UFC 123 - Rampage Vs Machida - Penn v. Hughes 3

[jeremym480]

Re: UFC 123 - Rampage Vs Machida - Penn v. Hughes 3

If Brock went back to wrestling for a year came back to the UFC lost his first fight, then barley won his next one and looked mediocre in both fights. Then no, I don't think we would deserve a title shot. If he dominated and finished both fights then he would get the shot no doubt in my mind.

Either way, I don't see Rampage getting past Jones, Bader, Rua or Rashad. Not unless he get's it together.

[JerseySuave4]

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If Brock went back to wrestling for a year came back to the UFC lost his first fight, then barley won his next one and looked mediocre in both fights. Then no, I don't think we would deserve a title shot. If he dominated and finished both fights then he would get the shot no doubt in my mind.

Either way, I don't see Rampage getting past Jones, Bader, Rua or Rashad. Not unless he get's it together.

it doesnt help when the 2 guys he fought really didnt want to get in a fight. Rashad basically held him against the cage the whole fight and Machida ran around for most of the fight. Yes Rampage has turned into basically a boxer with the way he fights but in both of his losses he wasnt dominated or really beaten up.

[Sandman42]

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it doesnt help when the 2 guys he fought really didnt want to get in a fight. Rashad basically held him against the cage the whole fight and Machida ran around for most of the fight. Yes Rampage has turned into basically a boxer with the way he fights but in both of his losses he wasnt dominated or really beaten up.

Wrestling and Machida's elusive style are fine ways to fight. Not everyone has to come forward, throw strikes, and get their brains bashed in for it to be a fight.

If Rampage can't stop Rashad's takedowns or throw kicks to stop Machida from circling away from punches then its his fault.

[nyj721]

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Wrestling and Machida's elusive style are fine ways to fight. Not everyone has to come forward, throw strikes, and get their brains bashed in for it to be a fight.

If Rampage can't stop Rashad's takedowns or throw kicks to stop Machida from circling away from punches then its his fault.

Thats my problem with most fighters today. They are content to win 2 rounds and do nothing for the third when they could finish the fight. I'm not saying everybody needs to be Chris Leben or Forest Griffin, but if your a counter strike, would it really hurt to strike a little more if you can finish it.

[Phillmattic]

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Thats my problem with most fighters today. They are content to win 2 rounds and do nothing for the third when they could finish the fight. I'm not saying everybody needs to be Chris Leben or Forest Griffin, but if your a counter strike, would it really hurt to strike a little more if you can finish it.

Well you could possibly lose. Which I'm thinking might hurt a little.

[jeremym480]

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Personally, I think fighters who think they a 2-0 lead have plenty of intensive to go "all in" in the 3rd. Bonuses for Fight of the Night, KO of the Night, Sub of the Night plus, the Judges sometimes don't see the things the way they should. All of those and putting on a good show for Dana, Joe and the fans would be worth the risk, IMO.

[Phillmattic]

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Personally, I think fighters who think they a 2-0 lead have plenty of intensive to go "all in" in the 3rd. Bonuses for Fight of the Night, KO of the Night, Sub of the Night plus, the Judges sometimes don't see the things the way they should. All of those and putting on a good show for Dana, Joe and the fans would be worth the risk, IMO.

Depends on the situation, none of those bonuses are guaranteed and you could also be on the receiving end of two of those bonuses(and by receiving I mean being the dude that got KO'd or submitted in the last round of a fight you could have easily won by fighting more cautiously) PLUS lose your win bonus AND being kept on the lower tier of the UFC ladder not to mention being less marketable overall.

And it can be devastating for a fighter with no name like Falcao who can be easily cut.

[TheShizNo1]

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It's no different than having a lead in football and sitting on the run afterward. Sometimes it backfires, sometimes it works. I will never get mad at a fighter for being cautious w/ a 2-0 lead. Now the guys that's down 0-2, yes, he needs to go balls to the wall.

[Phillmattic]

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If Brock went back to wrestling for a year came back to the UFC lost his first fight, then barley won his next one and looked mediocre in both fights. Then no, I don't think we would deserve a title shot. If he dominated and finished both fights then he would get the shot no doubt in my mind.

Either way, I don't see Rampage getting past Jones, Bader, Rua or Rashad. Not unless he get's it together.

I understand where you're coming from, but as aholbert already did a great job of pointing out, it doesn't really work that way.

There is really no reason to make the biggest name in the division, who is a former champion that has fought almost all championship fights and championship caliber opponents, take a backseat to two up and comers whos' most significant opponent between the two of them is lil Nog.

[nyj721]

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Well you could possibly lose. Which I'm thinking might hurt a little.

But that can go both ways though, like Fitch is 13-1 in the UFC and has been on a 5 fight winning streak, but Dana is very hesitant to give him another title shot because he can't finish a fight. So you can win that way but there is almost no incentive in doing so.

[JerseySuave4]

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Rampage says he wants to fight James Toney next because Toney has been talking a lot of **** about him and they used to be cool with one another. When he said it while he was a guest on InsideMMA i think it was Bas that said "no you don't" right after because he knows its a waste of time and a giant step back. Hopefully Joe Silva & Dana White aren't dumb enough to put that fight together and put Rampage in a fight that could actually help his career than one that could ruin it. Rampage says he would fight Toney and not like Couture did, but lets say Rampage knocks him out... no one would be impressed so it does nothing to help him. Lets say Toney knocks Rampage out... Rampage pretty much ends any chance at getting his belt back because if he thought the climb back to a title shot was hard after losing to Forest, it would be twice as hard if he lost to Toney.

[BlueNGold]

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Yeah, there's absolutely no point to that fight. Rampage gains nothing and could lose everything.

I think Dana and Joe are smart enough to avoid that fight.

[jeremym480]

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Any MMA fighter fighting Toney is in a lose/lose situation as far as I'm concerned.

[Gibbz]

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Any MMA fighter fighting Toney is in a lose/lose situation as far as I'm concerned.

Especially if they wanna stand and bang with him like Rampage says.

[Scoop_Brady]

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I thought Dana already said that Toney would never fight in the UFC again. No way this happens.