Conference Re-Alignment Thread Part Who Knows

**gordogg24p** · 07-28-2012, 01:06 AM

Re: Conference Re-Alignment Thread Part Who Knows

Originally posted by coogrfan

That's the UT party line version of events. The truth is UT no longer wished to be associated with any SWC schools other than TAMU. The original proposal from the Big 8 was for a full merger with the SWC. Texas vetoed that option, offering as a counter proposal themselves and the Ags (only). But for the fact that TT and BU had the extreme good fortune to have alums in a position to force UT to take them along (Gov Ann Richards, Lt. Gov Bob Bullock, Speaker of the House Pete Lainey, and others), it would have been the Big X.

Yes, I agree with all of this, but a lot of the desire to not be associated with those schools anymore was driven by money, and with Houston, SMU, and TCU banned from television, that was a sizable chunk of change just going out the window.

Add to that the fact that the only other marketable school at the time in the conference, Arkansas, had already bailed for the SEC, and the conference continues to bleed money. Baylor and Texas Tech simply had no marketability at that time (and to some level, that remains true).

Originally posted by coogrfan

The first statement is correct, the second is not. The Horns play Rice because it is crucial to have a game in Houston every couple of years, for two reasons:

UT has a very large number of alums in Houston who enjoy getting a chance to see their team in person;
Greater Houston is one of the most fertile recruiting grounds in the nation (Houston sent 106 kids to FBS schools this year; if Houston was a state it would have ranked sixth in the nation behind TX, FL, CA, OH and GA).

Well the Houston recruiting grounds would be solved playing either Houston or Rice, as the location would be a push either way. Texas would surely drop the money to make sure some of the games were played at Reliant as they do now with Rice, so continuing either series really would appear to be no more crucial than the other.

I'm not saying neither would be important at all, but its really an either/or thing as it stands.

Anyway, enough of the side tracking; let's get back to the re-alignment talk (or lack thereof).

**cdawg44** · 07-31-2012, 11:46 AM

Re: Conference Re-Alignment Thread Part Who Knows

Originally posted by capn_razzamataz

WAC rumors starting to heat up. Two different ones: 1) James Madison and Jacksonville State lead a group consisting of another six east-coast FCS teams to join the WAC (for football only). 2) The entire Big Sky conference merges with WAC.

Apparently the Big Sky merger was in real discussion but has since fizzled out. East coast teams are speculated to be James Madison, Jacksonville State, App State, Delaware, Liberty, and Georgia Southern. The other two spots aren't quite clear. Several different FCS schools have been mentioned. Even Lamar has been thrown around as a possibility.

I never believed in the Big Sky/ WAC merger. The Big Sky is a very stable confrence at this time with a excellent tv deal (compared to other FCS schools). Plus the 4 or 5 remaining WAC schools still have not pledged to remain together. Boise is basically begging the Big West and Seattle and Denver are doing the same to the West Coast Confrence. Idaho needed the Big Sky more than the Big Sky needed them. Idaho and NMSU are screwed at this point and Eastern schools are really the WAC's only option at this point.

My question is do these schools really wanna move up that bad right now. I still argue that UTEP is probably going to get poached to the Mountain West. Heck El Paso is closer to LA than it is to Houston. Plus maybe UTSA goes with them. That opens two spots in CUSA for eastern schools. Rushing to FBS with an unstable situation just isnt the way to go right now. They would be better off forming their own confrence and seeing if they could move up as a group later on.

**cdawg44** · 07-31-2012, 12:52 PM

Re: Conference Re-Alignment Thread Part Who Knows

Looks likes no WAC football in 2013

http://voices.idahostatesman.com/2012/07/26/bmurphy/idaho_picked_finish_4th_wac_media_5th_coaches

**ItsOrangeBaby** · 07-31-2012, 04:32 PM

Originally posted by cdawg44

Looks likes no WAC football in 2013

http://voices.idahostatesman.com/201...ia_5th_coaches

Seen that coming after MWC took the rest of their decent teams.

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**superjames1992** · 08-05-2012, 05:22 PM

Re: Conference Re-Alignment Thread Part Who Knows

Supposedly, the new deal NBC wants to sign with the Big East will give all-sports members $14 million per year, football-only members $10 million per year, and non-football members $4 million per year. At least that's the way I read it.

**Cusefan** · 08-05-2012, 05:27 PM

Re: Conference Re-Alignment Thread Part Who Knows

Originally posted by superjames1992

Supposedly, the new deal NBC wants to sign with the Big East will give all-sports members $14 million per year, football-only members $10 million per year, and non-football members $4 million per year. At least that's the way I read it.

That what I was hearing before all the teams split, except it was 11million, call me crazy but I don't see NBC paying more for less quality.

**dickey1331** · 08-05-2012, 06:35 PM

Originally posted by Cusefan

That what I was hearing before all the teams split, except it was 11million, call me crazy but I don't see NBC paying more for less quality.

Well you have all timezones and a bigger TV market and NBC doesn't show any college football except ND. So it makes sense to me.

Do you really care where I sent this from?

**coogrfan** · 08-05-2012, 06:45 PM

Re: Conference Re-Alignment Thread Part Who Knows

Originally posted by Cusefan

That what I was hearing before all the teams split, except it was 11million, call me crazy but I don't see NBC paying more for less quality.

From a football pov WVU is a big loss; Pitt and Syracuse, not so much.

**caasoccer** · 08-06-2012, 11:38 AM

Re: Conference Re-Alignment Thread Part Who Knows

Originally posted by Cusefan

That what I was hearing before all the teams split, except it was 11million, call me crazy but I don't see NBC paying more for less quality.

There is a higher ceiling though. Boise, Houston, SMU, UCF have never had TV money like what they will get in this contract. Will be interesting to see what happens at those programs when they get an influx of cash.

**gordogg24p** · 08-06-2012, 12:35 PM

Re: Conference Re-Alignment Thread Part Who Knows

Originally posted by dickey1331

Well you have all timezones and a bigger TV market and NBC doesn't show any college football except ND. So it makes sense to me.

I don't really see much of an increase in the TV market. Boise State doesn't have much of a following outside of alumni. Houston and SMU may be in Texas, but the state is still dominated by the Longhorns. I can't imagine their market is anymore valuable than a Pitt or Syracuse. UCF might add some value just because of the size of the school, so you're going to have a sizable alumni base, but you're still trying to sell UCF to a state that's focused on UF, FSU, and Miami.

There might be a bit of a difference in terms of TV market, but it's marginal at best.

**nofx94** · 08-06-2012, 02:58 PM

My Random Thoughts on Realignment

I really wish the Big 12 would pick up Boise en route to getting 12 teams, but unfortunately the powers that be do not hinge their decisions on my personal whims. If (I think when, or else they should change their name) the Big XII expands to twelve teams, do y'all think they'll get Florida State, as that seems to be the name bandied around most often? With FSU, is it more likely they try to take ND or Clemson? Notre Dame was working on an agreement with the ACC regarding the Orange Bowl, so do they have just no reason to move?

I would feel bad for the Big East's shrinkage problem if their commissioner hadn't painted them into this corner trying to protect basketball in lieu of football. Instead, he's seen the ACC tear his conference apart rather literally. Of course, their commissioner doing similar things is why Florida State and some of the Clemson and VT faithful are looking elsewhere.

I'm glad WVU and TCU got their shot at the Big 12 and I hope they produce. I have little doubt they will, though maybe not immediately at the conference-winning level, they should be competing at the conference contender level within the next two or three seasons. WVU might already be there.

To think, how much of this mess could have been avoided by Texas not wanting to push around the other teams in its conference? Obviously the ball got rolling with the SEC and Pac-12 media deals (so it is in part the Pac-12's fault with CU, but I somehow doubt they matter too much to the Big XII), but I suppose if Nebraska hadn't been (felt?) pushed out of the Big XII, the Big 10 might have just tried to add Notre Dame, maybe that was their first choice anyway. Perhaps TAMU and Mizzou would still be part of the Big XII conference, maybe not.

The only thing I know for sure is that I think the Big Ten should change it s name and the Big XII should change its name. lol. Maybe to the Big Midwest and the Big South or something.

**Blue** · 08-06-2012, 03:35 PM

Re: My Random Thoughts on Realignment

Originally posted by nofx94

I really wish the Big 12 would pick up Boise en route to getting 12 teams, but unfortunately the powers that be do not hinge their decisions on my personal whims. If (I think when, or else they should change their name) the Big XII expands to twelve teams, do y'all think they'll get Florida State, as that seems to be the name bandied around most often? With FSU, is it more likely they try to take ND or Clemson? Notre Dame was working on an agreement with the ACC regarding the Orange Bowl, so do they have just no reason to move?

I would feel bad for the Big East's shrinkage problem if their commissioner hadn't painted them into this corner trying to protect basketball in lieu of football. Instead, he's seen the ACC tear his conference apart rather literally. Of course, their commissioner doing similar things is why Florida State and some of the Clemson and VT faithful are looking elsewhere.

I'm glad WVU and TCU got their shot at the Big 12 and I hope they produce. I have little doubt they will, though maybe not immediately at the conference-winning level, they should be competing at the conference contender level within the next two or three seasons. WVU might already be there.

To think, how much of this mess could have been avoided by Texas not wanting to push around the other teams in its conference? Obviously the ball got rolling with the SEC and Pac-12 media deals (so it is in part the Pac-12's fault with CU, but I somehow doubt they matter too much to the Big XII), but I suppose if Nebraska hadn't been (felt?) pushed out of the Big XII, the Big 10 might have just tried to add Notre Dame, maybe that was their first choice anyway. Perhaps TAMU and Mizzou would still be part of the Big XII conference, maybe not.

The only thing I know for sure is that I think the Big Ten should change it s name and the Big XII should change its name. lol. Maybe to the Big Midwest and the Big South or something.

I think the Big 12 should add Tulsa and a MWC team, maybe Nevada
I know there not extremely strong programs but they fit the geography of the conference and have produced solid teams in recent years, Tulsa is a rival of OK st and Nevada would help replace the hole Utah created
BYU is still possible but they seem very reluctant to move to any conference

**p_rushing** · 08-06-2012, 04:14 PM

Re: My Random Thoughts on Realignment

Originally posted by TheBlueDude

I think the Big 12 should add Tulsa and a MWC team, maybe Nevada
I know there not extremely strong programs but they fit the geography of the conference and have produced solid teams in recent years, Tulsa is a rival of OK st and Nevada would help replace the hole Utah created
BYU is still possible but they seem very reluctant to move to any conference

They are not going to dilute the conference and bring their payouts down for all teams. Those teams don't bring in any additional money, so if the conference pays them, everyone else loses money.

**Perfect Zero** · 08-06-2012, 09:34 PM

Re: My Random Thoughts on Realignment

Originally posted by TheBlueDude

I think the Big 12 should add Tulsa and a MWC team, maybe Nevada
I know there not extremely strong programs but they fit the geography of the conference and have produced solid teams in recent years, Tulsa is a rival of OK st and Nevada would help replace the hole Utah created
BYU is still possible but they seem very reluctant to move to any conference

This makes no sense. You even mistook Colorado for Utah. If the Big XII was to add any more teams, they would either be in the Virginia or Florida area. Tulsa and Nevada add zero to the conference.

**dickey1331** · 08-06-2012, 09:56 PM

Re: Conference Re-Alignment Thread Part Who Knows

Originally posted by gordogg24p

I don't really see much of an increase in the TV market. Boise State doesn't have much of a following outside of alumni. Houston and SMU may be in Texas, but the state is still dominated by the Longhorns. I can't imagine their market is anymore valuable than a Pitt or Syracuse. UCF might add some value just because of the size of the school, so you're going to have a sizable alumni base, but you're still trying to sell UCF to a state that's focused on UF, FSU, and Miami.

There might be a bit of a difference in terms of TV market, but it's marginal at best.

They add the Philly, Houston, Dallas, Orlando markets. Its all about TV markets. People dont DVR live football games compared to say a TV show which is part of the reason why these TV contracts are so much. Put SMU on in Dallas or Univ of Houston on in Houston and people will watch.

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