The OS WWE 'Dirt' Thread

[TheShizNo1]

I remember it well. Russo is using this storyline again in TNA with Hogan playing the Higher Power leading a supergroup. Russo also had their most marketable face go heel. How's all this working out for them?

Seriously gonna compare TNA to WWE? Big difference, one way or another, people care about Cena. I have no clue who you're even talking about regarding TNA

[Santino]

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I pointed out how storylines and decisions made during the Attitude Era won't work nowadays. TNA tries really hard to be like the Attitude Era and comes up short due to these ripped off storylines and terrible business decisions.

[rangerrick012]

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I pointed out how storylines and decisions made during the Attitude Era won't work nowadays. TNA tries really hard to be like the Attitude Era and comes up short due to these ripped off storylines and terrible business decisions.

Bingo.....

[Santino]

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People care, or cared, about Jeff Hardy too. TNA turned him heel just to shock the world and lost a goldmine in merchandise sales.

[TheShizNo1]

I pointed out how storylines and decisions made during the Attitude Era won't work nowadays. TNA tries really hard to be like the Attitude Era and comes up short due to these ripped off storylines and terrible business decisions.

Man, and you're still stuck with the attitude thing. I was just pulling out a complex long lasting storyline.

[TheShizNo1]

People care, or cared, about Jeff Hardy too. TNA turned him heel just to shock the world and lost a goldmine in merchandise sales.

So you compare Hardy to Cena?

[Santino]

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Man, and you're still stuck with the attitude thing. I was just pulling out a complex long lasting storyline.

I'm way over the Attitude thing. Which is why I don't believe the things you mentioned would work nowadays.

So you compare Hardy to Cena?

In terms of drawing and selling merchandise, Cena is the WWE's top dog and Hardy was TNA's. TNA screwed themselves turning him heel for some short lived heat and killed what marketability he had. Jeff later killed off any drawing power he had with his showing at Victory Road.

[GnarlyKing]

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I think the biggest difference between that time and today is that the payoffs seemed much better and more satisfying back then than they do now. Today, they have great setups like Nexus/Cena and then when the time comes for the payoff, WWE chickens out and does nothing and it pretty much dies. In TNA's case, they'll set up a good idea and then they're so concerned with trying to recreate the shock of Hogan joining the NWO that they don't stop to think whether or not their surprise makes any sense whatsoever.

[BDKiiing]

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No chance in hell, you can compare Jeff and John, they might be each company's #1 face, but two completely different...Cena is the E's #1 face, but still draws a 50/50 crowd...his heel turn does nothing but switch the 50% that cheers for him...plus kids above 10 who realize it's the same person, will still like him just cuz it's Cena, and women will still think he's good looking, and guys will like him as a heel...he gains more fans with a heel turn...the Charismatic Enabler lost all his fans since the whole crowd was behind him as a face, he never had haters like Cena does, plus his drugginess doesn't help

[TheShizNo1]

I'm way over the Attitude thing. Which is why I don't believe the things you mentioned would work nowadays.



In terms of drawing and selling merchandise, Cena is the WWE's top dog and Hardy was TNA's. TNA screwed themselves turning him heel for some short lived heat and killed what marketability he had. Jeff later killed off any drawing power he had with his showing at Victory Road.

You're not over it, because I never mentioned the attitude era in any of my previous post. I just took a story line from it. I posted 2-3 main things, and you jumped to a conclusion of me wanting the attitude era back.

[TheShizNo1]

No chance in hell, you can compare Jeff and John, they might be each company's #1 face, but two completely different...Cena is the E's #1 face, but still draws a 50/50 crowd...his heel turn does nothing but switch the 50% that cheers for him...plus kids above 10 who realize it's the same person, will still like him just cuz it's Cena, and women will still think he's good looking, and guys will like him as a heel...he gains more fans with a heel turn...the Charismatic Enabler lost all his fans since the whole crowd was behind him as a face, he never had haters like Cena does, plus his drugginess doesn't help

YES! YES! YES!

[CYST2000]

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Honestly? The world dosen't revolve around the WWE. The fact remains that eventually we might see something completely different from the WWE in the next few years, and in order to get that wrestling fix, you will look out for a new venue in which you can get ich that wrestling ich.

And besides, I never said anything about TNA.

[CYST2000]

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Let me clear what I said up a bit. I never said I wanted the Attitude era back. The reason I feel the product is watered down is because I feel Vince has this facination with Cena, and he is really hell bent on making him the next huge draw, but he fails to realize that Cena as the next huge draw has failed. Since 2006 Cena has been getting booed out of the building. I'm no Cena fan, but I will admit it was a great effort. It's like TNA and Mr.Anderson's A-- Hole gimmick, If it starts to get stale you need to find something else.

I can stand the PG era, but the quality of the matches has taken a huge nose dive from the attitude era, and thats not saying much. I watch Raw and all I get is 3 maybe 5 matches none of which were any good, and predictable at that. Cena being the last competitor? Who saw that coming?

I do believe the WWE is on the same level right now as WCW towards it's end days. A handful of talent getting the titles and the rest are wasted on storylines that take a week to buildup. So far our title competitors are Cena, Miz (who I believe could truly be the WWE's next big draw), and Orton. I won't mention the Heavyweight title because it belongs to a taped show that will never harbor any real surprizes because of the fact that it's taped.

TNA is another kind of mess all onto itself, so we can just ignore them for now, but I ask you this. What happens when vince takes the wrestling completely from the product? What will you watch then?

[Santino]

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No chance in hell, you can compare Jeff and John, they might be each company's #1 face, but two completely different...Cena is the E's #1 face, but still draws a 50/50 crowd...his heel turn does nothing but switch the 50% that cheers for him...plus kids above 10 who realize it's the same person, will still like him just cuz it's Cena, and women will still think he's good looking, and guys will like him as a heel...he gains more fans with a heel turn...the Charismatic Enabler lost all his fans since the whole crowd was behind him as a face, he never had haters like Cena does, plus his drugginess doesn't help

When two things have something in common, that makes them comparable. The comparison was in regards to how much they draw and sell merch. The whole notion that Cena "gains more fans with a heel turn" is just wishful thinking, much like hoping for a new top face to step in who could draw as much as Cena. These type of top draws don't come around very often. There's no chance the people that are booing him now are going to replace the number of fans he loses going heel.

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I can stand the PG era, but the quality of the matches has taken a huge nose dive from the attitude era...