WWE 2k15 Attributes Thread

[vtcrb]

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Hey guys. Sorry for being MIA for awhile, just got a TON going on. Glad to see you guys are still working on things.

Last night AFTER I download the patch, I watched a Fatal Four Way Match last night with Umaga, Bam Bam Bigelow, Rusev and Bray Wyatt and it went over 12 minutes with MUCH improved CPU AI in breaking up pin attempts. It was a Great Back and forth match. Guys got wore down at a good rate. I was VERY pleased with it.

I been making a few tweaks here and there for LONGER matches. I am going to see where they lead.

[PhiPsi1]

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Hey guys. Sorry for being MIA for awhile, just got a TON going on. Glad to see you guys are still working on things.

Last night AFTER I download the patch, I watched a Fatal Four Way Match last night with Umaga, Bam Bam Bigelow, Rusev and Bray Wyatt and it went over 12 minutes with MUCH improved CPU AI in breaking up pin attempts. It was a Great Back and forth match. Guys got wore down at a good rate. I was VERY pleased with it.

I been making a few tweaks here and there for LONGER matches. I am going to see where they lead.

Good stuff @vtcrb! Glad to see that your back to join the 'testing' crew....Saw this at the 'editcorner.com' forum:

"Ok guy since the patch dropped yesterday it got me energized to try some new testing and tweaks. I just had an match with Shawn Michaels and Seth Rollins that went over 11 minutes and ended with Michaels hitting the Elbow Drop from the Top rope for the win. It was a GREAT back and forth match, probably the Best CPU vs CPU match i have seen so far.

I am going to make some NEW tweaks and test the next couple days. I will keep you all Updated."


This is EXTREMELY encouraging my friend...especially to see that Michaels hit a top rope finisher and that the match went 11 minutes! Which we discussed earlier in the thread is VERY long in 'real-time'...I compare that to like the Sting-Flair, 60 minute match back in the day! LOL!

So are you using Steven547's wrestler attribute edits (or) do you have an excel file with edited wrestlers as well?

What sliders are you using? Would you mind sharing so I (we) can test? I can twitch stream as well so we can all collaborate!

[vtcrb]

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Good stuff @vtcrb! Glad to see that your back to join the 'testing' crew....Saw this at the 'editcorner.com' forum:

"Ok guy since the patch dropped yesterday it got me energized to try some new testing and tweaks. I just had an match with Shawn Michaels and Seth Rollins that went over 11 minutes and ended with Michaels hitting the Elbow Drop from the Top rope for the win. It was a GREAT back and forth match, probably the Best CPU vs CPU match i have seen so far.

I am going to make some NEW tweaks and test the next couple days. I will keep you all Updated."


This is EXTREMELY encouraging my friend...especially to see that Michaels hit a top rope finisher and that the match went 11 minutes! Which we discussed earlier in the thread is VERY long in 'real-time'...I compare that to like the Sting-Flair, 60 minute match back in the day! LOL!

So are you using Steven547's wrestler attribute edits (or) do you have an excel file with edited wrestlers as well?

What sliders are you using? Would you mind sharing so I (we) can test? I can twitch stream as well so we can all collaborate!

Hey man how things going. Glad to see you guys still hard at it.

I have been using Attributes from TEC Attribute thread. I am tweaking them as today. If you want any specific guys let me know and I can Post ALL of their Attributes for you to test.

Sliders I have set I have been tinkering with I can post those in the Next 30 minutes, if you would like.

EDIT: ALL of my matches are CPU vs CPU matches. I feel it is best to test to keep any User Bias out of the Equation. I use this type of testing for Every game and it seems to give me the best results.

[PhiPsi1]

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Hey man how things going. Glad to see you guys still hard at it.

I have been using Attributes from TEC Attribute thread. I am tweaking them as today. If you want any specific guys let me know and I can Post ALL of their Attributes for you to test.

Sliders I have set I have been tinkering with I can post those in the Next 30 minutes, if you would like.

EDIT: ALL of my matches are CPU vs CPU matches. I feel it is best to test to keep any User Bias out of the Equation. I use this type of testing for Every game and it seems to give me the best results.

Awesome man! Look forward to your slider posting...Definitely agree on the CPU vs CPU match testing approach...Plus, the CPU is way better than me most likely! LOL!

Do you mind putting up the attributes for Santino...Want to run a similar test as Steven547 with Brock vs. Santino to see results (aka 'Beast' vs. 'Jobber' LOL!)

I will post the match here via Twitch when I have a chance!

But overall, you think the patch has brought 'positive' improvements moreso than going two steps back?

[vtcrb]

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These are the NEWEST tweaks i have made.


Brock Lesnar

Arm Power 70
Leg Power 70
Head Durability 90
Body Durability 93
Arm Durability 88
Leg Durability 87
Movement Speed 70
Strike Speed 78
Grapple Speed 85
Agility 81
Strength 95
Stamina 89
Stamina Recovery 89
Damage Recovery 89
Momentum 49
Strike Reversal 67
Grapple Reversal 81
Aerial Reversals 5
Chain Wrestling 80
Grapple Offense 80
Running Offense 65
Power Submission Offense 75
Technical Submission Offense 57
Aerial Offense 20
Aerial Range 25
Environmental Offense 75
Foreign Object Offense 70
Power Submission Defense 75
Technical Submission Defense 65

Santino Marella

Arm Power 40
Leg Power 53
Head Durability 60
Body Durability 55
Arm Durability 60
Leg Durability 60
Movement Speed 79
Strike Speed 73
Grapple Speed 61
Agility 80
Strength 37
Stamina 77
Stamina Recovery 75
Damage Recovery 55
Momentum 15
Strike Reversal 45
Grapple Reversal 45
Aerial Reversals 65
Chain Wrestling 65
Grapple Offense 55
Running Offense 60
Power Submission Offense 25
Technical Submission Offense 50
Aerial Offense 75
Aerial Range 77
Environmental Offense 25
Foreign Object Offense 50
Power Submission Defense 30
Technical Submission Defense 50



Sliders

A.I. Standing Strike Reversal Rate: 10
A.I. Standing Grapple Reversal Rate: 10
A.I. Ground Strike Reversal Rate: 9
A.I. Ground Grapple Reversal Rate: 9
A.I. Finisher Reversal Rate: 5
A.I. Foreign Object Attack Reversal Rate: 8
Finisher Strength: 11
Foreign Object Strength: 11
Chain Wrestling: MAXED

Stamina Cost: 4
Stamina Recovery Rate: 2

[vtcrb]

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Just Updated 9 Wrestlers attributes. The link to the info is in My Signature. Let me know what you guys think.

[PhiPsi1]

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Sliders

A.I. Standing Strike Reversal Rate: 10
A.I. Standing Grapple Reversal Rate: 10
A.I. Ground Strike Reversal Rate: 9
A.I. Ground Grapple Reversal Rate: 9
A.I. Finisher Reversal Rate: 5
A.I. Foreign Object Attack Reversal Rate: 8
Finisher Strength: 11
Foreign Object Strength: 11
Chain Wrestling: MAXED

Stamina Cost: 4
Stamina Recovery Rate: 2

Good stuff man...One question I have...With Finisher Strength at 11, are you seeing jobbers kick out of Finishers? B/c it would bother me personally if a jobber like Santino would kick out of an F5! LOL! I'm wondering if that value at 18 would get more desirable outcomes...But heck...I'm away from my ps4 at the moment so haven't gotten a chance to test the value of Finisher strength at 11. Just a thought....

And by the way...what level do you have it set on? Legend, Normal, or Hard? I realize these are AI matches but want to make sure all our 'conditions' match up for testing purposes.

[vtcrb]

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Good stuff man...One question I have...With Finisher Strength at 11, are you seeing jobbers kick out of Finishers? B/c it would bother me personally if a jobber like Santino would kick out of an F5! LOL! I'm wondering if that value at 18 would get more desirable outcomes...But heck...I'm away from my ps4 at the moment so haven't gotten a chance to test the value of Finisher strength at 11. Just a thought....

And by the way...what level do you have it set on? Legend, Normal, or Hard? I realize these are AI matches but want to make sure all our 'conditions' match up for testing purposes.

Sorry I have it on LEGEND. The reason for 11 on the Finisher is to make the matches for the Higher Level guys to go longer. Brock dispatched Santino in Under 2 minutes in Both matches I watched, BUT it may still need to be tweaked. Look forward to hearing your feedback and thoughts.

[PhiPsi1]

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Sorry I have it on LEGEND. The reason for 11 on the Finisher is to make the matches for the Higher Level guys to go longer. Brock dispatched Santino in Under 2 minutes in Both matches I watched, BUT it may still need to be tweaked. Look forward to hearing your feedback and thoughts.

Thanks for the response! Have you seen this particular comment in regards to reversals below:

On a not so positve note...I heard over at the 2ksports forums that the individual wrestler ratings for reversals ONLY apply if that wrestler is HUM controlled. The sliders are what determine the CPU reversals, which explains why a jobber is still reversing moves with a "1" rating. Looks like 2k dropped the ball again.

Now I wonder what other ratings don't matter....?

From your match testing with Brock vs Santino, did you find that Santino was reversing Brock's moves at an abnormal/unrealistic rate?

[vtcrb]

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Thanks for the response! Have you seen this particular comment in regards to reversals below:




From your match testing with Brock vs Santino, did you find that Santino was reversing Brock's moves at an abnormal/unrealistic rate?

Santino gets in a couple moves, but nothing that kills it for me. What i find much more Positive is the Matches I see with the Top guys. To get matches to go longer Reversals have to be there at a decent Level.

With Santino and Brock the Matches were short, so that is mainly what i wanted, with Brock dominating.

[PhiPsi1]

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Santino gets in a couple moves, but nothing that kills it for me. What i find much more Positive is the Matches I see with the Top guys. To get matches to go longer Reversals have to be there at a decent Level.

With Santino and Brock the Matches were short, so that is mainly what i wanted, with Brock dominating.

Perfect! This is great my friend! Look forward to getting in some testing soon! Med School is has absolutely taken over my life (along with 3 kids and my wife! LOL!)....

Now if only I could get NBA 2K15 'tuned' to what I 'personally see fit'....but I digress. LOL!

[vtcrb]

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Perfect! This is great my friend! Look forward to getting in some testing soon! Med School is has absolutely taken over my life (along with 3 kids and my wife! LOL!)....

Now if only I could get NBA 2K15 'tuned' to what I 'personally see fit'....but I digress. LOL!

You got ALOT on you plate man, try to fit some sleep in there somewhere. LOL

NBA2k15 is a work in progress as well. LOL. Been getting some good results with it as well though.

[Steven547]

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Perfect! This is great my friend! Look forward to getting in some testing soon! Med School is has absolutely taken over my life (along with 3 kids and my wife! LOL!)....

Now if only I could get NBA 2K15 'tuned' to what I 'personally see fit'....but I digress. LOL!

Med school? Then i need you to fix the tear in my shoulder!! Haha

Yea...i have seen an unrealistic amount of reversals. I even created a "jobber" with every rating at 1, and still saw reversals. Another weird thing, I was testing a match so I had both wrestlers on USER control (hum vs hum). I was the only one playing....and get this...no one was controlling the other wrestler but he still reversed moves! The reversals seem to happen every 3-4 moves, making the game slightly pre-determined!

[Steven547]

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What's your method for attributes and I will try

Sorry for the slow response! Like I said, I have no mathmatical equation. Well, I did at first, but that changed. Now it's just comparing each wrestler to another in that "division".

Some things I keep in mind:
Make matches longer by lowering any attack rating that causes damage (strike power, grapple power, grapple off, sub offense, etc).

With the lowering of each attribute, keep that wrestler in the proper "class" such as (Main eventer, mid carder, jobber).

Main eventers should have higher attack ratings than mid carders and jobbers. MId carders should have higher attack than jobbers.

Don't lower too many ratings or you'll lose the "realism"of the wrestler. Santino might lose every match, but his movement speed shouldn't be lowered to a Big Show rating, etc.

I also rate according to the "push" WWE gives them. For awhile, Bray was stuck on Mid Card. Now he is moving to main event, so I've "upped" some ratings.

Reversal ratings don't matter unless they are HUMAN controlled.

Following the theory above for separation between main eventers and others, Damage Recovery, Stamina, and Stamina Rec are raised or lowered depending on the "class"of the wrestler.

Env Off is dependent on if the wrestler uses the environment a lot. This is usally higher for the Ambroses, Ortons, Kanes, etc.

Don't be afraid about lowering a wrestlers attribute too much. It seems that you have to go pretty low to get a good seperation between wrestlers in some areas.

After all that is done, a lot of time I do a compare with each rating column of each wrestler. I compare them to the other wresters and make further tweaks. For exmaple, I'll sort all wrestlers by the Head DUR rating and see where I've rated each guy. That way I can see that I lowered or raised someone too much or too little.

Overall, it's just me looking at the wrestler and making judgements based on what I see on TV. Then testing, testing, testing!

Remember, my ratings are not the end all be all ratings. You have to adjust to how YOU think or want the match to go. If I think VTCRB's ratings are working better, I'll readjust mine. In the end, we all want the same thing with this game. The more "rating adjusters" or "slider makers" we have, the better our results will be.

Find something that works? Share it and we can all test it. It's a great group here, so modify away!

[Runne130]

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Steven are you planning on updating the new dlc guys, i know your shoulders messed up, i was just wondering