The Ultimate Fighter: Heavyweights

[goh]

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"Get me a double whopper,no pickle. No pickle!"


Rotund Roy sounds like a good nickname.
That fight was like watching 2 bad people play SF IV with Balrog and Rufus.

[JerseySuave4]

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Wow, that was my frst time seeing nelson fight and for him to have been ifl champ the competion must have been complete garbage.All he did in that fight was lay on kimbo, people can say kimbo sucks but at least he wants to bang and put on a good show.I'm glad dana acknowledged roy's cockiness and lack luster performance.I really don't want to see roy in the ufc.

deep down i dont think Dana does either

[Stumbleweed]

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Yeah Kimbo throwing that knee was uber-dumb... he had Roy hurt but blew it there. I hate Roy about 10 times as much as I did before... just a pitiful display of gaming the system... Kimbo wasn't hurt at all, those punches were garbage, he got the whole team to count them.. just weak. Then he prances around calling himself the king to Dana (who seems completely and utterly unimpressed) with his big-*** gut flopping around like a bag of wet clothes. Dude barely made weight too, didn't think that was possible for Heavyweights... hope he gets his block knocked off ASAP.

Kimbo will fight again... someone will inevitably go down with an injury and he wasn't hurt at all, so he's the most likely candidate. If that doesn't happen, he'll be there for the finale... no way Dana just lets him go based on this ****ty fight.

[Gibbz]

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deep down i dont think Dana does either

Not very deep down. Dana makes it pretty obvious that he's not a Nelson fan.

[MizzouBravesFan]

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The fight went about like I expected...can't believe the ref didn't stop it at the end of Round 1, that was an easy stoppage. Not surprised though, they were going to give Kimbo EVERY chance possible to win that fight.

Doesn't matter, Kimbo will continue on in the UFC...Dana isn't stupid, he knows the guy draws in fans and will hope to cultivate him. He will be a UFC mainstay IMO.

[Dispatch]

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Kimbo was stupid for trying to knee Nelson in the first place, but it was a lackluster win for Nelson.

If Nelson does make it into the UFC I plan on watching him get knocked out a couple of times. His takedowns were nothing special and I can't see him standing with people like Carwin, Lesnar, Velasquez, or even Duffee. Plus he's way to cocky.

[Wet Bandit]

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You guys are nuts if you think Roy didn't do anything.

What you saw was what happens when a jiu jitsu black belt grapples with a guy with zero grappling skill. The black belt goes where he wants, when he wants, and there's nothing the other guy can do about it.

At one point Roy willingly gave up full mount because he wanted to go to the crucifix position instead. The only sort of ground defense Kimbo showed was a single quality sweep attempt with the help of the cage, and Roy stuffed it. And once Kimbo was away from the cage, there was literally nothing he knew to do to get out of that position.

It's incredible that people are disparaging Roy for Kimbo's utter uselessness on the ground. Did Roy deliver a dynamic performance? No. But if Kimbo was able to be beaten that easily, it's hard to blame Roy for that.

[CreatineKasey]

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That fight did disappoint me. I knew Kimbo struggled with the wrestling aspects, but he didn't even put up a fight against a full guard and crucifix once he was taken down. Slice is a very powerful fighter, but he appeared to be completely in the dark when it came to that aspect of MMA.

I was hoping for some heavier shots by both guys. Kimbo laid some big ones in there. Nelson's finish was disappointing... he's got a guy completely pinned down and all he could do was patter him on the head. He should've been making everyone grimace watching him slug big shots on Kimbo... the guy was completely exposed!

I'm not extremely seasoned in analyzing fights so if I'm completely off on something, gimme a break... but that's what I thought about the fight.

[JerseySuave4]

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The fight went about like I expected...can't believe the ref didn't stop it at the end of Round 1, that was an easy stoppage. Not surprised though, they were going to give Kimbo EVERY chance possible to win that fight.

Doesn't matter, Kimbo will continue on in the UFC...Dana isn't stupid, he knows the guy draws in fans and will hope to cultivate him. He will be a UFC mainstay IMO.

i think Herb, like everyone else, could see none of those punches Roy was landing were hard and did any damage or hurt Kimbo so he gave him more of a leash in the 1st round to try and survive.

As for him being a mainstay, that all depends on Kimbo's success. If he doesnt win his first real fight in the UFC then i dont see Dana bothering with him much more. The appeal will die down and even though Kimbo is humble and learning as much as he can, Dana wont let him hang around while he's learning unless he's done something.

If he couldnt stop Roy's ground game, imagine what Brock Lesnar would do to him. Brock would destory Kimbo.

[JerseySuave4]

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You guys are nuts if you think Roy didn't do anything.

What you saw was what happens when a jiu jitsu black belt grapples with a guy with zero grappling skill. The black belt goes where he wants, when he wants, and there's nothing the other guy can do about it.

At one point Roy willingly gave up full mount because he wanted to go to the crucifix position instead. The only sort of ground defense Kimbo showed was a single quality sweep attempt with the help of the cage, and Roy stuffed it. And once Kimbo was away from the cage, there was literally nothing he knew to do to get out of that position.

It's incredible that people are disparaging Roy for Kimbo's utter uselessness on the ground. Did Roy deliver a dynamic performance? No. But if Kimbo was able to be beaten that easily, it's hard to blame Roy for that.

Roy's belly kept Kimbo down. If Roy had the body of an in shape MMA fighter i think Kimbo would have been able to get out of it better but you saw in training he struggled with the guy with the bigger belly.

[Wet Bandit]

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I think some people here need to go find a 265-pound guy, have him lay on you in the crucifix position, and have him punch you in the head 40 times. While none of the shots are going to knock you out, I can guarantee you're going to feel them.

[The Dragon]

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You guys are nuts if you think Roy didn't do anything.

What you saw was what happens when a jiu jitsu black belt grapples with a guy with zero grappling skill. The black belt goes where he wants, when he wants, and there's nothing the other guy can do about it.

At one point Roy willingly gave up full mount because he wanted to go to the crucifix position instead. The only sort of ground defense Kimbo showed was a single quality sweep attempt with the help of the cage, and Roy stuffed it. And once Kimbo was away from the cage, there was literally nothing he knew to do to get out of that position.

It's incredible that people are disparaging Roy for Kimbo's utter uselessness on the ground. Did Roy deliver a dynamic performance? No. But if Kimbo was able to be beaten that easily, it's hard to blame Roy for that.

Nelson is a former champ he could have put on a better performance then that, no wonder the ifl folded.

[Wet Bandit]

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Roy's belly kept Kimbo down. If Roy had the body of an in shape MMA fighter i think Kimbo would have been able to get out of it better but you saw in training he struggled with the guy with the bigger belly.

Right. It was Roy's belly. It had absolutely nothing to do with the fact that a jiu jitsu black belt was on top of a grappling novice in an absolutely dominating position.

[Wet Bandit]

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Nelson is a former champ he could have put on a better performance then that, no wonder the ifl folded.

Roy could have put on a better performance?

It takes two guys for a good fight. Roy had the skills necessary. Kimbo did not.

The fact that Roy was able to get Kimbo down, pass to whatever position he wanted, control Kimbo, and pound him out with arm punches is not Roy's fault.

[The Dragon]

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Roy could have put on a better performance?

It takes two guys for a good fight. Roy had the skills necessary. Kimbo did not.

The fact that Roy was able to get Kimbo down, pass to whatever position he wanted, control Kimbo, and pound him out with arm punches is not Roy's fault.

Your one of those guys who would say a "win is a win" no matter how crappy the fighter is but my opinion stands along with dana, roy nelson didn't do crap and shouldn't been acting so cocky.