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  • LingeringRegime
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    • Jun 2007
    • 17089

    #76
    Re: UFC 121 - Lesnar vs. Velasquez

    Originally posted by Vast
    After seeing this and essentially Brock went from skinny about 200 lbs to the gigantic monster that he is now in 3 years i have to assume Steroids was involved.

    I thought he was a beast his whole life. Dude was skinny as hell even in Jr. College.

    There is no way you can gain 70+ pounds of muscle in that time naturally.
    Yeah, but he had a big appetite as a kid. I mean he used to eat a whole roast by himself. /sarcasm

    Just looking at the guy the first thing that pops into your head is steroids. He was a pro wrestler for a while, so I think it is pretty much a given that he has used. I would venture to say that most fighters have used though. Maybe not BJ Penn.

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    • ex carrabba fan
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      • Oct 2004
      • 32744

      #77
      Re: UFC 121 - Lesnar vs. Velasquez

      Originally posted by DEFTFUNDAMENTALZ
      Yeah, but he had a big appetite as a kid. I mean he used to eat a whole roast by himself. /sarcasm

      Just looking at the guy the first thing that pops into your head is steroids. He was a pro wrestler for a while, so I think it is pretty much a given that he has used. I would venture to say that most fighters have used though. Maybe not BJ Penn.
      LMAO at your first sarcastic comment. That part in the video had me. Hahahha

      As to the steroids topic, the thing I don't understand is how is he still that gigantic? I'm in the boat where I assume he used roids in the WWE and maybe even at Minnesota [where he looked like a damn animal]. But when he transitioned to the UFC I would also assume he'd have to get off the roids, at least not take as many or as much meaning his body should have "shrunk" a bit... right?

      When I saw the workout vid of him doing crunches and his trainer sitting on him.... I almost didn't believe Brock was human. Guy is as big as a damn bear with all of those muscles. His trainer just looked tiny.....

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      • ex carrabba fan
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        • Oct 2004
        • 32744

        #78
        Re: UFC 121 - Lesnar vs. Velasquez

        Originally posted by aholbert32
        Who says Cain has more power than Mir? Mir Ko'd Kongo standing which Cain couldnt do (Cain dominated the fight on the ground except for getting caught by Kongo). Cain has only had one UFC where his standup lead to a victory (Nog). The rest were takedowns and Cain using ground and pound to get a stoppage. So saying Cain has finished all his fights with punches is true but its beside the point if Cain is using his wrestling to get KO stoppages. That's a different kind of power than we are talking about.
        Missed this one Aaron, but I would definitely wager that Cain has more power than Mir. Either way, why put so much stock into single fights? If Cain and Kongo fought 10 times I would wager Cain would catch Kongo multiple times, he just didn't happen to "finish" that night.

        I understand where you're coming from but I think you place too much emphasis on single fights. Based on Cain's track record I believe he is capable of catching Brock with his shaky stand up. Obviously we might not see Cain throwing Brock around like he did Kongo but I could see Brock being stunned by one of many Cain strikes... leading to GnP finish like Carwin couldn't do.

        Cain likes to throw and Brock better be ready for that. Like I said Cain might not have that one punch sleeper but he's got enough to stun/buckle anyone in the world and he has the cardio to keep coming whether in the stand up with knees/punches or on the ground.

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        • aholbert32
          (aka Alberto)
          • Jul 2002
          • 33106

          #79
          Re: UFC 121 - Lesnar vs. Velasquez

          Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
          Missed this one Aaron, but I would definitely wager that Cain has more power than Mir. Either way, why put so much stock into single fights? If Cain and Kongo fought 10 times I would wager Cain would catch Kongo multiple times, he just didn't happen to "finish" that night.

          I understand where you're coming from but I think you place too much emphasis on single fights. Based on Cain's track record I believe he is capable of catching Brock with his shaky stand up. Obviously we might not see Cain throwing Brock around like he did Kongo but I could see Brock being stunned by one of many Cain strikes... leading to GnP finish like Carwin couldn't do.

          Cain likes to throw and Brock better be ready for that. Like I said Cain might not have that one punch sleeper but he's got enough to stun/buckle anyone in the world and he has the cardio to keep coming whether in the stand up with knees/punches or on the ground.
          The fights are the only thing that I can put emphasis on because its all we have to judge how someone might perform. If anything, people are putting too much emphasis on the Nog fight. Cain never showed incredible standup before that fight and never finished anyone standing before that fight.

          Also looking at the Carwin fight....Shane didnt gas until the very end of the first. He spent 3 minutes pounding on Brock and almost stopped him several times. Brock did a decent job defending himself and the ref held back from calling the fight when he had a few opportunities to do it. I dont see how Cain would have stopped him in the first. If anything Carwin's constant pressure was the reason the fight was almost stopped.

          Now I totally agree that in round 2 Carwin was gone and Cain would not be gassed in that position.

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          • PolkHigh33
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            • Jun 2010
            • 233

            #80
            Re: UFC 121 - Lesnar vs. Velasquez

            Originally posted by Stumbleweed
            Has anyone really tested Cain's chin? I can't remember seeing him get rocked by anyone really, but I'm not the "mental snapshot" type who remembers those sorts of things really. Unless he has a suspect chin, I don't think Brock will drop him standing in the least... vice-versa if anything. I do think that Brock is probably just too big and will overwhelm him on the ground if it gets there, but I like Cain in this fight for some reason... just got that feeling. So much so I'll probably go stick $50 on him or so and see what happens.
            Cain was almost dropped 3 times by Kongo .. hell if Kongo hit him once more afterwards that fight would have been over, Cain was out on his feet ..

            I love both fighters, but Lesnar is too much of a beast ..

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            • redsrule
              All Star
              • Apr 2010
              • 9396

              #81
              Re: UFC 121 - Lesnar vs. Velasquez

              Originally posted by aholbert32
              The fights are the only thing that I can put emphasis on because its all we have to judge how someone might perform. If anything, people are putting too much emphasis on the Nog fight. Cain never showed incredible standup before that fight and never finished anyone standing before that fight.

              Also looking at the Carwin fight....Shane didnt gas until the very end of the first. He spent 3 minutes pounding on Brock and almost stopped him several times. Brock did a decent job defending himself and the ref held back from calling the fight when he had a few opportunities to do it. I dont see how Cain would have stopped him in the first. If anything Carwin's constant pressure was the reason the fight was almost stopped.

              Now I totally agree that in round 2 Carwin was gone and Cain would not be gassed in that position.
              Brock did just enough to survive. On sherdog it is so funny how many Brock haters there are and always find a way to say he will lose ever fight
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              • Vast
                MVP
                • Sep 2003
                • 4015

                #82
                Re: UFC 121 - Lesnar vs. Velasquez

                Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                LMAO at your first sarcastic comment. That part in the video had me. Hahahha

                As to the steroids topic, the thing I don't understand is how is he still that gigantic? I'm in the boat where I assume he used roids in the WWE and maybe even at Minnesota [where he looked like a damn animal]. But when he transitioned to the UFC I would also assume he'd have to get off the roids, at least not take as many or as much meaning his body should have "shrunk" a bit... right?

                When I saw the workout vid of him doing crunches and his trainer sitting on him.... I almost didn't believe Brock was human. Guy is as big as a damn bear with all of those muscles. His trainer just looked tiny.....
                Maybe even at Minnesota?
                In Jr. College he was still skinny but starting to gain muscle. It just so happens to be when he starts to win his matches.
                The amount of muscle he put on in between Jr. College and his senior year at Minnesota is astronomical. He was as big then as he was when he was in the WWE.
                I'm just surprised becAuse he wears that size soo well I just
                assumed he was always kinda big.
                To think I couldve possibly been as big as him if I took steroids is crazy, since I was as big as him in high school.
                Well I'm gonna be cheering for Cain.
                Should be a good fight.
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                • ex carrabba fan
                  I'll thank him for you
                  • Oct 2004
                  • 32744

                  #83
                  Re: UFC 121 - Lesnar vs. Velasquez

                  Yeah he was gigantic at Minny, no debate here.

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                  • ManiacMatt1782
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                    • Jul 2006
                    • 3982

                    #84
                    Re: UFC 121 - Lesnar vs. Velasquez

                    Originally posted by Vast
                    Maybe even at Minnesota?
                    In Jr. College he was still skinny but starting to gain muscle. It just so happens to be when he starts to win his matches.
                    The amount of muscle he put on in between Jr. College and his senior year at Minnesota is astronomical. He was as big then as he was when he was in the WWE.
                    I'm just surprised becAuse he wears that size soo well I just
                    assumed he was always kinda big.
                    To think I couldve possibly been as big as him if I took steroids is crazy, since I was as big as him in high school.
                    Well I'm gonna be cheering for Cain.
                    Should be a good fight.
                    steroids do not equal size. steroids decrease recovery time so they can lift more frequently, and not have to allow the muscles to heal. plus musles grow faster after frequen workouts, so you have to work hard with steroids still some might say harder because the reason you take steroids is to workout more frequently.
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                    • MizzouBravesFan
                      MVP
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 2489

                      #85
                      Re: UFC 121 - Lesnar vs. Velasquez

                      Brock looks like a friggin' beast...like he and Morgan both said on Primetime tonight, I don't get the entire "take him to deep waters" strategy everyone seems to want to implement against him, his cardio is there.

                      I think Cain's going to have to catch him early on the feet or Brock will take him down and GNP him.

                      Also, Dave Camarillo is a gigantic douche...can't stand that guy.
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                      • aholbert32
                        (aka Alberto)
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 33106

                        #86
                        Re: UFC 121 - Lesnar vs. Velasquez

                        Originally posted by MizzouBravesFan
                        Brock looks like a friggin' beast...like he and Morgan both said on Primetime tonight, I don't get the entire "take him to deep waters" strategy everyone seems to want to implement against him, his cardio is there.

                        I think Cain's going to have to catch him early on the feet or Brock will take him down and GNP him.

                        Also, Dave Camarillo is a gigantic douche...can't stand that guy.
                        Exactly. He's been in the same number of 3 round fights as Cain (1) and he didnt looked gassed at all against Herring.

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                        • RoyalBoyle78
                          Aka."Footballforever"
                          • May 2003
                          • 23918

                          #87
                          Re: UFC 121 - Lesnar vs. Velasquez

                          I say that Velasquez wins by K.O in second round.
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                          • Phobia
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Jan 2008
                            • 11623

                            #88
                            Re: UFC 121 - Lesnar vs. Velasquez

                            Brock is truly a specimen of a modern warrior. He moves like a 190 pound man. The speed and quickness he has for someone of his size is actually jaw dropping to watch. He is one scary scary human being.

                            Put him on a ancient battle field with a shield and sword. You could see where stories of "men part human part god" got created in that time period. He would strike fear in most people. Someone with his size, strength, and power is truly special.

                            Imagine Brock in this kind of attire and you could get idea of how people would of viewed him at that time.




                            Put him in this kind of armor, he would be scary
                            Last edited by Phobia; 10-14-2010, 11:50 AM.

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                            • redsrule
                              All Star
                              • Apr 2010
                              • 9396

                              #89
                              Re: UFC 121 - Lesnar vs. Velasquez

                              Originally posted by FootballForever
                              I say that Velasquez wins by K.O in second round.
                              If Carwin cant ko him, i doubt Cain will. I have Brock either dropping him or getting him down and finishing him.
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                              • DJ
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Apr 2003
                                • 17756

                                #90
                                Re: UFC 121 - Lesnar vs. Velasquez

                                Originally posted by MizzouBravesFan
                                Brock looks like a friggin' beast...like he and Morgan both said on Primetime tonight, I don't get the entire "take him to deep waters" strategy everyone seems to want to implement against him, his cardio is there.

                                I think Cain's going to have to catch him early on the feet or Brock will take him down and GNP him.

                                Also, Dave Camarillo is a gigantic douche...can't stand that guy.
                                Agreed. Brock is probably one of the better, if not the best, conditioned heavyweights in the UFC. Like Phobia said, Lesnar is just so agile and powerful that it's almost hard to comprehend. Usually you are either one or the other but Brock has both.

                                Camarillo is annoying. He's trying to be the poor man's Greg Jackson and isn't doing a good job at it.

                                I think Lesnar wins this and it will end early.
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