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  • TheShizNo1
    Asst 2 the Comm Manager
    • Mar 2007
    • 26341

    #61
    Anyway to catch a replay?

    The "boring" GSP stuff is very overblown. I remember watching that Hardy fight and couldn't believe Hardy wouldn't tap. I also don't see him being boring w/ this personal vendetta he's got w/ Diaz.
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    • Pappy Knuckles
      LORDTHUNDERBIRD
      • Sep 2004
      • 15966

      #62
      Re: UFC 158 - GSP v. Diaz & Condit v. McDonald 2 - Montreal - March 16

      Listening to this now. Wow, GSP got serious as **** when Nick started talking about him being pampered. "Let me tell you something uneducated fool." This **** just got awesome lol.
      Last edited by Pappy Knuckles; 03-07-2013, 09:19 PM.

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      • Pappy Knuckles
        LORDTHUNDERBIRD
        • Sep 2004
        • 15966

        #63
        Re: UFC 158 - GSP v. Diaz & Condit v. McDonald 2 - Montreal - March 16

        Originally posted by TheShizNo1
        Anyway to catch a replay?

        The "boring" GSP stuff is very overblown. I remember watching that Hardy fight and couldn't believe Hardy wouldn't tap. I also don't see him being boring w/ this personal vendetta he's got w/ Diaz.
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        • jfRED33
          a Coors Light in my hand
          • Jul 2011
          • 491

          #64
          Re: UFC 158 - GSP v. Diaz &amp; Condit v. McDonald 2 - Montreal - March 16

          First of all, GOAT conference call.

          Dana: "No shocker we can't find Nick Diaz as soon as we do we'll let you know"
          Nick: "HELLO??... ****er" (listen close, he says it)

          "uneducated foohhll" HAHAHA

          Ariel Hel-WINNI!

          HAHA that soccer mom story had me ****in dyinggggg

          Diaz: "if anything I'm the super hero coming in with the anti-bull ****. This is MMA, but this is something boring *** **** we've been watching lately."

          When GSP said "I started from the bottom" He better come out to that now.
          Chicks dig the long ball.

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          #FEARAMEER
          #BEATIOWA

          BE ROYAL IN 2015!
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          • ManiacMatt1782
            Who? Giroux!
            • Jul 2006
            • 3982

            #65
            Re: UFC 158 - GSP v. Diaz &amp; Condit v. McDonald 2 - Montreal - March 16

            Originally posted by aholbert32
            I love chaos so part of me wants to see Diaz win and Dana go crazy trying to keep this guy under control. He's insane and I dont think we've ever had a clinically insane UFC champion.
            Tito Ortiz?
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            • ManiacMatt1782
              Who? Giroux!
              • Jul 2006
              • 3982

              #66
              Re: UFC 158 - GSP v. Diaz &amp; Condit v. McDonald 2 - Montreal - March 16

              Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
              Diaz thinks he's a prophet now. Lol

              Dana aint gonna be able to control Diaz as champ. His only hope is that being champ medicates Diaz and that being champ is enough to sort of calm Diaz down.
              He was champ in strikeforce and was involved in a huge post fight melee. throwing a sucker punch at miller who he ducked.
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              • aholbert32
                (aka Alberto)
                • Jul 2002
                • 33106

                #67
                Re: UFC 158 - GSP v. Diaz &amp; Condit v. McDonald 2 - Montreal - March 16

                Originally posted by ManiacMatt1782
                Tito Ortiz?
                Nah. It was always about the money and press for Tito. He loved going to press conferences and talking to the press. He wasnt crazy like Diaz.

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                • ex carrabba fan
                  I'll thank him for you
                  • Oct 2004
                  • 32744

                  #68
                  Re: UFC 158 - GSP v. Diaz &amp; Condit v. McDonald 2 - Montreal - March 16

                  Originally posted by ManiacMatt1782
                  He was champ in strikeforce and was involved in a huge post fight melee. throwing a sucker punch at miller who he ducked.
                  True, but that was a completely different situation. I'm talking about Diaz' lack of interest in doing press and promotion. As well as showing up to scheduled meetings.

                  In regards to the melee, you had Miller instigating and you had a large amount of guys in the cage. Strikeforce was asking for something to happen. The UFC would never allow that foolishness to ever pop off.

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                  • p_rushing
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Feb 2004
                    • 14514

                    #69
                    Re: UFC 158 - GSP v. Diaz &amp; Condit v. McDonald 2 - Montreal - March 16

                    Did Diaz say he thinks they should take the elbows out of the UFC? Does he want this to be Boxing and BJJ only?

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                    • aholbert32
                      (aka Alberto)
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 33106

                      #70
                      Re: UFC 158 - GSP v. Diaz &amp; Condit v. McDonald 2 - Montreal - March 16

                      Originally posted by p_rushing
                      Did Diaz say he thinks they should take the elbows out of the UFC? Does he want this to be Boxing and BJJ only?
                      Strikeforce didnt have grounded elbows. Same with Pride. Some people think they serve no purpose other than cutting people.

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                      • ex carrabba fan
                        I'll thank him for you
                        • Oct 2004
                        • 32744

                        #71
                        Re: UFC 158 - GSP v. Diaz &amp; Condit v. McDonald 2 - Montreal - March 16

                        I'm confused about the rules on elbows, didn't Strikeforce end up allowing grounded elbows? If I recall Gilbert Melendez, Diaz' teammate, used vicious grounded elbows on Kawjuri all fight long.

                        I see Diaz' point about this:

                        Diaz on MMA scoring and winning fights: “Everybody wants to be like GSP and overcome the technical aspect by being stronger and more explosive, and beating you to the punch in the scoring for five minutes. That’s not really what martial arts is about. This is MMA, and that’s what fans want to see. People want to see real skill level, real boxing and real jiu-jitsu mixed up. They don’t just want to see five minutes of holding.”
                        I realize wrestling is a part of MMA but I think at some point it becomes something else than a fight. AND again, this is NOT speaking about GSP. Just in general, the scoring of the sport and the nature of it.
                        Last edited by ex carrabba fan; 03-08-2013, 02:48 PM.

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                        • aholbert32
                          (aka Alberto)
                          • Jul 2002
                          • 33106

                          #72
                          Re: UFC 158 - GSP v. Diaz &amp; Condit v. McDonald 2 - Montreal - March 16

                          Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                          I'm confused about the rules on elbows, didn't Strikeforce end up allowing grounded elbows? If I recall Gilbert Melendez, Diaz' teammate, used vicious grounded elbows on Kawjuri all fight long.

                          I see Diaz' point about this:



                          I realize wrestling is a part of MMA but I think at some point it becomes something else than a fight. AND again, this is NOT speaking about GSP. Just in general, the scoring of the sport and the nature of it.
                          Zuffa purchased SF before the Diaz/Daley card (the card the Kawajiri fight was on). When they made the purchase, they switched the rules from the SF rules to the unified rules which allow elbows. I only remember this because in EA MMA, you could not use grounded elbows in SF.

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                          • allBthere
                            All Star
                            • Jan 2008
                            • 5847

                            #73
                            Re: UFC 158 - GSP v. Diaz &amp; Condit v. McDonald 2 - Montreal - March 16

                            Originally posted by ex carrabba fan
                            I'm confused about the rules on elbows, didn't Strikeforce end up allowing grounded elbows? If I recall Gilbert Melendez, Diaz' teammate, used vicious grounded elbows on Kawjuri all fight long.

                            I see Diaz' point about this:



                            I realize wrestling is a part of MMA but I think at some point it becomes something else than a fight. AND again, this is NOT speaking about GSP. Just in general, the scoring of the sport and the nature of it.
                            I agree with you and I'm a big GSP fan as well (or at least acknowledge you're not attacking him regarding this issue). I think GSP tries to finish fights and sometimes too hard winging punches like via shields but it's a fine line. Edgar vs Penn was a standing point match, and there have been MANY wrestlers who simply neutralize the opponent but meanwhile do absolute zero in the fight. A couple of Bader fights come to mind when he was newer. Guida has had a couple of fights where he is a "blanket" ...

                            The knee-jerk reaction often is "well every fight can't be a slug-fest" and make it seem like people complaining about too much 'neutralizing' simply don't know MMA which is total BS. Almost everyone would agree takedowns are weighed much too heavily even when absolutely nothing is done with it. Most wrestling takedowns on their own do minimal to no damage.

                            So a change in scoring could actually curtail that strategy a bit. It's a reason I would like to see legalized up-kicks to a grounded opponent and I've said that many times as well as the whole putting your hand on the mat while in a position to be kneed solely to make it illegal for your opponent to knee you ie, manipulating the rules in a way to your benefit even though this was not the way they were intended to affect bouts. In the first case though, if you're taking me down and I'm down and you're smothering me and I create some separation - why in the hell can't I kick you in the face and try to knock you unconscious? Because we're on the ground? And that matters because? YOu brought me there, and I should be able to take advantage of any separation I can cause, especially to stop you from 'neutralizing' .

                            So that's my tangent!

                            But in the end, show me when GSP stops working in a fight and just holds someone down - he's usually trying to strike or work a sub. He's in a tough spot though for some fans because he simply lacks that firepower to KO someone for the most part - but what he does do almost 100% of the time is beat his opponent to a pulp where they feel it for weeks afterwards and dominates them the whole way.

                            In the end if GSP is able to beat Nick and finish him, I still see Nick not giving him any respect and making some crazy babble rant about how it was BS.
                            Liquor in the front, poker in the rear.

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                            • TheShizNo1
                              Asst 2 the Comm Manager
                              • Mar 2007
                              • 26341

                              #74
                              Great posts Ex and AllBthere. Go back to the pride yellow and red cards. Or like the Bushido cards in which action was strongly encouraged.
                              Originally posted by Mo
                              Just once I'd like to be the one they call a jerk off.
                              Originally posted by Mo
                              You underestimate my laziness
                              Originally posted by Mo
                              **** ya


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                              • allBthere
                                All Star
                                • Jan 2008
                                • 5847

                                #75
                                Re: UFC 158 - GSP v. Diaz &amp; Condit v. McDonald 2 - Montreal - March 16

                                Originally posted by TheShizNo1
                                Great posts Ex and AllBthere. Go back to the pride yellow and red cards. Or like the Bushido cards in which action was strongly encouraged.
                                I'd be down with that - and also maybe pride was on to something not scoring rounds and just taking the fight as a whole and saying "who won the fight?" I'm not a 100% sure I want that, but if it makes the judging less sucky and promotes more 'fighting' than why not...

                                The cards though might be enough on their own, it would impact the way fighters train too because their coaches would get it in their mind during sparing which would then translate to the octagon I would think.
                                Liquor in the front, poker in the rear.

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