UFC & Affliction Merged!

[aholbert32]

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The UFC ordered a cease-and-desist to StrikeForce for the Mousasi/Babalu fight after their merger with Affliction:

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/8/3/...just-escalated

This war will get nasty, and I absolutely do not see StrikeForce winning...

Dana and the Fertittas dont play. They actually have a point if Affliction transfered their contracts to Zuffa.

[Stumbleweed]

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Yeah, those guys both had 1 more Affliction fight in them...

Moral of the story: Don't **** with the Fertittas.

This is about to turn into a proper war, and unfortunately the fans might get the worst end of it... no Fedor/Brock fight, possibly this fight canceled, the UFC going hard trying to take down StrikeForce.. jeez, we got some crazy months ahead IMO.

[ManiacMatt1782]

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I don't want to get into this argument (mostly because Playa doesn't have much of an argument), but I wanted to point this out. Using the betting line and ignoring the actual result of the fight? That's some impressive cherry-picking there.

Thats taking my quote out of context, I know Mir beat Noguiera, but i was pointing out that noguiera is still a huge name, and a former UFC champion, and for a long time was considered the best fighter not named Fedor.

[Wet Bandit]

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This pretty much guarantees that the UFC will counter-program Strikeforce hard. The night that Fedor makes his Strikeforce debut, look for a well-marketed replay of a big UFC PPV on Spike. Or even the UFC rushing to put together another Fight Night like they did with Silva/Irvin when Fedor made his Affliction debut.

[Wet Bandit]

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Thats taking my quote out of context, I know Mir beat Noguiera, but i was pointing out that nogira is still a huge name, and a former UFC champion, and for a long time was considered the best fighter not named Fedor.

Meh, I still think you were trying to have your cake and eat it, too. There were better ways of making that point without referencing a betting line. Just seemed like you were trying to elevate Big Nog at Mir's expense, which would have been odd considering how the fight went.

But whatever, not a big deal. I just thought it was funny.

[ManiacMatt1782]

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And how long has Lesner been doing this? He's had what 5 fights and maybe 2 years of training. He's faster, quicker, bigger, stronger then all those guys put together. Sorry but Andrei Arlovski is a over-rated bum, he was in the UFC when the HW was so watered down, He has no chin, lesner would pound his face in with 1 hand behind his back. Tim Sylvia this guy is a big stiff I wish people would stop trying to make Sylvia out to be a good fighter EVER.

When did I ever once say Lesner was the greatest? Never.

When you start to spell his last name correctly I will start to take your posts a little more seriously. It's LESNAR. I am not saying Brock is terrible. I would be an idiot to say that. But He still has to defend that title once. To me, Mir was the champ because he beat the rightful champ in Nogueira. Couture whined and cried about a contract, tried to breech his contract, cried more about the contract that he willingly signed. And made the UFC have an intirim title while he put the belt on hold. Well he was out of the UFC and had gone more than a year without defending the belt. Now in every other case the intirim champ once that amount of time went by. But Dana saw a chance to make money, gave Randy Brock in his comeback fight and decided to let randy keep his title because it would sell more PPV's if it was title fight. Meanwhile Noguiera who beat Sylvia the champion before Couture.

Cause he knows he would get roughed up thats why he is hiding. Lesner is not AA or Tim "The Stiff" Sylvia.

Tim the stiff huh, Before his horrible loss to Mercer, Sylvia was still considered anywhere from a top 5 to top 8 heavyweight. this is laughable. Sylvia may not be 100% focused on MMA now and its showing. But to say Sylvia was a nobody, even when he fought Fedor is EXTREMELY laughable. Sylvia was still a dangerous striker, and knew how to use his biggest gift, his size to his advantage. That kind of size and power to back it up made him a dangerous fight for anyone who couldnt get the fight to the ground and quickly. He was never the most technical guy but he didnt have to be. He was also a little boring because he liked to keep fighters at range and use his size. But to say he was a stiff especially when he was Ko'ing fighters left and right is downright hilarious.

[ManiacMatt1782]

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Meh, I still think you were trying to have your cake and eat it, too. There were better ways of making that point without referencing a betting line. Just seemed like you were trying to elevate Big Nog at Mir's expense, which would have been odd considering how the fight went.

But whatever, not a big deal. I just thought it was funny.

Actually my point there was, look how good Mir is, and he was a 2-1 underdog against noguiera going into the fight. That how respected Noguiera was/is. It was more of a point to show Noguiera was not just another can fed to fedor.

[Wet Bandit]

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But to say he was a stiff especially when he was Ko'ing fighters left and right is downright hilarious.

To be fair, though, the time in his career when he was KO'ing guys was 1) when he was fighting guys like Wes Sims and Gan McGee and 2) when he got caught using steroids.

Sylvia wasn't a stiff. But he wasn't a top 5-8 heavyweight in 2009. Some people might have thought so, but they were clearly mistaken. He was good, but his reputation was largely built on coming along at a time when being 'good' was enough to be UFC heavyweight champion.

[Salhus]

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But Brock grappled with Mir for about five minutes and there literally wasn't one single chance for Mir to throw an armbar. And that wasn't by accident. Lesnar has obviously been training submission defense. He was able to read and react to Mir's rolling kneebar and guillotine attempts incredibly quickly. And when it got to the ground, he smothered Mir, slowly and methodically mixing in brutal strikes with wrist control and hip control, never once posturing up to allow Mir to throw his legs up for a triangle or armbar.

Can't argue much with that.

The only thing to say is that Mir is technically better than Fedor. Fedor is physically better than Mir. So, I don't think it's going to be the same

Brock made Mir's superior technique irrelevant, I really don't think he can do that to Fedor

[ManiacMatt1782]

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If you think Mir is technically better than Fedor, then what is stopping Lesnar from doing the same thing to a smaller less technical opponent. I disagree that Mir is better technically than fedor, or that fedor is more physically gifted than mir for that matter as well. Fedor usually doesnt make mistakes and always looks calm, never looks panicked even the few times he was in trouble. I actually think its Fedor's technical skill that makes him the fighter he is because he is actually a pretty average size for a heavyweight and smaller than mir lesnar, sylvia, noguiera and many others. but to play devils advocate lets say mir is better technically than fedor, then why couldnt lesnar do the same to fedor.

[Salhus]

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If you think Mir is technically better than Fedor, then what is stopping Lesnar from doing the same thing to a smaller less technical opponent. I disagree that Mir is better technically than fedor, or that fedor is more physically gifted than mir for that matter as well. Fedor usually doesnt make mistakes and always looks calm, never looks panicked even the few times he was in trouble. I actually think its Fedor's technical skill that makes him the fighter he is because he is actually a pretty average size for a heavyweight and smaller than mir lesnar, sylvia, noguiera and many others. but to play devils advocate lets say mir is better technically than fedor, then why couldnt lesnar do the same to fedor.

I meant technically submission wise. Not on the ground. I'd take Fedor on the ground any day, especially on top. Also, Fedor is stronger and quicker than Mir. That's where you'd see a difference in the fight.

Like you said, Fedor is very calm when he's in trouble. That's smart. Another reason why Fedor wins the fight. He saw how Brock beat Mir, Fedor knows what to expect.