Circling Out --- Sprint Option For UFC 4

[tomitomitomi]

Re: Circling Out --- Sprint Option For UFC 4

Simply not true he’s had tons of them stuffed by gleison tebau micheal Johnson and al. They possessed the skill to do so. He’s had a lot of them stuffed.

The Tibau fight was seven. years. ago. Nick Diaz was a title contender seven years ago. That's how long it has been. Johnson was relatively successful at defending the takedowns but once Khabib got him vs. the cage he took him down at will so if you want we can go back to the must-pre-deny standard.

Ngannous fights he’s won never make it out of the first round. What’s so different from that and higher altitude perk. Yes it would be fun because it’s realistic.

Factually incorrect. Oh well, guess you would find early stoppages, bad scorecards and breaking your hands with first two punches fun too because those are realistic as well.

We do not possess the footwork mechanics for not getting hit once to be a possibility.

And you never will because it would break the game. Your physical response time alone isn't enough to avoid all strikes in a game even without factors like latency.

The skill comes from your own fight iq.

Guess you used your superior fight IQ to stop trying to pressure Rommel.

I think Mortal Kombat is a game more suited to your taste

In Mortal Kombat it's very common to lose at least a third of your health bar for getting hit (at least it was in 9 and X). But hey, this isn't your first clueless, baseless and out-of-touch game comparison.


edit: Regarding the actual leg kick topic, I don't think anyone is opposed to being able to predict kicks and time takedowns.

[Phillyboi207]

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This should be a better example

In game the undeniable TD is timed when your opponent starts to strike

Edgar is grabbing the leg after it lands. There’s no full commitment as soon as Aldo comes forward. You can really see it when Aldo knocks him off balance.

If you’re saying they can still get the TD after getting leg kick reactions that’s a problem

[BloodAndSweat]

Re: Circling Out --- Sprint Option For UFC 4

Hey y'all, haven't been on this forum for a while, So i need a bit of time to catch up with a few threads, i'm currently page 9 on this thread so maybe someone already said somthing similar to what i'm about to say so yea..

Back in page 9, the discussion is about circling away from the cage, and comp player not wanting it because they just wanna brawl (basically)


My question is : Why does the anybody care says what hardcore comp player says about circling ? Or what anobody says about circling btw..


it's a basic MMA move that should be in any MMA game.



I think everyone should stop arguing about who want what and start focusing on what the game is. AN MMA GAME, not a VS fighting game, It's not Street Fighter or Mortal Kombat, this is UFC



Circling is a basic move done in every single combat sports in history of combat sports, How could anyone argue that it shouldn't be in UFC4... I just don't get it ?

[ZombieRommel]

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It's REALLY HARD to hit unless somebody is spamming forward moving overhands or leg kicks. This doesn't work for stationary leg kicks or overhands.

If the timing were a little less strict, and it worked on stationary leg kicks, that could work.

Having this work stationary could be fine. Note it also only ends up in half guard. Whereas the GA double ends up in side control or mount. So if we killed off the GA bonus after getting kicked and made the undeniable single work against stationary kicks (and perhaps widened the window) I think everyone would be happy.

Factually incorrect. Oh well, guess you would find early stoppages, bad scorecards and breaking your hands with first two punches fun too because those are realistic as well.

I think 1212 very much understands the point you made about how fanatical adherence to realism would ruin the game. But he's nitpicking details just to argue.

In Mortal Kombat it's very common to lose at least a third of your health bar for getting hit (at least it was in 9 and X). But hey, this isn't your first clueless, baseless and out-of-touch game comparison.

No it is not. This is the same guy who called League of Legends, maybe the most-played game in the world, a "Cult Classic."

edit: Regarding the actual leg kick topic, I don't think anyone is opposed to being able to predict kicks and time takedowns.

Yeah nobody is against that. I think sometimes people fixate on adjustments I'd like to see as if I want the thing removed completely.

So... "We need to be able to cut off the cage better" warps into "Zombie hates outside fighting and wants it gone."

"It's a little unfair that clean leg kicks give enough GA for a power double into side control" becomes "Zombie wants to be able to throw leg kicks without the threat of being taken down."

I've noticed this all throughout OS, not just with me, but with a lot of different people and a lot of different arguments. There are some posters here who hear a suggestion they don't like and then extrapolate the suggestion to the extreme end and conclude it's what the original poster actually wants.

The way ZHunter addressed what I said is what I'd like to see more of. That is "Okay, so that takedown is cool but only works on forward moving kicks and the window is pretty small. What if we widened the window and made it work on stationary kicks?"

That's something a developer can hear and make a decision about. Much more productive than simply saying some variation of "Nah, leave it like it is, you just don't want to get taken down from leg kicks."

[tomitomitomi]

Re: Circling Out --- Sprint Option For UFC 4

Hey y'all, haven't been on this forum for a while, So i need a bit of time to catch up with a few threads, i'm currently page 9 on this thread so maybe someone already said somthing similar to what i'm about to say so yea..

Back in page 9, the discussion is about circling away from the cage, and comp player not wanting it because they just wanna brawl (basically)


My question is : Why does the anybody care says what hardcore comp player says about circling ? Or what anobody says about circling btw..


it's a basic MMA move that should be in any MMA game.



I think everyone should stop arguing about who want what and start focusing on what the game is. AN MMA GAME, not a VS fighting game, It's not Street Fighter or Mortal Kombat, this is UFC



Circling is a basic move done in every single combat sports in history of combat sports, How could anyone argue that it shouldn't be in UFC4... I just don't get it ?

Welp at least you admitted that you didn't read the whole thread.

I've noticed this all throughout OS, not just with me, but with a lot of different people and a lot of different arguments. There are some posters here who hear a suggestion they don't like and then extrapolate the suggestion to the extreme end and conclude it's what the original poster actually wants.

The way ZHunter addressed what I said is what I'd like to see more of. That is "Okay, so that takedown is cool but only works on forward moving kicks and the window is pretty small. What if we widened the window and made it work on stationary kicks?"

That's something a developer can hear and make a decision about. Much more productive than simply saying some variation of "Nah, leave it like it is, you just don't want to get taken down from leg kicks."

Unfortunately, that's social media. That's why someone like Romero (if for some reason he wants to become another scapegoat when the game doesn't pander to everyone's individual tastes) would be a good GC as he has a valuable viewpoint and is polite enough to deal with all sorts of people.

[Phillyboi207]

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"It's a little unfair that clean leg kicks give enough GA for a power double into side control" becomes "Zombie wants to be able to throw leg kicks without the threat of being taken down."

I've noticed this all throughout OS, not just with me, but with a lot of different people and a lot of different arguments. There are some posters here who hear a suggestion they don't like and then extrapolate the suggestion to the extreme end and conclude it's what the original poster actually wants.

The way ZHunter addressed what I said is what I'd like to see more of. That is "Okay, so that takedown is cool but only works on forward moving kicks and the window is pretty small. What if we widened the window and made it work on stationary kicks?"

That's something a developer can hear and make a decision about. Much more productive than simply saying some variation of "Nah, leave it like it is, you just don't want to get taken down from leg kicks."

See now you’re essentially doing the same thing. Who has said “Nah, leave it like it is, you just don’t want to get taken down from leg kicks.” ?

I’ve conceded several points and agreed on others. I dont think it should be possible after a leg kick reaction , or after a you set the kicks up with strikes first. I also think the effects from leg kicks should be more pronounced so choosin this strategy should involve the risk of taking severe leg damage. I’d like the TD window in this situation to vary depending TD defense vs offense. I’d love to see a perk for guys with exceptional TD defense so that their denial window is even higher.

I just believe that you should be punished for throwing naked leg kicks against Khabib. I even went through the trouble of making a couple of gifs to support why. To me that’s punishing your fight IQ instead stick skills. The best games involve both.

If the fact that it goes to side control is an issue I’d be more than happy to say the power TDs shouldnt work in those situations.

[ZombieRommel]

Re: Circling Out --- Sprint Option For UFC 4

See now you’re essentially doing the same thing. Who has said “Nah, leave it like it is, you just don’t want to get taken down from leg kicks.” ?

I’ve conceded several points and agreed on others. I dont think it should be possible after a leg kick reaction , or after a you set the kicks up with strikes first. I also think the effects from leg kicks should be more pronounced so choosin this strategy should involve the risk of taking severe leg damage. I’d like the TD window in this situation to vary depending TD defense vs offense. I’d love to see a perk for guys with exceptional TD defense so that their denial window is even higher.

I just believe that you should be punished for throwing naked leg kicks against Khabib. I even went through the trouble of making a couple of gifs to support why. To me that’s punishing your fight IQ instead stick skills. The best games involve both.

If the fact that it goes to side control is an issue I’d be more than happy to say the power TDs shouldnt work in those situations.

Those points are all fair and I'm not trying to single you out or be adversarial with you. I consider you one of the reasonable & sane posters on this forum. I think you initially said you agreed to disagree but then later conceded some points when you understood the complaint more.

Not trying to throw you under the bus, just pointing out some trends I see on this forum. But I think Tomitomitomi is right and it's just social media in general, where a nuanced point gets ignored and substituted with with a much simpler and vulgar version of the original argument. Not saying you did that, just something I struggle with and wish wasn't a thing. I do think many of my points get misinterpreted or substituted with a more crass version in some people's heads.

In regard to your suggestions here, I tend to think that widening the window for the auto-TD and making it apply to stationary kicks could fix the whole issue - meanwhile sapping GA away from the grappler if he gets hit clean by prior shots.

Meaning a combo into the clean kick would reduce the grappler's GA a bit, but a naked leg kick would be a bit easier to get the auto-TD on due to not having incurred unfavorable GA.

I'm glad you see the point about the power TD's. Basically in the game right now, IMO it should be: "This guy has been leg kicking me. I'm going to time his next kick as he's kicking and get him down into half guard, and he won't be able to deny me."

Instead it is: "This guy has been leg kicking me. I'm going to stand still and let him smash my leg. Then once he's done with 90% of his kick recovery and he looks like he's perfectly fine, I'm going to take advantage of the fact that the pre-denial doesn't work and SMASH him into side control or mount (depending on his stamina). In lag, he will not be able to deny me at all."

I'm not trying to GET RID of the vulnerability of leg kicks to takedowns as I do agree it's realistic, but I want to adjust how it works a bit to be more fair on both sides.

EDIT: What could be really cool is if the striker could FEINT the leg kick to draw out the shot and the counter with an uppercut or knee. The meta could get really interesting.

[Phillyboi207]

Re: Circling Out --- Sprint Option For UFC 4

I can agree with everything there

I’d also like to see power TDs revamped anyway

More like the push TD where you get to hold it and there’s some struggle to it. Only time it should go straight into the TD is if the opponent doesnt deny imo.

[RomeroXVII]

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Those points are all fair and I'm not trying to single you out or be adversarial with you. I consider you one of the reasonable & sane posters on this forum. I think you initially said you agreed to disagree but then later conceded some points when you understood the complaint more.

Not trying to throw you under the bus, just pointing out some trends I see on this forum. But I think Tomitomitomi is right and it's just social media in general, where a nuanced point gets ignored and substituted with with a much simpler and vulgar version of the original argument. Not saying you did that, just something I struggle with and wish wasn't a thing. I do think many of my points get misinterpreted or substituted with a more crass version in some people's heads.

In regard to your suggestions here, I tend to think that widening the window for the auto-TD and making it apply to stationary kicks could fix the whole issue - meanwhile sapping GA away from the grappler if he gets hit clean by prior shots.

Meaning a combo into the clean kick would reduce the grappler's GA a bit, but a naked leg kick would be a bit easier to get the auto-TD on due to not having incurred unfavorable GA.

I'm glad you see the point about the power TD's. Basically in the game right now, IMO it should be: "This guy has been leg kicking me. I'm going to time his next kick as he's kicking and get him down into half guard, and he won't be able to deny me."

Instead it is: "This guy has been leg kicking me. I'm going to stand still and let him smash my leg. Then once he's done with 90% of his kick recovery and he looks like he's perfectly fine, I'm going to take advantage of the fact that the pre-denial doesn't work and SMASH him into side control or mount (depending on his stamina). In lag, he will not be able to deny me at all."

I'm not trying to GET RID of the vulnerability of leg kicks to takedowns as I do agree it's realistic, but I want to adjust how it works a bit to be more fair on both sides.

EDIT: What could be really cool is if the striker could FEINT the leg kick to draw out the shot and the counter with an uppercut or knee. The meta could get really interesting.

I feint the rear leg kick a lot already for that. Moving forward lead leg kicks cannot be feinted for some reason.


Ricky J. is going to upload my Round 2 fight soon for his tournament and you'll see me hit I believe, two undeniable TDs.

What I don't like is, considering how strict the window is, even with somebody like Khabib, if you miss the window for some God forsaken reason it will turn into a single leg, and ignore whatever potential GA you had prior to attempting the Undeniable TD goes away and becomes EXTREMELY slow, which leads to an easy denial/TD Counter.


Examples here:

https://twitter.com/ARomeroXVII/status/1090774683367206912?s=09

https://twitter.com/ARomeroXVII/status/1090776244667498497?s=09

I've found when you have perfect GA and proper timing you can get TDs that are unable to be TD Countered, that aren't spears or Undeniables.

Before it didn't really work, and I would get this:

https://twitter.com/ARomeroXVII/status/1092952155961675777?s=09

But now, like right here, against this Holloway who was TD Countering me in Round One:

https://twitter.com/ARomeroXVII/status/1112743139914190849?s=09

Of course, the spear after a lunge is great too:

https://twitter.com/ARomeroXVII/status/1131458813620641795?s=09

And I honestly feel, that the TD when somebody is rocked or if you have a significant stamina advantage over them, should take them in HG, and the Undeniable TD should be into SC, since it is a much more dominant position in game, and takes much more skill to pull off.

https://twitter.com/ARomeroXVII/status/1090470143493324802?s=09

[1212headkick]

Re: Circling Out --- Sprint Option For UFC 4

The Tibau fight was seven. years. ago. Nick Diaz was a title contender seven years ago. That's how long it has been. Johnson was relatively successful at defending the takedowns but once Khabib got him vs. the cage he took him down at will so if you want we can go back to the must-pre-deny standard.



Factually incorrect. Oh well, guess you would find early stoppages, bad scorecards and breaking your hands with first two punches fun too because those are realistic as well.



And you never will because it would break the game. Your physical response time alone isn't enough to avoid all strikes in a game even without factors like latency.



Guess you used your superior fight IQ to stop trying to pressure Rommel.



In Mortal Kombat it's very common to lose at least a third of your health bar for getting hit (at least it was in 9 and X). But hey, this isn't your first clueless, baseless and out-of-touch game comparison.


edit: Regarding the actual leg kick topic, I don't think anyone is opposed to being able to predict kicks and time takedowns.

Cain said himself he got finished. I guess all his kos were early stoppages? I did pressure rommel and when he knee spammed he got grapple pressured. Alot agree with my approach. I understand you brown nose for clout. The problem is your ideas are bad for the game. Whats the highest youve been on the leaderboards? Most lack of balance stems from lack of realism. Good mk players use zoning alot and the punishments for doing unsafe stuff is massive dmg. Sounds like what ngannou does irl. Guess your happy with 10+ rocks to finish your opponent. You say realistic footwork would break the game even though it benefits both fighters. You ever done any martial arts? Probably not by the way you treat others. Your toxic attitude appauls me.

[aholbert32]

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Here we go again....and we were doing so well.

[tomitomitomi]

Re: Circling Out --- Sprint Option For UFC 4

I did pressure rommel and when he knee spammed he got grapple pressured. .

"If you jab pressure you’ll win 90% of your matches. Use the lunging punches to make your opponent expose themselves to vulnerability faster. If they’re on the cage keep them there with the lunging jab. I want the very best for this community. Right now you want a meta that suits a select few. That’s why head hunting is prominent and body shots are complete dog **** and there’s no lateral shuffle step. Pressure needs absolutely no tools or buffs because if your jab efficientl you’ll put pressure on someone they never thought existes"

No comments on the rest of the incoherent and contradictory mess that you spewed at me.

[bmlimo]

Re: Circling Out --- Sprint Option For UFC 4

"If you jab pressure you’ll win 90% of your matches. Use the lunging punches to make your opponent expose themselves to vulnerability faster. If they’re on the cage keep them there with the lunging jab. I want the very best for this community. Right now you want a meta that suits a select few. That’s why head hunting is prominent and body shots are complete dog **** and there’s no lateral shuffle step. Pressure needs absolutely no tools or buffs because if your jab efficientl you’ll put pressure on someone they never thought existes"

No comments on the rest of the incoherent and contradictory mess that you spewed at me.

Well in his defense... 90%, but move one, u just entered in this thread to troll gtfo

[1212headkick]

Re: Circling Out --- Sprint Option For UFC 4

"If you jab pressure you’ll win 90% of your matches. Use the lunging punches to make your opponent expose themselves to vulnerability faster. If they’re on the cage keep them there with the lunging jab. I want the very best for this community. Right now you want a meta that suits a select few. That’s why head hunting is prominent and body shots are complete dog **** and there’s no lateral shuffle step. Pressure needs absolutely no tools or buffs because if your jab efficientl you’ll put pressure on someone they never thought existes"

No comments on the rest of the incoherent and contradictory mess that you spewed at me.

Your statements are logical fallacies without any meat or reason based on fact for your arguments. This is a trait you and aholbert both share. I give facts to support my claims and things you can test yourself. You just bully troll and babble.

[tomitomitomi]

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Your statements are logical fallacies without any meat or reason based on fact for your arguments. This is a trait you and aholbert both share. I give facts to support my claims and things you can test yourself. You just bully troll and babble.

Is "putting pressure on someone they never knew existed" a measurable and objective fact that you can test yourself? You forgot to include "Boom roasted" and "10-7 outside fighting", btw.

Well in his defense... 90%, but move one, u just entered in this thread to troll gtfo

Pretty poor defense. I've had civil interactions in this thread with Romero, Rommel and phillyboi just to name a few.