The OS WWE 'Dirt' Thread

[daniel77733]

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We all want to watch wrestlers wrestle, but that's not WWE's business 100%. They are about entertaining, hence the E in WWE, which involves storylines, characters and wrestling and combining them into one thing known as the WWE. Just forcing guys who are the best technical wrestlers doesn't cut it, because if there is no story, why should we care? If we wanted to watch pure wrestling, that's pretty much what ROH is.

Yeah, I know. And thats why the majority of wrestling fans stopped watching WWE when WCW and ECW died. Think about it, Raw and Nitro used to get over 10.0 ratings on a weekly basis. Now, WWE is lucky to get 5.0 ratings which is just 25% of what the two shows combined used to do. Sadly, you would think that WWE would see and realize that something is wrong and that what they're doing and have been doing isnt working as it should be. And story??? I dont care about story and soap opera type crap. I want to watch wrestling. No point in even having a wrestling ring then. Used to watch ROH and guys from there. Lost interest when they lost majority of their talent.

Having a guy cash in after going through a match with the top dog and another cash-in (in what ever order) is going to hurt the credibility of that MITB holder. He couldn't beat a guy that went through basically 30 - 40 minutes of intense matches, that would hurt said MITB winner, because it makes him look weak and why should he get another shot if he couldn't beat them, especially in your scenario of two 10 minute matches after his Cena match. That also hurts Cena a tiny bit because it shows that he really didn't damage Bryan that much after a 30 minute match between the two.

It wouldnt hurt the MITB winners or anything because a few months later, its almost as if it never happened since WWE rarely mentions stuff from the past. Wouldnt hurt Cena because well, nothing seems to hurt the guy or his character so it doesnt affect him whatsoever.

Yes, having Bryan lose to Orton after a pedigree from HHH makes sense since he was going to be the "face of the WWE."

Yet having Bryan lose and be a non-factor is of course, whats right for business??? The entire "storyline" contradicts whats actually happening. Basically, its the opposite. And yeah, the ending at SummerSlam made sense but it still sucked. Bryan winning actually hyped me up and five seconds later, it was gone.

Batista is getting the belt because, at least this is my prediction, is that he's really the Triple H guy that should be the "face of the WWE." Orton has failed HHH a few times in the past months as champion, so Triple H moves to the other blue chipper from Evolution, Batista. He becomes the "face" since Orton has failed him, so Triple H will move it to a guy he can trust and knows can beat Daniel Bryan. Orton's lost to Bryan a couple of times, so how can Triple H really trust him in a match, where as Batista can be trusted more.

I agree with your thinking and prediction but as a wrestling fan, a guy like Batista being given the belt after a few years away is worse than the Rock last year. WWE has so much actual talent and personally, its not right for the guys that are there to get held back or held down while the friends of HHH or the "stars" get the main event spots. To me, HHH is the next Hogan/Bischoff. Same crap. The talent gets to be opening and mid carders while the crap get the main event slots. Basically, WCW in the mid to late 90's.

Yes, it's a bit of fantasy booking, but it's a much more realistic possibility than forcing two guys who YOU like into a pure wrestling match, just to fit what you like.

I'm not going to lie, I do like Punk and Danielson. Punk was the reason why I started watching when he was champion. Bryan getting pushed was the reason I started watching again but every time, I start to get into it, it goes the other way just as quickly.

As for my fantasy match of Punk vs Bryan at WM 30 in a 60 minute Ironman match, there's no way in hell that any "WRESTLING" fan would much rather watch Orton and Batista.

Bryan can still not win the title and still leave fans happy. If you have him defeat Triple H, the man who's been putting thing after thing in his way and screwing him over, people would go crazy (and smarks would go crazy because Triple H "never" puts anyone over.)

I hope Bryan does beat HHH at WM 30 but not just because I want him to win but because to me, its not right when a fully active wrestler loses to a guy that wrestles once a year. The only exception to this rule would be the Undertaker and only because he has that undefeated streak at WM. At any other time, he should lose too. And to me, Triple H is the new Hogan.

Also, Bryan is a guy that the title doesn't make much sense on, because his story would get passe really quickly in "being the underdog" when he's the champ, which is what Bryan is best at, especially being undersized.

I get your point but at the same time, putting the title on a wrestler who's as hot as Bryan would sell more PPV's, etc. which is what the champion is supposed to do.

Like SmashMan said, if you don't actually care for the product, why are you buying WWE Network for $60? You buying it, shows that you care for the product enough to spend $10 a month on buying something they are selling. If you truly didn't care, you wouldn't spend a dime on it.

I know this sounds contradicting but technically, its not their current product im spedning $60 on. Its their past product I care about and the fact that I want to watch all the ECW ppvs as well as a lot of the NWA/WCW ppvs since I missed a lot of them. Giving them $60 is better than spending hundreds if not more trying to buy the DVD's or VHS tapes for the ppvs I missed. Watching all the ECW ppvs alone puts me ahead. Once they announced that you would EVERY past ppv, $60 is a steal. Even at $10 for example, I would only be able to buy 6 ppvs and chances are, they would cost a lot more than that.

If you really don't care for the WWE, then why are you upset over what they are doing? It shows you actually do care about the product if you are putting an effort to complain about what they are doing. Whining about stuff and saying you will stop watching and still continuing to watch the product in some fashion makes your words meaningless.

Who said I was upset? I'm just posting what I would have done, thats all. I dont watch Raw or Smackdown and the last PPV I paid for and watched was WM 2000. I'm not whining or complaining. I just wish for one WM that it could actually feature great matches with great wrestlers. Sadly, that never happens.

Like I said earlier, they don't see you buying Network as only for the past PPVs, they see it as you are caring enough about how the current business is as a whole, that you will continue to put money towards their product. You can watch the PPVs on Youtube or by other means, but you are putting down money that is supplying you what is already available and new material, so it shows that you are buying it for the new material.

True but the quality on youtube isnt always good enough to enjoy what you're watching and half the time, the links or videos are fakes. Other means would be on DVD's or VHS tapes. That would cost me a hell of a lot more than $60. To me, far better to spend $60 and watch everything I want to see from the past as opposed to spending hundreds if not more on all that stuff. WWE can look at it any way they want. For me personally, im getting a steal. The three ECW ppvs from WWE alone probably would cost me at least $30 or more to buy on DVD. Even if you were to say $5 for every DVD or VHS, that would cost me a fortune so to stream all the stuff I want to watch for $60 is a huge positive for me. WWE can have my crappy $60 since it means im saving hundred and wont have to be bothered selling the dvds and vhs tapes on ebay after I watch them.

[kingkilla56]

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I enjoyed that bitch fest at Punk there. Even though I think a clever fan thought it up.

[TripleCrown9]

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Guys, it's way too obvious who said all of that about CM Punk.

Spoiler

[kingkilla56]

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Raw lost 500K viewers during the third hour on Monday. This is the hour that Daniel Bryan faced Champion Randy Orton for 30 minutes or so. Thats not good.

[st0rmb11]

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It could just be that 3 hours is a long damn time to sit and watch wrestling.

Or that Orton is becoming stale and boring as hell.

Of course, I'm sure the WWE sees it as Bryan not being able to draw.

[StevenSD]

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How is Bryan to blame for the full hour, none of the other wrestlers take any fault here? It's all on Bryan? I just don't get that argument.

Like those that say Summerslam didn't sell well because of Bryan... um there was Punk vs Lesnar as well as Cena in the main event, so I see four people to blame, not just one.

[DonkeyJote]

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Everything I could ever say against Daniel Bryan got destroyed when I saw a "Yes" chant get started at a college town dance club

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[woody2goody]

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The sad thing is that Orton has IMO been great since he's been champion.

His mic work has been excellent and he seems to be becoming the guy who they originally saw him as years ago.

It might be perception as well. People may tune out when it's Orton (or Bryan), but they might not realise their chemistry allows for a great match.

And 3 hours isn't too long when they do it right. Not enough promo time for lower-card guys is one reason why 3 hours seems to drag.

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[StevenSD]

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Agreed on the Randy Orton front, he has been pretty good as a Champ, even though he's had help in nearly every title defense.

I just want to see him do this to Batista if we are stuck with them as a main event at Wrestlemania

[Millennium]

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Enough discussion. Back to dirt only folks

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[bigbob]

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How is Bryan to blame for the full hour, none of the other wrestlers take any fault here? It's all on Bryan? I just don't get that argument.

Like those that say Summerslam didn't sell well because of Bryan... um there was Punk vs Lesnar as well as Cena in the main event, so I see four people to blame, not just one.

Nobody here or anywhere says that things don't sell well because of Bryan.

The WWE said that.

Anyways, Paige and Zayn are finally back. Hopefully they get the call soon.

[jmillhimes]

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Word is getting stronger and stronger by the day that Kurt Angle wants out of
his TNA contract. Kurt even posted an interview online on you tube claiming he
was ready to return to the WWE. A fan tweeted him this past Friday asking Angle
if its true about him wanting to return to WWE, Angle replied "Its True".

I say bring him back for one last run. Angle was a hit with the fans and can still wrestle. He did a backflip off the top rope a few weeks back which tells me he can still go. I would love to see an Angle - Bryan promo

[Ice_Cold345]

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I say bring him back for one last run. Angle was a hit with the fans and can still wrestle. He did a backflip off the top rope a few weeks back which tells me he can still go. I would love to see an Angle - Bryan promo

First and foremost, he needs to get help for his neck and his alcoholic tendencies. He could be still wrestling, but have as bad a neck as Edge did. If he can wrestle after getting all checked up, then fine, but his health is first priority.

[TheShizNo1]

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Yea, I'd rather make sure he's healthy first.

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[BDKiiing]

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I just don't see a way that he passes the wwe physical. I do see him being a trainer at NXT though.