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Re: The Ultimate Fighter: Heavyweights
When the person you're fighting pretty much sucks, it can be hard to put on a good fight. What do you want him to do when the other guy just lays there? He got into a position that Kimbo couldn't defend himself in and just punched him. He didn't waste any more energy than he had to, and he didn't risk getting hurt.
Kimbo is just as much to blame for a boring fight, because he offered NOTHING. Maybe Roy would have had to actually do something if Kimbo hadn't just laid there helplessly.Last edited by MC Fatigue; 10-01-2009, 07:24 AM.Comment
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Re: The Ultimate Fighter: Heavyweights
Yoy can really tell the kimbo fan boys/ MMA newbies in this thread. Roy didn't just lay on kimbo. He took him down, passed guard, worked to get mount. Then gave up the mount to go to a crusifix where he could pin kimbos arm and not allow him to block. The only thing kimbo could do was turtle his head under roys big *** belly. That is not intellegently defending yourself and grounds for a stoppage under the rules. It was a domonant performance as far as skill goes, even though he didn't really hurt kimbo bad. He made kimbo look like an amatur. Kimbo should be thankful roy just wanted to win the fight. Roy probably could have subbed him, but played it safe and kept kimbo in adefenseless position and used the rules to win the fight, and not hurt his opponent bad. It was actually classy.Comment
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Re: The Ultimate Fighter: Heavyweights
Roy sucks. He could be a great fighter if he trained with someone who pushes him and makes him loose that gut.
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Re: The Ultimate Fighter: Heavyweights
This season is like a story arc in the wwf. Didn't watch this week but I already had a feeling what was going to happen. The lost showed what he needed to work on (a la a rocky movie) Now the rest is gonna be how he gets better an eventually winsLast edited by BOSsTOwN; 10-01-2009, 07:46 AM."This game, and series, has nothing but contempt for you (now)"Comment
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Re: The Ultimate Fighter: Heavyweights
Roy weighed in at 264, he barely made the limit. Having a guy that weighs that much is hard to get him off you especially if he has any skill. Its not like it was a guy 205 vs another 205.
We see what Brock's size advantage does when he's on top and it goes beyond his wrestling. Kimbo may be strong but it ain't easy getting Fatty McGee off of you with his Santa belly because when a guy doesn't have that gut its easier to get your arms in a better position to try to transition.Comment
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Re: The Ultimate Fighter: Heavyweights
He actually defended the takedowns pretty well until he threw that knee. The takedown in the first round was just a nice TD by Roy, it wasn't like Kimbo just walked into it and got immediately taken down like that first TUF fight. There was just nothing he could do to prevent Roy from gaining position on the ground... thought he was gonna be able to just hold him and get it stood back uop in the 1st but he let go and Roy started hitting him and going for the crucifix.
Also, I'm pretty sure Kimbo wasn't practicing defense against the crucifix... not exactly a common position to end up in, even against a good BJJ guy. He was probably thinking more about submissions and escaping mount... not an excuse, but just an observation. Having Rampage's dumb *** in the corner not giving good advice probably didn't help either -- "Get up Kimbo!" uh, yeah, he's trying but that fat bastard is laying on his arm and head....
I heard he's training with American Top Team now, so he'll be in good shape for a real fight in December or whenever it will be... they definitely need to match him up with someone who will stand up more. Roy planned his attack beforehand and was able to do it with little resistance -- if he was getting owned on the feet (which he certainly was in the 2nd especially), he was gonna take it down and do that BS soft punch + counting thing... worked like a charm.Send your Midnight Release weirdo pics/videos to my new website: http://www.peopleofmidnightreleases.com!Comment
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Re: The Ultimate Fighter: Heavyweights
because Rampage isn't a coach he's a fighter. People make the mistake of thinking just because someone was great at whatever their sport is, that they can coach it. But that isn't the case. Isiah Thomas was a great basketball player, crappy coach. Michael Jordan was the best basketball player ever, he cant put together a team at all. Rampage is a great fighter, but he cant teach the sport as well. He tends to think that everyone has his ability, desire, heart, knowledge and skill so he can just teach them how to fight like him but you have to adapt and have a different strategy depending on your fighters.Comment
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Re: The Ultimate Fighter: Heavyweights
Good interview with Roy here:
Some excerpts:
Were you impressed with any part of his game?
The one thing I was impressed with was afterward -- we're roommates -- he wanted to know how to get out of the crucifix, so I showed him what I was doing and how I beat him, the whole nine yards. At the same time, I was looking at his forehead, and was thinking, 'Man, you look like the elephant man,' because he had a big hematoma on his forehead. But for the most part, that's the thing that I respected most. Just the fact that he wanted to learn. At the same time, I don't know if that was just a game, but for the most part, me and Kimbo always got along.The Florida stuff Nelson refers to might be regarding his fight with Arlovski on the Kimbo/Petruzelli card. There's been rumblings that some shady stuff went on to keep Kimbo's fight on the feet, and Roy was also stood up despite having side control against Arlovski and working a kimura attempt and knees to his side.Back to the fight, do you think Herb Dean should have stopped it at the end of the first round?
I think Herb Dean is a ******.
Really? Because, as I'm sure you know, he's considered one of the best referees in MMA.
I beg to differ. I mean, he's a little better than some of the Florida refs, I'll give him that. But Herb is very, I want to say, controlled by some influential people just because he was afraid to stop the fight because he was like, 'Am I going to get fired? I don't know? Am I going to get fired.' And I'm sitting there yelling at Herb. The biggest thing going through my mind was, Oh, Florida all over again. That's all I could think of. And then when we got to the second round, I was just thinking that if we get to that point, I would make sure we count. I even started counting, the whole nine yards. I know I was going to get in that same position again, and it wasn't going to be a big deal. But this time I was going to do it right away versus waiting towards the end of the round because Kimbo tried to come at me, and that's exactly what I wanted. [I wanted] him to body clinch so he did the work, and I didn't have to do it. Jiu jitsu 101: make the other guy do all the work. Then, once I got there, took him down and just crucifixed him again, but now I got four minutes to work, and it doesn't matter how long I do it; I could do it forever.
Did you say anything to Herb after the fight?
Yeah, I was like, 'Hey, Herb, what were you thinking?,' and he just walked away. So I was like, 'Hey, good reffing, Herb.' I mean, what can you say? It's a ref, you can't really badmouth him. You can just point out the obvious and the facts. 'Were you waiting until I got to 50?' I think that's what I asked. I said, 'How many punches does it take?'Comment
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Re: The Ultimate Fighter: Heavyweights
"Good interview" lol, opinions, he sounded like a douchebag in the interview as well and seriously "roy nelson comes out swinging" dude is a lay and pray guy he isn't swinging anything but a burger king bag towards his face.Good interview with Roy here:
Some excerpts:
The Florida stuff Nelson refers to might be regarding his fight with Arlovski on the Kimbo/Petruzelli card. There's been rumblings that some shady stuff went on to keep Kimbo's fight on the feet, and Roy was also stood up despite having side control against Arlovski and working a kimura attempt and knees to his side.Comment
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Re: The Ultimate Fighter: Heavyweights
"I want to say, controlled by some influential people just because he was afraid to stop the fight because he was like, 'Am I going to get fired? I don't know? Am I going to get fired.' And I'm sitting there yelling at Herb."
Oh puh-leeze. All those cheeseburgers must be getting to his head. Mazagatti and Yves still have jobs,Herb wouldn't have got fired over that. Dunno who these "influential people" would be either.Comment
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