UFC 108: Evans v. T Silva

[goh]

Re: UFC 108: Evans v. T Silva

I think he's lost a lot of confidence in his ability and has resorted back to what he considers to be his biggest strength, and probably thinks he can get the belt fighting like that.

Not from Machida he won't.

Also not a fan of the new ring girl. Now they're both...well to put it nicely neither are my type. There's still a third seat there.

[MC Fatigue]

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By that logic then anyone who gains the back of their opponent for a rear naked choke and continually tries for 2 rounds but is unsuccessfull at completing the submission should have his points cancelled out due to his opponent escaping everytime. That is BS, if the opponent can't defend himself from take downs then it is his own fault. He should not be rewarded for his initial failure.

Sorry, I don't buy the comparison for a second.

[JerseySuave4]

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I think people are giving page too much credit, like he'll just walk through rashad. He didn't look amazing against Jardine and got his jaw broke. I think Silva would have a good chance of beating rampage. I think Rashad will win a fight with Rampage...maybe he'll get dropped once or twice, but I think overall he's the winner.

Jardine has a really awkward style, he can make anyone look bad. Not to mention he has better kicks than Rashad and a totally different style. If Rashad gets dropped once by Rampage he's done. No chance he can get through being dropped once or twice. If Rampage connects with that hook on Shad's chin, its lights out.

I can see why some people think that Page will run through Shad but, I don't necessarily see it that way. I mean, this is going to be a true grudge match of epic proportion's, IMO and a fight like this could easily go either way.

Now I'll admit that Shad hasn't looked that good in his last two fights but, Rampage should have a little ring rust since he was off doing a movie. Plus, in his last fight Jardine gave Page a pretty good run for his money and I think that most of us can agree that Shad is a better fighter than Jardine.

Either way, I think it will be a great fight and I think there's one thing that we can all agree on..... and that is this fight can't get here quick enough!

The W. Silva vs Rampage fight was a grudge match with 2 guys that hated each other as well, how'd that work out? Like i said before, Jardine has a really awkward style so he can give anyone problems.

We saw a great wrestler in Dan Henderson get dominated by Rampage on the ground. We saw Liddell & Silva get dropped by Rampage. Forrest even said every punch he landed on him hurt.

Ring rust won't happen with Rampage. The guy is a pro and has had plenty of fights in the cage by now to know what to expect.

I think these 2 hating each other so much will help Rampage because maybe Rashad will try and stand up longer hoping to KO Rampage which is highly unlikely. Sakuraba beat him with a submission (Rashad has never even attempted a submission in the cage), Rua beat him with kicks (Rashad doesnt have kicks like Rua), and Silva beat him with muay thai knees (Rashad doesnt have muay thai like Silva). Forrest beat him on a close decision keeping Rampage off balance with leg kicks, Rashad isn't much of a leg kicker. I dont see where Rashad can win this fight unless he tries to outpoint him with his wrestling like he did against Thiago but Rampage i think is too strong to let what happen to Silva, happen to him.

Rampage will KO Rashad in round 1. He'll have him doing the stanky leg.

[JerseySuave4]

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Not from Machida he won't.

Also not a fan of the new ring girl. Now they're both...well to put it nicely neither are my type. There's still a third seat there.

i thought the new ring girl (it was the black chick right?) was pretty hot. She had a nice body.

[allBthere]

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Jardine has a really awkward style, he can make anyone look bad. Not to mention he has better kicks than Rashad and a totally different style. If Rashad gets dropped once by Rampage he's done. No chance he can get through being dropped once or twice. If Rampage connects with that hook on Shad's chin, its lights out.




The W. Silva vs Rampage fight was a grudge match with 2 guys that hated each other as well, how'd that work out? Like i said before, Jardine has a really awkward style so he can give anyone problems.

We saw a great wrestler in Dan Henderson get dominated by Rampage on the ground. We saw Liddell & Silva get dropped by Rampage. Forrest even said every punch he landed on him hurt.

Ring rust won't happen with Rampage. The guy is a pro and has had plenty of fights in the cage by now to know what to expect.

I think these 2 hating each other so much will help Rampage because maybe Rashad will try and stand up longer hoping to KO Rampage which is highly unlikely. Sakuraba beat him with a submission (Rashad has never even attempted a submission in the cage), Rua beat him with kicks (Rashad doesnt have kicks like Rua), and Silva beat him with muay thai knees (Rashad doesnt have muay thai like Silva). Forrest beat him on a close decision keeping Rampage off balance with leg kicks, Rashad isn't much of a leg kicker. I dont see where Rashad can win this fight unless he tries to outpoint him with his wrestling like he did against Thiago but Rampage i think is too strong to let what happen to Silva, happen to him.

Rampage will KO Rashad in round 1. He'll have him doing the stanky leg.

Dan is much smaller naturally than Rashad...I think Rashad could take ramp down and keep him there for at least a significant amount of time. Jardine may have an awkward style, but that didn't stop Houston from ko'ing him, not to mention Silva. And Rashad did a lot better against Forrest too. Rampage Beat Wandy after seeing him get beat up by chuck so that probably gave him lots of confidence. Rampage gets awkward himself and rely's too much on his "bad rap music head movement" it won't work with Rashad. I think it will be a great fight and don't give ramp any more odds than Shad at all. It's quite possible that Shad could knock him out as well.

Rampage has become like chuck where he hops he'll knock the other guy out with a bomb, but when it doesn't come he isn't very versatile.

[catcatch22]

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Sorry, I don't buy the comparison for a second.

That is because you view wrestling as something that is not MMA, which you have said in several posts "this is not wreslting its MMA". If you dislike wrestling then why watch MMA cause most if not all use those tactics.

A full mount to me is just as big as getting the back of an opponent. So what if he never gets a shot in or does not sink the choke. The ability to gain that position is what they get points for.

[MC Fatigue]

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That is because you view wrestling as something that is not MMA, which you have said in several posts "this is not wreslting its MMA". If you dislike wrestling then why watch MMA cause most if not all use those tactics.

A full mount to me is just as big as getting the back of an opponent. So what if he never gets a shot in or does not sink the choke. The ability to gain that position is what they get points for.

Again - don't buy it, sorry.

[Scoop_Brady]

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Again - don't buy it, sorry.

I'm with you Fatigue. An NFL team that consistently moved the ball and made it into the redzone but failed to even kick fg's would not be too impressive so why should gaining a dominant position without doing any kind of damage, even minimal, be so impressive? If Evans could control him on the ground I would have been more impressed. I'm not a fan of lay-n-pray but as a big fan of the ground game I can at least I see the merits of holding the position. Evans won the fight but if Silva didn't gas out and try to cover it up by acting like a fool I would have considered a 10-8 round making it a draw. It doesn't matter, Evans won the fight and I wasn't impressed by either of them. Easily the worst fight of the night.

[catcatch22]

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I'm with you Fatigue. An NFL team that consistently moved the ball and made it into the redzone but failed to even kick fg's would not be too impressive so why should gaining a dominant position without doing any kind of damage, even minimal, be so impressive?

No it would be like kicking fg's cause you do get points for takedowns.

By the way one of the greatest NFC championship games ever played the Giants beat the 49er's in the 3 peat game with 5 field goals to win 15 to 13. Just because no "touchdowns" are scored does not mean its an ugly game.

Now the takedowns were not pretty at all but Chuck did not have problems with takedowns for quite some time as a striker. If your gonna be a striker you need to defend takedowns or at least knock dudes out with your strikes when you have the opportunity.

[JerseySuave4]

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It's quite possible that Shad could knock him out as well.

when was the last time you saw Rampage get knocked out. I do agree Rampage relies too much on the stand up but thats what he is, a brawler. If its a standup fight, it favors him. Neither guy does much kicking. He can do some damage on the ground but he is most comfortable standing so thats why you dont see him try and take too many fights to the ground.

[VanCitySportsGuy]

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Looks like Forrest Griffin has been taking full advantage of the holidays. He has a small gut now and is up to 240. Flavor Flav is 50 years old and he still wears that clock around his neck.........

[Scoop_Brady]

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No it would be like kicking fg's cause you do get points for takedowns.

By the way one of the greatest NFC championship games ever played the Giants beat the 49er's in the 3 peat game with 5 field goals to win 15 to 13. Just because no "touchdowns" are scored does not mean its an ugly game.

Now the takedowns were not pretty at all but Chuck did not have problems with takedowns for quite some time as a striker. If your gonna be a striker you need to defend takedowns or at least knock dudes out with your strikes when you have the opportunity.

IMO getting a takedown and losing the position right away is the equivalent of getting to the redzone and not scoring any points in this analogy. Getting a takedown and doing a little damage would be like kicking a field goal. Doing major damage would be scoring the touchdown. You do realize that escapes and reversals score points in wrestling too, right? Why shouldn't they in MMA?

Edit: I just wanted to add a comment about the NFC Championship game you mentioned. The reason the game was so great was not because of the offense, it was a defensive struggle and the defense is what made it great. Getting taken down shows poor takedown defense but getting back up right away shows excellent ground defense.

[aholbert32]

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IMO getting a takedown and losing the position right away is the equivalent of getting to the redzone and not scoring any points in this analogy. Getting a takedown and doing a little damage would be like kicking a field goal. Doing major damage would be scoring the touchdown. You do realize that escapes and reversals score points in wrestling too, right? Why shouldn't they in MMA?

Who says reversals dont count? Wouldnt that fall under octagon control and effective grappling.

[Gotmadskillzson]

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Amazing how much stuff goes on behind the camera. Good lord ! Dana is the f bomb dropping king ! Boxing vs mma ??? All it would take is a BJJ or wrestler to take them down and it would be over.

[Gotmadskillzson]

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when was the last time you saw Rampage get knocked out.

People said the same thing about Kimbo and get KO by Seth Pertizilla, a TUF guy.

People said the same thing about Chuck Lidell and he got KO twice now.

And we all know what happened to Bispend, Pulver, Faber, Torres when people said the same thing about them and they all got knocked out.