UFC & Affliction Merged!

[aholbert32]

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We'll see how Randy looks but I honestly don't too much care for a fight with he and Fedor. Randy is damn near 50.

Mir and Lesnar sure those fights I'd like to see maybe with Kongo thrown in. Outside of those it's pretty much meh.

Cain and Carwin you could say the same thing you said about Rogers.

My point is the UFC may have the "best" HW division but is it really saying much and would it really effect Fedor's legacy.

You cant say the same thing about Cain and Carwin. Thats because they are in the UFC and have the ability to fight other big fighters and build their names. Lets say Cain beats Carwin in his next fight and then beats someone like Nog....all of a sudden people are talking about him being a top 5 HW because he has wins over Kongo, Nog and Carwin.

Rogers doesnt have that option. There are 2 interesting HW in Strikeforce. Rogers and Overeem. If Fedor signs with SF, his first fight will be against Overeem. Who is Rogers going to use to build up his name? Werdum? I cant even think of another HW in Strikeforce. Do you really think SF can sell a Fedor/Rogers PPV w/ Rogers only having 1 significant win? I dont.

[TwelveozPlaya21]

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Am getting tried of Fedor and his crap mangement, Fedor stop hiding from Lesner.. Man up you ain't beat no one worth talking about till you fight Lesner.

[Gibbz]

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If he doesn't sign with UFC then the guy clearly has no interest in fighting top competition.

Sign with UFC and have a chance at securing your incredible legacy, or sign with Strikeforce and remain irrelevant to the masses.

[Wet Bandit]

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What I don't understand is why Fedor's management seemingly thinks that co-promotion is the only way to increase M-1 Global's exposure.

Seriously, M-1 Global essentially has two options:

1) Continue to insist on co-promotion, bypassing an opportunity in the UFC and instead sending Fedor to another smaller promotion like Strikeforce where he can fight someone mainstream fans don't care about and won't tune in to watch, but at least they'll be co-promoting those events that the mainstream doesn't care about.

2) Give in on co-promotion and send Fedor to the UFC and hope he owns their heavyweight division. If he does, he will build worldwide, mainstream fame, and then use that established mainstream fame to prop him up as the face of M-1 Global.

Which one of those options will build M-1 Global's brand more? The second, obviously. Yet they're gonna take the first option.

Sure, the ideal scenario for them would be to have Fedor in the UFC while they co-promote, but that's not gonna happen. So now they have options, and they're choosing the worse of the two because of some deluded thought that the ideal option is still somehow on the table.

That's just bad business.

And that's why M-1 Global is pretty much nothing outside of Fedor and Mousasi at this point.

[bkfount]

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if legit, this is by far the biggest and most relaxed contract that the UFC has offered any fighter. 5 million a fight? I wonder how this will affect future contracts offered to the top elite fighters. Fedor is a special fighter for sure, but certainly GSP or even Lesnar could start quoting this offer in the future, if it's legit.

[ex carrabba fan]

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I don't think there's a need to even breakdown the rejected offer. It was just a pathetic decision. There's no rhyme or reason at all.

[MizzouBravesFan]

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If that was the true offer and it was turned down, Fedor and his camp are an absolute joke.

There is no other logical place for the guy to go...it's time he comes to the UFC and ends this.

Fedor needs the UFC...they don't need him...it's about time that M-1 and Fedor himself come to grips with this and signs. Sure he can go to Strikforce, fight a couple of cans, and then what? He's in the same position.

I don't care what anyone says, Fedor and M-1 CONTINUING to make it almost impossible for Fedor to sign with the UFC tarnishes his legacay. If he never comes to the UFC, it'll always be "what if"...I mean White and the UFC is almost bending over backwards and it STILL isn't good enough.

I'm almost to the point where I could care less if Fedor ever steps foot in the Octagon or not...I love MMA and the UFC and that won't change.

[ex carrabba fan]

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Fedor needs the UFC? Really?

He could retire today and still be considered by a ton of OG/hardcore MMA fans as the best to have ever stepped into the ring.

If not the best, then damn near close.

Fedor doesn't need a thing

[Scoop_Brady]

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I disagree carrabba, Fedor needs the UFC more than the UFC needs Fedor. There's no doubt during his PRIDE days that he was the best fighter in the world. Since then (a span of 3 years) he has beaten 3 ex-UFC guys and Hong Man Choi. He has also lost in Sambo. He's basically beaten 3 guys the UFC has no interest in anymore and a tall guy with very little skill. I think a lot of Fedor lovers are living in the past and are fooling themselves if they think he doesn't need the UFC to cement his legacy.

Oh, and before I get accused of being a UFC fanboy/lover I follow Dream, Strikeforce, Bellator and followed Affliction, Bodog, and EliteXC before their demises. I want to see him run through the UFC HW division but he's decided to surround himself by idiots. Hell, even his own brother is questioning WTF he is thinking surrounding himself with these guys.

[MizzouBravesFan]

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I think he needs them to remain viable now and in the future...really, where else can he go and what else can he do outside of the UFC?

The UFC has shown they don't need him, they're doing more than ok with or without Fedor.

M-1 seriously overestimates Fedor's popularity and drawing power outside of the hardcore MMA fanbase...the two PPV's with him was the headliner completely bombed.

Fedor was dominant in Pride, no doubt about that...that was Pride and that was the past. Everybody wants to see how he'd do against the elite in the UFC who have all evolved into better fighters.

The fact that he and his management keep making it damn near impossible to get a deal done is just a joke and makes them look bad...what else can Dana and the UFC do??? Co-promotion is such an absurd demand, it's not even worth discussing.

It's just my opinion that Fedor needs the UFC...it'll leave a lot of unanswered questions and make people doubt him if he never fights there, all I'm saying.

CroCop was in the same position but he finally wised up, why can't Fedor?

[MizzouBravesFan]

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I disagree carrabba, Fedor needs the UFC more than the UFC needs Fedor. There's no doubt during his PRIDE days that he was the best fighter in the world. Since then (a span of 3 years) he has beaten 3 ex-UFC guys and Hong Man Choi. He has also lost in Sambo. He's basically beaten 3 guys the UFC has no interest in anymore and a tall guy with very little skill. I think a lot of Fedor lovers are living in the past and are fooling themselves if they think he doesn't need the UFC to cement his legacy.

Oh, and before I get accused of being a UFC fanboy/lover I follow Dream, Strikeforce, Bellator and followed Affliction, Bodog, and EliteXC before their demises. I want to see him run through the UFC HW division but he's decided to surround himself by idiots. Hell, even his own brother is questioning WTF he is thinking surrounding himself with these guys.

EXACTLY...thank you.

That's all I was trying to say, very well put.

[ex carrabba fan]

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I disagree carrabba, Fedor needs the UFC more than the UFC needs Fedor. There's no doubt during his PRIDE days that he was the best fighter in the world. Since then (a span of 3 years) he has beaten 3 ex-UFC guys and Hong Man Choi. He has also lost in Sambo. He's basically beaten 3 guys the UFC has no interest in anymore and a tall guy with very little skill. I think a lot of Fedor lovers are living in the past and are fooling themselves if they think he doesn't need the UFC to cement his legacy.

Oh, and before I get accused of being a UFC fanboy/lover I follow Dream, Strikeforce, Bellator and followed Affliction, Bodog, and EliteXC before their demises. I want to see him run through the UFC HW division but he's decided to surround himself by idiots. Hell, even his own brother is questioning WTF he is thinking surrounding himself with these guys.

I agree with you that his legacy isn't "cemented" right now without joining the UFC.

My point was if he doesn't join the UFC how far does he really far in terms of best ever to fight?

In terms of the "need" dynamic: does he need to the UFC? No. Like I said he can hang them up right now and still be considered one of the best.

Does he need the UFC to put the "!" on his legacy? Yes. He needs the UFC to show that he can fight with the evolving HW's of the world.

So the "need" aspect I suppose is all about perspective.

There's no doubt that he and his management have seemed to have made a stupid stupid decision.

[MizzouBravesFan]

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I agree with you that his legacy isn't "cemented" right now without joining the UFC.

My point was if he doesn't join the UFC how far does he really far in terms of best ever to fight?

In terms of the "need" dynamic: does he need to the UFC? No. Like I said he can hang them up right now and still be considered one of the best.

Does he need the UFC to put the "!" on his legacy? Yes. He needs the UFC to show that he can fight with the evolving HW's of the world.

So the "need" aspect I suppose is all about perspective.

There's no doubt that he and his management have seemed to have made a stupid stupid decision.

I see what you're saying now, it's a good point.

[Scoop_Brady]

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I agree with you that his legacy isn't "cemented" right now without joining the UFC.

My point was if he doesn't join the UFC how far does he really far in terms of best ever to fight?

In terms of the "need" dynamic: does he need to the UFC? No. Like I said he can hang them up right now and still be considered one of the best.

Does he need the UFC to put the "!" on his legacy? Yes. He needs the UFC to show that he can fight with the evolving HW's of the world.

So the "need" aspect I suppose is all about perspective.

There's no doubt that he and his management have seemed to have made a stupid stupid decision.

I agree that he could have retired right after PRIDE and maybe even after his fight with Linland and he would have retired the GOAT. My problem is the fact that he beat Sylvia (who was knocked out by Ray Mercer), Arlovksi (who was knocked out by Brett Rodgers), and threw an armbar on Hong Man Choi (who is only an MMA fighter because of his size) all because he didn't want to sign with the UFC where he can be fighting Mir, Couture, Nog again, Carwin, Velasquez, and Lesnar. The truly great athletes are dominant throughout their entire career against the best competition. Fedor was dominant against the best throughout his PRIDE days but I don't think he has been since then. That's just my opinion though. Either way he's a hell of a fighter, it's just a shame he won't be fighting in the UFC.

[goh]

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M-1 says that's not what they offered: http://sherdog.com/news/news/m-1-fed...-million-18816

Who did he ever beat in Pride that was a top fighter in their prime besides Nog and Cro Cop?

Coleman and Randleman were washed up already,might be able to give him credit for Herring and Semmy was about 7 years too late and the rest are mostly cans or people I've never heard of.

Maybe they should've offered an instant fight with Couture,might be more to his liking. Might as well offer him a fight with Kim Couture,I'm sure he'd take that one!

Go beat Lesnar,Mir,Kongo,Cain and Carwin. Then drop to 205 and beat Anderson Silva and Machida,based on the Lesnar comment wouldn't even have to drop to fight Machida.