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[aholbert32]

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A lot of fighters are speaking out about this ... this could end up with the UFC forced to move fights out of Nevada(which would be great for the rest of the country) or could even lead to starting a union.

Will be interesting to see where this ends up.

Another thing is he is also banned from training with any MMA fighters, even coaching them. So he is done in MMA and if his brother, Gil, etc are caught working with him, they can also be suspended.

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Never will happen. The UFC makes WAY too much money in Vegas for that to ever happen. A union cant do a thing about this either. It could help fund fighters legal defense but this isnt the UFC making this decision...its a government agency.

Also, he can train whoever he wants. He just cant corner his brother or any of the Skrap Pack while under suspension.

[TheShizNo1]

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Why isn't UFC gonna comment?

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[redsrule]

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What a joke mma and the NSAC is. 5 years for Marijuana. Seriously?

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[p_rushing]

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Also, he can train whoever he wants. He just cant corner his brother or any of the Skrap Pack while under suspension.

According to the WADA, they treat it similar to how other pro sports do. You cannot have contact with your team during suspensions. UFC is different, but it does include training. It will be hard to prove, the tester would have to see him at the gym or he would have to post video of the training. Any training would subject both parties to suspension.

Diaz has basically been removed from making any money in the next 5 years unless he can get some promotion jobs. Anyone that ever plans to fight in Nevada would need to stay away from him.

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[aholbert32]

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According to the WADA, they treat it similar to how other pro sports do. You cannot have contact with your team during suspensions. UFC is different, but it does include training. It will be hard to prove, the tester would have to see him at the gym or he would have to post video of the training. Any training would subject both parties to suspension.

Diaz has basically been removed from making any money in the next 5 years unless he can get some promotion jobs. Anyone that ever plans to fight in Nevada would need to stay away from him.

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WADA doesnt govern Nevada or most states though. Nevada chooses to use some labs that are WADA approved but they have their own rules and regulations. Ive never heard that a suspension stretches to training.

For example, here is a video of Chael training with Uriah Hall and other lower level MMA fighters during his current suspension. Chael was preparing for his Metamoris BJJ match.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mma-cagewriter/-video--chael-sonnen-prepares-for-metamoris-4-215141966.html

This was over a year ago and Hall has fought in NV since then. A government licensing agency cant control who you train with. It can only control if you are licensed to fight in the state and who can corner you during those fights.

[p_rushing]

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I found this, it's not the link I originally saw, but we will see what happens soon. Silva and Melendez both are past the 15 days notice.

http://combatsportslaw.com/2015/08/05/usadaufc-anti-doping-policy-and-consqequences-of-prohibited-association/

[aholbert32]

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I found this, it's not the link I originally saw, but we will see what happens soon. Silva and Melendez both are past the 15 days notice.

http://combatsportslaw.com/2015/08/0...d-association/

Thanks for this. That is a ridiculous rule. Its also not likely to stand if a fighter sued. The UFC would be insane if it actually suspended a clean fighter for training with a suspended fighter.

[p_rushing]

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Thanks for this. That is a ridiculous rule. Its also not likely to stand if a fighter sued. The UFC would be insane if it actually suspended a clean fighter for training with a suspended fighter.

I haven't seen it talked about widely and since until Silva and Melendez were suspended, there wasn't anyone under suspension. So who knows if they are applying that rule to the UFC. It is pretty crazy, but it would definitely make a point about not using PEDs. You would lose the ability to fight and also make any money training people. Someone like Melendez couldn't go to his gym, which would probably hurt his business.

Since Diaz wasn't suspended for PEDs, not sure if it applies or not.

[aholbert32]

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I haven't seen it talked about widely and since until Silva and Melendez were suspended, there wasn't anyone under suspension. So who knows if they are applying that rule to the UFC. It is pretty crazy, but it would definitely make a point about not using PEDs. You would lose the ability to fight and also make any money training people. Someone like Melendez couldn't go to his gym, which would probably hurt his business.

Since Diaz wasn't suspended for PEDs, not sure if it applies or not.

It does because the language doesnt speak just to PEDs. It applies to anyone suspended under the drug policy. The way it reads anyone suspended under the policy cant train with a UFC fighter while under suspension.

Its absolute garbage.

[The JareBear]

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It seems like there is a real battle of ego going on here. The NAC finds Diaz' attempt at defense audacious and Diaz (or his camp) find the NAC's ridiculous policies audacious.

5 years is whacko. I mean come on.

[Phobia]

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I'm no fan of the brothers but this is flat out disturbing. I can't express my distaste of this enough, I'll just say if steroids get a lesser sentence than pot, there is something seriously wrong. I understand "protecting" fighters coming in under the influence from getting possibly hurt, but one is directly affecting the outcome of a match & sport.

Seriously, only in america do we have the most backwards *** laws/rules. One small example, I can't walk down the street with a open container of alcohol BUT I can walk down the street open carrying a firearm, explain that lol. This is just another example of common sense out the window.

[aholbert32]

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Prushing, looks like you may be right. Cejudo is the first one.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/9/16/9338385/henry-cejudo-refuses-to-fight-in-nevada-in-light-of-nick-diazs

[p_rushing]

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Prushing, looks like you may be right. Cejudo is the first one.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/9/16...-of-nick-diazs

I'm a little shocked Ronda said anything, she has toed the company line. I doubt any top fighters will refuse to fight there, but if Ronda says it, then Nevada will have to listen as the UFC will be forced to move cards to other locations.

Let's see if the UFC loves money too much to give the fighters their wish(Nevada is giving venues away for lesser fight in order to keep bigger fights). If they don't give in, it may speed up the union forming.

[aholbert32]

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I'm a little shocked Ronda said anything, she has toed the company line. I doubt any top fighters will refuse to fight there, but if Ronda says it, then Nevada will have to listen as the UFC will be forced to move cards to other locations.

Let's see if the UFC loves money too much to give the fighters their wish(Nevada is giving venues away for lesser fight in order to keep bigger fights). If they don't give in, it may speed up the union forming.

I just dont see this leading to a union though. The UFC holds 8-10 cards in Vegas a year. The reason they do is because those events are the most profitable every year. They can charge more in Vegas and costs are cheaper because of deals from the MGM and the UFC's headquarters is in Vegas.

As strong as Ronda was today, you notice she didnt say anything about not fighting there....especially with UFC 200 on the horizon next July. You may see a few fighters like Cejudo and the Skrap Pack refuse to fight there but I dont think it will be significant enough.

Also, a union can do absolutely nothing about the Diaz case or NSAC. Nothing other than refuse to fight in Vegas. I seriously doubt you would find a majority of fighters who would agree to boycott Vegas because Diaz got a big and unjust suspension.

[Phobia]

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I agree aholbert, but from a pure character stand point I highly respect Cejudo for being the first with the balls to stand up for what is right. Granted like you said, I doubt enough weight will follow behind any of this to make some kind of "about face" from the NSAC or UFC. I'm just glad to see someone doing something other than talking.

If Ronda did back out of Vegas and we know her and Nick are tight, it could be the ONLY thing to bring some kind of discussions on this matter.