The OS WWE 'Dirt' Thread

[CYST2000]

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I would love to see wrestling as well/\/\/\. Ratings wise Raw > Smackdown, always has and always will. As for recorded wrestling programs goes, it is true that the best stuff is placed with the live events, sure they used to record big things, but not in the internet age. Raw in the 90's was getting stale and it was recorded, so Bischoff started listing the matches and the results. Listen, obviously people on this thread must have never seen old WCW or old WWE weekly shows, because you would know that not more than 2-3 real matches take place anymore on WWE programming. It is sad that some seem brainwashed into believing they are watching wrestling, but in the end, I guess Vince has got some of you fooled into buying his product, and the wrestling in WWE is truly a thing of the past. Enjoy!

[rangerrick012]

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I would love to see wrestling as well/\/\/\. Ratings wise Raw > Smackdown, always has and always will. As for recorded wrestling programs goes, it is true that the best stuff is placed with the live events, sure they used to record big things, but not in the internet age. Raw in the 90's was getting stale and it was recorded, so Bischoff started listing the matches and the results. Listen, obviously people on this thread must have never seen old WCW or old WWE weekly shows, because you would know that not more than 2-3 real matches take place anymore on WWE programming. It is sad that some seem brainwashed into believing they are watching wrestling, but in the end, I guess Vince has got some of you fooled into buying his product, and the wrestling in WWE is truly a thing of the past. Enjoy!

I grew up watching (and enjoying) the Attitude Era, as well as Nitro. I'm sorry if I'm able to move on from it and recognize that the business is always evolving. Doesn't make me any less of a fan, or mean that I'm brainwashed.

And honestly I think most of your opinion is jaded by nostalgia rather than the facts of what really went on. Raw in the past really had more wrestling? The same show that had 20 min Rock segment for "This is your life" of the Rock? The same show that had weekly 20 min DX segments? You're really misremembering if you think Raw in the past had vastly more wrestling than Raw does now. And as for quality, that's always subjective of course, but I'd say that the depth of today's roster is much greater, even if the quality at the top isn't as much.

In any case, my belief is that it's a different business now than it was in the 90s, just like the 90s was different from the 80s, and so on and so forth. You can either accept the change for what it is or forever be stuck in the past and never get enjoyment out of it. Don't want to be holier than thou or anything, just get tired of people saying the WWE should go back to the AE type of programming.

[TheShizNo1]

From the attitude era, Raw was full of crap a lot of times. The actual wresting is better now, IMO. It just gets buried by diva matches and they're few and far in between with 30 min promo's.

[Chrisksaint]

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Yeah it's all personal opinion like i'd rather watch the wrestlers from anywhere from like 5-15 years ago then the current roster now.

The attitude era and nitro era had great promos and storylines which kinda made the matches more interesting then they might have been. However I think the quality of matches were greater especially at PPVs compared to those now. Nothing beats watching an old WCW cruiserweight match, but like I said it's all a matter of opinion.

[Santino]

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The format of a wrestling show has barely changed since the 80's. Weekly WWF and NWA programming was taped. WWF had long winded promos from segments such as Piper's Pit, The Brother Love Show, The Barbershop, etc, while NWA had the Horsemen talking at length about where they partied the previous night, Dusty's five minute take on things, and ten minute segments dedicated to heel and face promos setting up house shows in local areas. The actual wrestling that took place was superstar squashing jobber. The wrestling on weekly shows today has much better workrate and is far more competitive. But maybe that's just Vince "brainwashing" me into thinking Bryan/Ziggler, Mysterio/Punk, Morrison/Sheamus, and Christian/Del Rio makes for good wrestling.

[CYST2000]

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I never said I wanted Attitude back, I want the matches that actually filled out the card back. I am okay with PG, but the story-lines are actually getting more airtime then the actual wrestling. If I want to watch a 2hr show about story-lines, then I should watch a soap opera. Yes wrestling is a mans version of a soap, but it's still best known as wrestling, which is what the argument is all about. And please don't call the Attitude era's matches a bunch of run-ins when the last Raw ended with a run-in, and this years WM ended with a run-in.

[rangerrick012]

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I never said I wanted Attitude back, I want the matches that actually filled out the card back. I am okay with PG, but the story-lines are actually getting more airtime then the actual wrestling. If I want to watch a 2hr show about story-lines, then I should watch a soap opera. Yes wrestling is a mans version of a soap, but it's still best known as wrestling, which is what the argument is all about. And please don't call the Attitude era's matches a bunch of run-ins when the last Raw ended with a run-in, and this years WM ended with a run-in.

I'd argue that that's almost always been the case. Just look at Santino's post.

[CYST2000]

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The format of a wrestling show has barely changed since the 80's. Weekly WWF and NWA programming was taped. WWF had long winded promos from segments such as Piper's Pit, The Brother Love Show, The Barbershop, etc, while NWA had the Horsemen talking at length about where they partied the previous night, Dusty's five minute take on things, and ten minute segments dedicated to heel and face promos setting up house shows in local areas. The actual wrestling that took place was superstar squashing jobber. The wrestling on weekly shows today has much better workrate and is far more competitive. But maybe that's just Vince "brainwashing" me into thinking Bryan/Ziggler, Mysterio/Punk, Morrison/Sheamus, and Christian/Del Rio makes for good wrestling.

But at least there was wrestling. Your comparing the Attitude era to the comic book era. Thats around the time WCW was pushing the WWE to the side with it's live Nitro show with more of an eventful rate of matches and more fully developed story-lines. I never said I didn't like story-lines, I said I want story-lines that aren't developed in just a week and put on a PPV mid-card. The story is the vehicle, but the wrestling is the motor. There needs to be more balance. I rest my case SANTINO.

[goh]

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JoMo has the 'we used to be partners' storyline with Miz. That hasn't been done before w/ other teams? Right....

I agree w/ some of your other points though, the booking has been skiddish lately.

They can expand on it more than they usually do. Besides it's better than "Oh hay! You've got the title! Gimmie that!" with Cena. Hell he doesn't even have a story with Cena. Even less so with R-Truth and Lawler. Orton's chance/story has already concluded. As I think CYST2000 was trying to say,the feuds lack meaning now and when they have had chances to give them meaning they did not but they used to do it and it resulted in a better show and while he said better matches,I'd put as matches that meant more.

[Santino]

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But at least there was wrestling. Your comparing the Attitude era to the comic book era. Thats around the time WCW was pushing the WWE to the side with it's live Nitro show with more of an eventful rate of matches and more fully developed story-lines. I never said I didn't like story-lines, I said I want story-lines that aren't developed in just a week and put on a PPV mid-card. The story is the vehicle, but the wrestling is the motor. There needs to be more balance. I rest my case SANTINO.

I was comparing wrestling shows of the past thirty years. There's still great quality wrestling today that is showcased just as much as the storylines that help keep them interesting. SmackDown is known to have good matches every week although that doesn't meet your standards because its taped. Which makes no sense. Having no clue how half of the roster is handled hurts your "case".

[SoxFan01605]

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I never said I wanted Attitude back, I want the matches that actually filled out the card back. I am okay with PG, but the story-lines are actually getting more airtime then the actual wrestling. If I want to watch a 2hr show about story-lines, then I should watch a soap opera. Yes wrestling is a mans version of a soap, but it's still best known as wrestling, which is what the argument is all about. And please don't call the Attitude era's matches a bunch of run-ins when the last Raw ended with a run-in, and this years WM ended with a run-in.

Actually, the notion of "story over match" really took off with the Attitude Era. The difference was, it was more intense, new, and better done, than the story building we see now, which better covered the fact (generally speaking) that there was less wrestling going on than there was in the 80s and prior.

You seem to be misattributing what was happening with the WWE up to and mostly including the "Hogan era" (more matches, all the big stuff at PPVs) and with what the Attitude Era really was. All the stuff you claim to hate about what is going on in WWE today comes from the Attitude Era (well, you could certainly make a point that it started before that, but it took off in the 90s).

I guess I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. You claim to want to go back to wrestling, but it was the Attitude Era when they started heavily slanting the focus to the "Male Soap Opera" concept over wrestling.

I would actually say the wrestling from a lot of the younger/newer guys is as good as ever (and would argue that, as a whole, is deeper than in the 90s), it's the writing and "fluff" stuff that has taken the dive. The formula is the same as the Attitude Era though...it's just that aspect is simply watered down and not new anymore.

[Santino]

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Kharma is rumored to be Awesome Kong's WWE moniker.

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Actually, the notion of "story over match" really took off with the Attitude Era. The difference was, it was more intense, new, and better done, than the story building we see now, which better covered the fact (generally speaking) that there was less wrestling going on than there was in the 80s and prior.

You seem to be misattributing what was happening with the WWE up to and mostly including the "Hogan era" (more matches, all the big stuff at PPVs) and with what the Attitude Era really was. All the stuff you claim to hate about what is going on in WWE today comes from the Attitude Era (well, you could certainly make a point that it started before that, but it took off in the 90s).

I guess I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. You claim to want to go back to wrestling, but it was the Attitude Era when they started heavily slanting the focus to the "Male Soap Opera" concept over wrestling.

I would actually say the wrestling from a lot of the younger/newer guys is as good as ever (and would argue that, as a whole, is deeper than in the 90s), it's the writing and "fluff" stuff that has taken the dive. The formula is the same as the Attitude Era though...it's just that aspect is simply watered down and not new anymore.

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Emmy winning TV writer Tom Cassielo confirmed on his Twitter that he has been hired WWE to work on their creative team. Cassielo has worked on various soap operas in the past including Days of Our Lives and The Young & The Restless.

http://twitter.com/#!/tommiecas/status/59343292034318336

[TheShizNo1]

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