UFC 123 - Rampage Vs Machida - Penn v. Hughes 3

[redsrule]

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Pretty solid card.

I didn't find the Machida/Jackson match boring. I would like to see Jackson face the winner of Jones/Bader in a number one contender's match.

Does Parisyan work out? He was cut after the event but Griffin survived the chopping block.

I thought the "youtube sensation" person was a chick until I did some research.

I thought the match was okay. Griffin survived because Dana said that it was a BS decision, while Karo got destroyed in 2 minutes.

[JerseySuave4]

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I was suprised to see him at all. Far as I knew he had already been cut and wasn't welcome back after pulling out 2 days before the fight he was supposed to have when he came back from suspension.

Yup: http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Upd...-UFC-106-21058

maybe Paul Daley has a shot at getting back to the UFC after all. Time heals all wounds. Lifetime bans should only be done on the extreme cases. Or at least saying someone wont be fighting in the UFC again is extreme unless its someone like Chuck where you refuse to let him fight for his own safety.

[aholbert32]

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maybe Paul Daley has a shot at getting back to the UFC after all. Time heals all wounds. Lifetime bans should only be done on the extreme cases. Or at least saying someone wont be fighting in the UFC again is extreme unless its someone like Chuck where you refuse to let him fight for his own safety.

Dana is known to change his mind but what Daley did was much worse than Karo. Also Karo had the the track record of putting on classic fights before hsi breakdown.

[Sandman42]

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http://www.mmafighting.com/2010/11/22/early-end-to-first-round-cost-maiquel-falcao-at-ufc-123/

Looks like Falcao wasn't wrong in holding that choke.

[PBlast]

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http://www.mmafighting.com/2010/11/2...ao-at-ufc-123/

Looks like Falcao wasn't wrong in holding that choke.

Wow! That had to have been rigged, there's no way they stopped the clock THAT early by accident.

[jeremym480]

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If Griffin beats Franklin don't be surprised to see a rematch with Rampage just because it would equal lots of money.

Rashad, who I believe is going to get the title back from Shogun, would also do big money with either a rematch with Forrest or Rampage for the title.

Personally, I do think Rampage deserves a shot just yet, IMO. Sure he lost his belt in a close decision and in today's UFC he would probably get an immediate rematch. However, since he's lost the title what has he really done? He KO'd Wandy and got past Jardine but, both those guys haven't looked that great as of late. Then he took a year off and looked terrible in his next two fight's (losing one convincingly and barley getting the decision in his last fight). So, IMO he needs one more signature win to get that shot at the title.

If it were up to me, if the winner of Bader/Jones wins in convincing fashion I would give them the shot at the winner of Rua/Evans. Then I would have the winner of Forrest/Franklin fight Page for the next shot at the title. If the Bader/Jones winner wins in a close fight then I would just go ahead and have that winner vs. Page for the #1 contender. I'm not sure how all of that works out timing wise but, it seems logical on the surface.

[aholbert32]

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Personally, I do think Rampage deserves a shot just yet, IMO. Sure he lost his belt in a close decision and in today's UFC he would probably get an immediate rematch. However, since he's lost the title what has he really done? He KO'd Wandy and got past Jardine but, both those guys haven't looked that great as of late. Then he took a year off and looked terrible in his next two fight's (losing one convincingly and barley getting the decision in his last fight). So, IMO he needs one more signature win to get that shot at the title.

If it were up to me, if the winner of Bader/Jones wins in convincing fashion I would give them the shot at the winner of Rua/Evans. Then I would have the winner of Forrest/Franklin fight Page for the next shot at the title. If the Bader/Jones winner wins in a close fight then I would just go ahead and have that winner vs. Page for the #1 contender. I'm not sure how all of that works out timing wise but, it seems logical on the surface.

I'm sorry but the guy is 3-1 since losing the belt. He beat Jardine after Keith just beat Vera and Chuck. Those names may not mean much but they did when Jardine fought them. He beat Wandy after he beat Jardine and had a war with Chuck. Most people had Wandy as a favorite. Now he beats a top 3 LHW and you want him to win another fight before he gets a shot?

GSP lost his belt and it took 1 win to get another shot.
Evans lost it and got another shot after 2.
Penn got an immediate rematch.
Mir got a #1 contenders fight after beating Kongo.

I also dont know how you could justify giving Jones/Bader a shot of Rampage. Jones biggest win is against Vera. Bader's is against Jardine. Now the winner of a fight between them gets a shot at the belt? Neither one of them have a win over a top 5 LHW. How does that equal a title shot?

[jeremym480]

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I'm sorry but the guy is 3-1 since losing the belt. He beat Jardine after Keith just beat Vera and Chuck. Those names may not mean much but they did when Jardine fought them. He beat Wandy after he beat Jardine and had a war with Chuck. Most people had Wandy as a favorite. Now he beats a top 3 LHW and you want him to win another fight before he gets a shot?

GSP lost his belt and it took 1 win to get another shot.
Evans lost it and got another shot after 2.
Penn got an immediate rematch.
Mir got a #1 contenders fight after beating Kongo.

I also dont know how you could justify giving Jones/Bader a shot of Rampage. Jones biggest win is against Vera. Bader's is against Jardine. Now the winner of a fight between them gets a shot at the belt? Neither one of them have a win over a top 5 LHW. How does that equal a title shot?

The biggest difference to me is that none of those guys took a year off to go pursue their acting career. In my eyes he took a step back and lost his title shot when backed out of the PPV in Memphis. If he would have beaten Rashad then he deserved it. But he didn't so, now he needs to earn his shot like everyone else. He hasn't looked like the Rampage of old in his last two fights. Not even close. But, you're right though Bader and Jones probably haven't done enough either. So let Page take on the winner of that fight to determine the #1 contender.

[Sandman42]

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Gerald Harris was cut. Slam against Dave Branch aside, I really have no idea what he was doing in his last 2 fights. The first 2 rounds against Branch were them pawing at each other and against Falcao he was content to stare at him down 2-0 in the 3rd round and then question why Falcao isn't coming in an attacking him when he should be the aggressor.

[nyj721]

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Gerald Harris was cut. Slam against Dave Branch aside, I really have no idea what he was doing in his last 2 fights. The first 2 rounds against Branch were them pawing at each other and against Falcao he was content to stare at him down 2-0 in the 3rd round and then question why Falcao isn't coming in an attacking him when he should be the aggressor.

I think he was scared of Falcao after that first flurry he landed and after the choke at the end of round 1. I was loling when Harris was like "he held that choke too long" when the ref was talking to him after the round.

[BlueNGold]

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Gerald Harris was cut. Slam against Dave Branch aside, I really have no idea what he was doing in his last 2 fights. The first 2 rounds against Branch were them pawing at each other and against Falcao he was content to stare at him down 2-0 in the 3rd round and then question why Falcao isn't coming in an attacking him when he should be the aggressor.

Good to hear. He was garbage.

[VanCitySportsGuy]

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I find the MW division to be pretty thin so I don't like Harris getting cut.
I don't think it's fair to cut a guy that is 3-1 in the UFC (with 2 bonuses).

[aholbert32]

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I find the MW division to be pretty thin so I don't like Harris getting cut.
I don't think it's fair to cut a guy that is 3-1 in the UFC (with 2 bonuses).

I dont know if its that thin. Sonnen, Silva, Belfort and Okami at the top. Marquardt, Bisping, Munoz, Maia, Leben and Belcher in the middle.


The only problem is Silva has beat half of these guys.

[TheShizNo1]

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I dont know if its that thin. Sonnen, Silva, Belfort and Okami at the top. Marquardt, Bisping, Munoz, Maia, Leben and Belcher in the middle.


The only problem is Silva has beat half of these guys.

Exactly, take out Silva and you have a pretty competitive division.

[JerseySuave4]

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I'm sorry but the guy is 3-1 since losing the belt. He beat Jardine after Keith just beat Vera and Chuck. Those names may not mean much but they did when Jardine fought them. He beat Wandy after he beat Jardine and had a war with Chuck. Most people had Wandy as a favorite. Now he beats a top 3 LHW and you want him to win another fight before he gets a shot?

GSP lost his belt and it took 1 win to get another shot.
Evans lost it and got another shot after 2.
Penn got an immediate rematch.
Mir got a #1 contenders fight after beating Kongo.

I also dont know how you could justify giving Jones/Bader a shot of Rampage. Jones biggest win is against Vera. Bader's is against Jardine. Now the winner of a fight between them gets a shot at the belt? Neither one of them have a win over a top 5 LHW. How does that equal a title shot?

i agree 100%

The biggest difference to me is that none of those guys took a year off to go pursue their acting career. In my eyes he took a step back and lost his title shot when backed out of the PPV in Memphis. If he would have beaten Rashad then he deserved it. But he didn't so, now he needs to earn his shot like everyone else. He hasn't looked like the Rampage of old in his last two fights. Not even close. But, you're right though Bader and Jones probably haven't done enough either. So let Page take on the winner of that fight to determine the #1 contender.

so what? You think if Brock took a year off after this loss that he wouldn't get a titleshot after 1 or 2 wins? Same for Silva.

Bader and Jones have not done enough to get a title shot. They haven't beaten and fought the gaunlet of guys Rampage has had to. Plus a Rampage/Rashad 2 (with 5 rounds instead of 3) or a Rampage/Rua (rematch of an old Pride fight) would sell many more PPVs than a Rashad/Jones-Bader or Rua/Jones-Bader.

You make the winner of that fight go against Machida in a fight that Machida would need to get back in the title hunt, and Jones/Bader can put a big name on their record. Then the winner of that fight goes against the loser of Evans/Rua.