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  • Bad_Intentions
    All Star
    • Oct 2002
    • 5392

    #526
    Re: UFC 2010 Undisputed Demo Available, Post Impressions Here

    I also think they need to scrap the standing elbows...Very few fighters throw them and when they do it is a rarity...when guys are really close they still punch, not try to elbow each other.

    They need to get some kind of short choppy punch animations instead of the bows.

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    • Ifly8o8
      Rookie
      • May 2010
      • 30

      #527
      Re: UFC 2010 Undisputed Demo Available, Post Impressions Here

      I've been playing this game for the past two days and I feel that I got the controls down fairly well. This is my feelings towards ufc 10. Yes there are way too many kos and not enough rocked scenarios. That needs to be changed. I also think that the frequent flash kos is due to the fact that heavy punches are your most effective punches. Like someone said the jab straight combo is almost non existant. But when u think of a real fight they hardly jab anyway so that's kind of a wash. This isn't boxing. In fact if u watch real fights occassionally u will hear Rogan say that the jab is the most unutilized attack in mma. There are few ufc fighters that use the jab with effectiveness.
      The ground game is just like last year IMO. There are more positions, but advancing is the same. Rotate stick or reverse. The only thing I liked is that it's a lot easier to transition if u have proper positioning. For example if u r in full guard up u can position ur hand on his leg to get ready to transition to half guard. Then in half guard u can hip down to look for the mount. That's cool IMO.
      As for submissions, I think it needs a huge revamp. This is the biggest concern for me. It's almost impossible to submit in expert without cheesing lev kicks and wearing down ur opponent. On the flip side, a submission by the computer on expert almost guarantees a tap no matter what ur energy level or experience. Plus I may have seen a huge hole in the sub mechanics. Against machida on expert I was owning him on the stand up so he took me down. From there he put me into a kimura I believe but I was able to break out. However, my stamina was low so I sat in his half guard till I gained it back. But his stamina recovered faster than mine and before mine could top off he tried a submission again. He kept spamming subs till my stamina was so low due to lack of recovering speed then he tapped me out. Pissed I tried again and found myself in this situation again. This time I would escape the sub nd right when he let's go I would try to transition out. Unfortunately he blocked it and since transitioning takes more stamina out of u it was easier to submit me. I swear he won 4-5 matches by sub spamming which is bull**** and will totally kill this game if left in. I never tried to donut myself, but I'm gonna try tonight.
      Last edited by Ifly8o8; 05-06-2010, 02:32 PM.

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      • Ifly8o8
        Rookie
        • May 2010
        • 30

        #528
        Re: UFC 2010 Undisputed Demo Available, Post Impressions Here

        Sorry there are no breaks and spelling and grammar. I'm on my iPhone so it's a lil harder to type. Lol

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        • sb24
          MVP
          • Dec 2008
          • 3165

          #529
          Re: UFC 2010 Undisputed Demo Available, Post Impressions Here

          Originally posted by Ifly8o8
          Sorry there are no breaks and spelling and grammar. I'm on my iPhone so it's a lil harder to type. Lol
          I cant believe you had the patience to type that out from your phone. I have a full keyboard and wouldnt do that.

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          • JoeMimic
            Pro
            • Feb 2005
            • 963

            #530
            Re: UFC 2010 Undisputed Demo Available, Post Impressions Here

            I'm still annoyed on how reliant the submissions are on the stamina, I'm hoping this will be a little bit different on the full version but with how closely rated everyone is I somehow doubt it.

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            • Bad_Intentions
              All Star
              • Oct 2002
              • 5392

              #531
              Re: UFC 2010 Undisputed Demo Available, Post Impressions Here

              Agreed, submissions should be based off a combination of submission offense, submission defense of the other guy, plus position. And this shine crap is HORRIBLE, it hurts your hand and some people have broken controllers due to it. THQ has to find another way to implement submissions other than the person who spins their stick the fastest gets it...that is so stupid IMO.

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              • mikenoob
                All Star
                • Oct 2007
                • 5545

                #532
                Re: UFC 2010 Undisputed Demo Available, Post Impressions Here

                Originally posted by Bad_Intentions
                Agreed, submissions should be based off a combination of submission offense, submission defense of the other guy, plus position. And this shine crap is HORRIBLE, it hurts your hand and some people have broken controllers due to it. THQ has to find another way to implement submissions other than the person who spins their stick the fastest gets it...that is so stupid IMO.
                It definitely isn't just who spins the stick fastest. My friend can rarely pull off subs on me and he uses the palm of his hand and spins it frantically. I just stay relaxed and spin it with my thumb, but it certainly is not as fast as my friend.

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                • Stumbleweed
                  Livin' the dream
                  • Oct 2006
                  • 6279

                  #533
                  Re: UFC 2010 Undisputed Demo Available, Post Impressions Here

                  I don't mind the Shine at all, I'm good at it, and after playing the crap out of 2009, it doesn't hurt my palm anymore. I can transition quickly between controller "holds" and spin that thing like a mofo within about half a second... this game ruined me. I haven't messed with the subs enough on the demo, but I'm excited to see the possibilities with sub switching and also how the ratings play out in that battle this year.
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                  • Ifly8o8
                    Rookie
                    • May 2010
                    • 30

                    #534
                    Re: UFC 2010 Undisputed Demo Available, Post Impressions Here

                    This is what i read of an interview of one of the game designers. The submission system is based off of submission rating and stamina level. For example a fighter with a low submission rating but high stamina the game will look at his stamina level. This eliminated the need for button mashing. So if the same fighter has low stamina and then it will look at ur sub rating. This is when u shine hard if u have a low sub rating. This theory is understandable beacuse a fresh fighter is harder to submit. Also a tired fighter with high sub defense should be just as hard to submit. It's when ur tired and have low sub defense u better shine your *** off.

                    But that's not my concern. My concern is the sub spamming. Machida would put on a sub and I could break free. But my stamina was shot after. So I waited to get my stamina back but I guess machida recovers faster. So whilehes at full stamina I'm at maybe 80%. Then he would try sub again. Then I would get out and try recover again but thistime while machidas full stamina I'm at pike 70% and he would keep doing this till I'm low enough to submit me. Maybe like four sub attempts in a row till I tapped due to exhaustion from fitting it off. This is a big problem cause I can see cheesers Picking guys with fast recovery rates, taking you down and attempting subs till u tire and tapout.

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                    • SA1NT401
                      Banned
                      • Sep 2007
                      • 3498

                      #535
                      Re: UFC 2010 Undisputed Demo Available, Post Impressions Here

                      I think the "SHINE" system blows hard honestly and i was/am successful with it....Just a bad mechanic (the entire concept kills the submisson game overall for me).

                      What bothers me more is the gimped ground game and the AUTO-Block...If you arent transitioning every 2 -3 seconds or so, they either stand you up or block your attempt and push you off.

                      Seems that they want the stand-up game to be the main focus...But I have a few issues with that as well.

                      But it is a DEMO and retail will be differant...I hope....

                      Wish i never DL'd the demo honestly.

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                      • MC Fatigue
                        Banned
                        • Feb 2006
                        • 4150

                        #536
                        Re: UFC 2010 Undisputed Demo Available, Post Impressions Here

                        Originally posted by Ifly8o8
                        This is what i read of an interview of one of the game designers. The submission system is based off of submission rating and stamina level. For example a fighter with a low submission rating but high stamina the game will look at his stamina level. This eliminated the need for button mashing. So if the same fighter has low stamina and then it will look at ur sub rating. This is when u shine hard if u have a low sub rating. This theory is understandable beacuse a fresh fighter is harder to submit. Also a tired fighter with high sub defense should be just as hard to submit. It's when ur tired and have low sub defense u better shine your *** off.

                        But that's not my concern. My concern is the sub spamming. Machida would put on a sub and I could break free. But my stamina was shot after. So I waited to get my stamina back but I guess machida recovers faster. So whilehes at full stamina I'm at maybe 80%. Then he would try sub again. Then I would get out and try recover again but thistime while machidas full stamina I'm at pike 70% and he would keep doing this till I'm low enough to submit me. Maybe like four sub attempts in a row till I tapped due to exhaustion from fitting it off. This is a big problem cause I can see cheesers Picking guys with fast recovery rates, taking you down and attempting subs till u tire and tapout.
                        One of the interviews said you get a free transition after a canceled submission - so just transition to standing and you're fine.

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                        • ManiacMatt1782
                          Who? Giroux!
                          • Jul 2006
                          • 3982

                          #537
                          Re: UFC 2010 Undisputed Demo Available, Post Impressions Here

                          Originally posted by Jukeman
                          that and the big shots the cpu always throw pretty much sums up the negetives of the demo...

                          Wish the AI was more strategic and conservative when striking(This could be the reason for all the flash KO, but like someone said, I flash KO'd someone with a jab..)

                          I wish that there was a consequence to throwing big shots like a hugh loss in stamina and/or proned to get counter more easily, as of now we have neither...

                          Hopefully the AI will get tougher in the retail version, maybe the adaptive AI is turned off in the demo???
                          there is a consequence to throwing big shots. you are more suseptible to counters and in turn KO's
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                          • ManiacMatt1782
                            Who? Giroux!
                            • Jul 2006
                            • 3982

                            #538
                            Re: UFC 2010 Undisputed Demo Available, Post Impressions Here

                            those who dont want to shine, i have found another way. click and hold the right stick. wait roughly 3 seconds, and let go. if its a kimura or an armbar, you will see them crank the hold, and it occasionally works. same stamina rules apply, but if you hold too long, you will be flipped into a disadvantageous position.
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                            • MC Fatigue
                              Banned
                              • Feb 2006
                              • 4150

                              #539
                              Re: UFC 2010 Undisputed Demo Available, Post Impressions Here

                              Well this is a bit of a disappointment. I haven't tried it with anyone but Rua, but at the start of the round go to the middle and tap gloves, then use forward and X (360) for that hook, and the AI will back up to the side or something and you'll throw a few elbows and usually the 3rd or 4th one stuns your opponent. I've not yet KO'd them from that part, but it basically led to me getting into dominant position again within the next minute and KOing them.

                              I tried it against all 3 opponents; Rashad seemed the easiest. It worked every single time. Machida a few time ducked out of the way and took me down, but usually it worked on him too. Rampage it seemed fine against as well.

                              So basically there's an auto "rock the AI within 10 seconds" bit of cheese.

                              My favorite two ways to handle the first stun is with the Thai Clinch and a knee, or if they fall, RB and dive and going into the standup position and raining down punches.

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                              • Gotmadskillzson
                                Live your life
                                • Apr 2008
                                • 23439

                                #540
                                Re: UFC 2010 Undisputed Demo Available, Post Impressions Here

                                Shine sucks arse..........no way around it.......

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