirable against multiple targets or for suppression purposes, many gaming communities will frown on the reliance on automatic fire."
Move Spamming-
"Move spamming in fighting games is very prevalent and its use is just as controversial as other forms of spamming. Move spamming involves using the same move or set of moves repeatedly. Usually these moves have high damage and/or speed, and can be difficult to block. They allow a player to inflict high damage with little effort, and prevent the opponent from getting into a good footing to attack."
I mean this is exactly whats happening in UFC 3. Players "spray and praying" their non stop onslaught of strikes, usually cycling through 3-4 memorized combos non stop. This gives them an extremely low risk- high reward strategy, with low skill implementation. The non stop strikes also overwhelms and stops the opponent from being able to fight back in a realistic manner. There is no set up, no smart tactical engagement, just overwhelming the opponent with non stop, beyond unrealistic amounts volume.
To make things worse, the games mechanics directly enable this type of low skill, low risk, high reward gameplay. And even worse the game actually WANTS you to play like that.
Spam by singular definition does not mean "Throw a spin kick 100 times a fight" It's more nuanced that that, and what is happening in an average UFC 3 is point blank spam.Last edited by Haz____; 08-25-2019, 02:50 PM.PSN: Lord__Hazanko
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Re: EA UFC 3 Random Thoughts Thread
@Haz
Oh, I get what you're saying. I just wouldn't necessarily call it spam. When I see "spam" I envision a mindless approach and those usually have a fairly straightforward counter method.
In any case, I'm not arguing about the general output possibilities being very unrealistic, they are. I would love for stamina to be realistically represented.
Edit: keep in mind though, not all pressure is unrealistic or "spam". What bugs me is that block breaking is required from fighters who fight nothing like that. Stamina is tuned to accommodate that way of play.Last edited by Kingslayer04; 08-25-2019, 03:00 PM.Comment
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Re: EA UFC 3 Random Thoughts Thread
I've seen many users score upwards of 150 points with one player in full, 48-minute games in NBA 2K. Online games in 2K are only 20-minute games, and you can still easily score 100+ points.
One of the biggest thinks I think people overlook with the volume issue is this inherent difference between real-life and gaming: Throwing at a high volume requires that you risk being hit, and being hit hurts.
In a video game, that's obviously not an issue, and realistically speaking, it never will be. Being tired is also painful, in a different way, which also can't be replicated in a video game.
That said, you CAN gas guys out if they're that thirsty. I've tired out the best conditioned fighters (Holloway, Diaz, etc.) by making them miss (not forcing them to to hit my block, but making them whiff entirely) and working the body.
That's to say nothing of how much that strategy would work against guys who don't have great stamina (Woodley, Rumble, Ngannou, etc.)
Fighters like that are generally easy to bait, because they typically don't have the discipline that even the highest-volume guys IRL have. You just have to not fall into the trap of trying to match their volume. If they throw three strikes and hit air, for every one strike you throw that connects, you're good.Comment
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Re: EA UFC 3 Random Thoughts Thread
Also, regarding driving takedowns from the center of the cage, isn't that exactly how Brock Lesnar opened up against Cain?Comment
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