UFC 2010 Undisputed Demo Available, Post Impressions Here

[wyrm187]

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hey take a look at this link - shows that on average only 30% of ufc fights end in decision which i was actually surprised at. HW was the highest KO % (35) so while there may be a lot of ko's in this game - if your gonna stand and trade recklessly that seems pretty accurate.

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f2/how...68/index3.html

Here is what this method percentage would be for all weight categories.
This is for all promotions, but just for fights in last 2 years:

ctg - count - KO/TKO - Sub - Decision - Draw
125 -- 184 - 17.4% - 34.2% - 39.1% - 9.2%
135 -- 706 - 25.8% - 41.9% - 28.2% - 3.0%
145 - 1141 - 27.4% - 43.2% - 25.9% - 2.1%
155 -- 878 - 24.1% - 40.7% - 30.1% - 4.2%
170 - 1141 - 27.4% - 43.2% - 25.9% - 2.1%
185 - 1886 - 29.2% - 40.1% - 26.8% - 2.5%
205 - 1739 - 32.3% - 42.3% - 22.1% - 2.1%
265 -- 196 - 35.2% - 30.6% - 31.1% - 1.0%

Here Decision percentage is much more evenly distributed (around 30%).

Still, HW have the most KO/TKO (35%), but it is not that much more then other weight categories.

LHW are the most exciting, because they have only 22% of decision.

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[DJ]

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I'm getting turned off by this demo with all of the excessive KO's..

I hope the demo is accelerated, Im going to look at some early gameplay vids to see if the clock is moving as fast as it is in the demo....

I have not seen a sub, decision nor a TKO....

All of my matches end with me getting KO or me KO'n the CPU..

Seem like if you connect on a counter, its a auto KO......

LoL guess they was influenced by FNR4...

I feel the same way.

[Scoop_Brady]

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I have been having my %^$ handed to me but still loving every minute. I know part of it is my slow, aging reflexes but part of it is having to relearn how to play the game. Defending yourself is way more important than it was last year. Last year you couldn't get knocked out if you started throwing your punch or kick before your opponent. This year you can. That changes everything for the better IMO. Now you really have to pick and choose your spots to attack and be conscious of how susceptible that leaves you. I'm working on it but I still make that one mistake which sends me to la-la-land. I have won a couple of matches but mostly I'm losing, and having fun doing so. I love how deep the game is.

The coolest thing I've seen so far is the ref stopping the fight to have a doctor look at the cut I opened up on Shogun's head. He was able to continue and I proceeded to continually attack the cut and ended up knocking him out.

There's so many little nuances to be learned that I'm loving it.

[DJ]

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played about 10 fight now on expert and I think UFC 2009 is better than 2010. It's a lot of little things I don't like, e.g. that the fighters' techniques aren't shown in the screen where u can select the fighters. And "normal" punches like jabs seem to have no effect at all, and hard uppercuts and stuff also don't look good. In 09 you could really see how punches hit hard, now everything looks like girl slaps that have no effect at all. I hope EA will do a better job with their MMA game.

Yeah, I think 09's standup game was better. I'm really not a big fan of "the shine" either. Can you do power escapes at all in 10?

I don't see enough improvements/differentiation to warrant a Day 1 purchase for me. I'll get the game, but am going to wait for it to drop in price a bit.

[Jukeman]

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hey take a look at this link - shows that on average only 30% of ufc fights end in decision which i was actually surprised at. HW was the highest KO % (35) so while there may be a lot of ko's in this game - if your gonna stand and trade recklessly that seems pretty accurate.

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f2/how...68/index3.html

Here is what this method percentage would be for all weight categories.
This is for all promotions, but just for fights in last 2 years:

ctg - count - KO/TKO - Sub - Decision - Draw
125 -- 184 - 17.4% - 34.2% - 39.1% - 9.2%
135 -- 706 - 25.8% - 41.9% - 28.2% - 3.0%
145 - 1141 - 27.4% - 43.2% - 25.9% - 2.1%
155 -- 878 - 24.1% - 40.7% - 30.1% - 4.2%
170 - 1141 - 27.4% - 43.2% - 25.9% - 2.1%
185 - 1886 - 29.2% - 40.1% - 26.8% - 2.5%
205 - 1739 - 32.3% - 42.3% - 22.1% - 2.1%
265 -- 196 - 35.2% - 30.6% - 31.1% - 1.0%

Here Decision percentage is much more evenly distributed (around 30%).

Still, HW have the most KO/TKO (35%), but it is not that much more then other weight categories.

LHW are the most exciting, because they have only 22% of decision.

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kind of pointless stats if they are including KO's with TKO's....

The Ko's are dramatic...I have no problem with me dropping a fighter after a hook and then finish him off after just one hit to the face(while he's on the ground) before the ref calls it....

Its like Im playing UFC Ultimate Knockouts of 2010 instead of UFC Undisputed 2010 "As real As It Gets"

Just saying, I would like to see more TKO's rather than a dramatic KO...If that was the case, I could care less about decision wins..

[wyrm187]

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kind of pointless stats if they are including KO's with TKO's....

The Ko's are dramatic...I have no problem with me dropping a fighter after a hook and then finish him off after just one hit to the face(while he's on the ground) before the ref calls it....

Its like Im playing UFC Ultimate Knockouts of 2010 instead of UFC Undisputed 2010 "As real As It Gets"

Just saying, I would like to see more TKO's rather than a dramatic KO...If that was the case, I could care less about decision wins..

Ill buy that .. .. but like it's been said on here before I think it will be toned down during the final release. balance with kos was fine with another live player - it seems skewed when playing the computer on higher difficulty levels -

[woody2goody]

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Here are a few basic points that myself and a friend have picked up on from the demo:

Smoother gameplay, better presentation, submissions are harder to lock in which is good, striking is nicely balanced, takedowns are nice and quick.

Also, just a thought about submissions: anybody who is complaining about not being able to button bash their way out of submissions obviously just needs to practice a method which most people have been utilising all year. There's no point whining about it just get on with it and get better. Don't mean that to sound harsh but that how it is on 2010.

[mikenoob]

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Yup, shining is natural to me since that was the method I used most of the time last game. I only button mashed once it hit the second stage of locking it in in desperation to escape. I only used shine since, if you escape they put you in an advantageous position. Although, if someone pulls a submission switch on me, I can't spin counter clock wise as fast and clean as I do clockwise.

how in the hell do you escape a submission?

So you are upset because the only way to stop a take down is because you have to do it manually?

Machida's take down should no where be as successful as it is now. If you take Rashad and try taking down the fighter most of the time it gets stuffed if he's just standing there even if the cpu didn't manually stuff the take down. On the other hand, Machida will take anyone down unless the cpu predicted the takedown and shook you off.

[ManiacMatt1782]

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is it just me or is it easier to time and rever ground transitions on expert than advanced?

[countryboy]

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I'm with Jukeman on this one...I'm just not feeling this demo. I still have '09, and may just hang on to it for my UFC fix. Going to re-read the previews and such to get an idea of what changes to career mode were made.

[EarvGotti]

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I've seen a video on Gamespot where they were playing the actual game, and yes the clock does run that fast in the actual game.

It doesnt really bother me, I just hope the speed of subs are turned down when the game comes out.

I was really hoping they put Bruce Buffer's over-excited announcment voice in the game this year.

"FIGHTTINNNGGGGG, out of the blue corner......."

[allBthere]

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I'm with Jukeman on this one...I'm just not feeling this demo. I still have '09, and may just hang on to it for my UFC fix. Going to re-read the previews and such to get an idea of what changes to career mode were made.

yeah. 2010 REALLY messed up the standup. I want 09's gameplay standing with 2010's career mode.

They really messed it worse that I thought. I can win whenever I want by using garbage tactics. Jabs and straights are 100% worthless, it's an LB fest. Why does a left hook have more reach than a jab? ugh. I was so pumped until I played it a lot and now I'm honesty considering not getting it.

I'm going to post on the community forums a bunch to give them my feedback because I hope in the future they don't stick with this standup. It's totally deflated my anticipation for the game. So disappointed. I'll probably buy it and beat the career on an easier difficulty so that I can mount believable offences. I'll only keep the game if online is better (which I doubt because throwing bombs is the only way to win)

[Phobia]

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I don't know guys. 2010 is better in just about everyway from what I am seeing. KOs are slightly over done. Which like stated I believe will be tweaked. They did it last year and I am sure this version will be no different.

Game is deeper, more variety, nice fluid striking, balanced pro/con system. Just in about every way I see this a improvement on last years.

[allBthere]

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I don't know guys. 2010 is better in just about everyway from what I am seeing. KOs are slightly over done. Which like stated I believe will be tweaked. They did it last year and I am sure this version will be no different.

Game is deeper, more variety, nice fluid striking, balanced pro/con system. Just in about every way I see this a improvement on last years.

but you can't mount a believable offence and win - that's the problem. For some reason they slowed down the jabs and straights AND made you have to fully complete the punch before throwing the next one. If you jab, the punch must return to the ready position before you can throw a straight unlike last year where you would throw them like a real person - beginning the next punch as you're pulling back the previous one. Jabs and crosses are also slower in general. this means that a left or right hook is pretty much just as fast meaning why throw a jab at all when there are openings?
Another thing about them being slow is that you can connect but be hit by a power shot even after landing a punch. What I mean by this is, that I could jab you and after you see your character being hit you could throw a hook and hit me because of the time it takes to retract the punch and cover up. Last year you could also change the trajectory of their power punches by landing 1-2's...i haven't really seen that this year.

Power punches are also overpowered for the game imo. Rampages lb punches are more powerful than Shogun's head kicks. I know this because I hit him 8 times in a row with them and was ko'd by his hook many times.

Elbows are also too common. Last year you had to be right up in the other guy's personal space for the game to initiate them, now the distance is larger and I find myself throwing them when I don't want to.

The biggest and best improvements are the cage interaction, posture system, and new muay thai plum system. The striking on the feet in general is much worse than '09 mainly because it forces you to be offensive or counter in pretty silly ways a lot of the time.

Try this insanely common real-world combination 1,2, leg kick. If you do this in 2010 you will get murdered. If you still have '09 or the '09 demo try the same thing and it's pretty bang-on. Or 1,2,3 (hook) or anything that works off the jab or straight. it's FUNDAMENTAL. I have no idea why the decided to ruin it; but they did because they would have actively had to change things. It's a very big deal to me and kills the experience to a large degree.

Thank god for red dead redemption lol

[Phobia]

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but you can't mount a believable offence and win - that's the problem. For some reason they slowed down the jabs and straights AND made you have to fully complete the punch before throwing the next one. If you jab, the punch must return to the ready position before you can throw a straight unlike last year where you would throw them like a real person - beginning the next punch as you're pulling back the previous one. Jabs and crosses are also slower in general. this means that a left or right hook is pretty much just as fast meaning why throw a jab at all when there are openings?
Another thing about them being slow is that you can connect but be hit by a power shot even after landing a punch. What I mean by this is, that I could jab you and after you see your character being hit you could throw a hook and hit me because of the time it takes to retract the punch and cover up. Last year you could also change the trajectory of their power punches by landing 1-2's...i haven't really seen that this year.

Power punches are also overpowered for the game imo. Rampages lb punches are more powerful than Shogun's head kicks. I know this because I hit him 8 times in a row with them and was ko'd by his hook many times.

Elbows are also too common. Last year you had to be right up in the other guy's personal space for the game to initiate them, now the distance is larger and I find myself throwing them when I don't want to.

The biggest and best improvements are the cage interaction, posture system, and new muay thai plum system. The striking on the feet in general is much worse than '09 mainly because it forces you to be offensive or counter in pretty silly ways a lot of the time.

Try this insanely common real-world combination 1,2, leg kick. If you do this in 2010 you will get murdered. If you still have '09 or the '09 demo try the same thing and it's pretty bang-on. Or 1,2,3 (hook) or anything that works off the jab or straight. it's FUNDAMENTAL. I have no idea why the decided to ruin it; but they did because they would have actively had to change things. It's a very big deal to me and kills the experience to a large degree.

Thank god for red dead redemption lol

I agree with what you are saying 100%. but I don't think it distracts from the ONLINE portion of it for me. Both parties have to adjust to the differences and compete. You can still create real world styles. It is just the combos are not as smooth. Instead they put more emphasis on counters.

So yea, I understand from a X/O's stand point it is not 100 accurate. But from a competitive online game for me. it is pretty darn excellent.