Conference Re-Alignment Thread Part Who Knows

[lonewolf371]

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They add the Philly, Houston, Dallas, Orlando markets. Its all about TV markets. People dont DVR live football games compared to say a TV show which is part of the reason why these TV contracts are so much. Put SMU on in Dallas or Univ of Houston on in Houston and people will watch.

Most of them will watch the Cowboys and the Texans. That's the trouble with big markets; they're usually more into pro sports.

[dickey1331]

Most of them will watch the Cowboys and the Texans. That's the trouble with big markets; they're usually more into pro sports.

That is true. Cowboys will always rule Dallas but having the games on Saturday or sometimes on weekdays should be able to offer football while not competing with pro football. SMU won't turn into a big success immediately but seeing how they did in the 80s and the Rangers now shows that Dallas loves a winner and hopefully them and the other Big East teams can start having some success.


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[jamie1981]

Most of them will watch the Cowboys and the Texans. That's the trouble with big markets; they're usually more into pro sports.

Especially true with the Philly market.

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[Perfect Zero]

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The kids play on Friday, the Colleges play on Saturday, and the Pros play on Sunday. That isn't hard to understand. The Longhorns and Aggies have always been successful on television when the Cowboys and Oilers/Texans play on the very next day.

[Blue]

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My bad on Utah I got mixed up, but I just dont see the big 12 getting teams from Any of the Currently AQ conferences, maybe Big East but all the teams joining next year are similarly small schools like Tulsa and Nevada if the Big 12 is looking for a big market they would have added Houston when they had the chance. The big 12 gets about 10-18 million in TV revenue for just having a championship game. I heard about the Florida St mumbles but that would make more sense if the Big 12 brought in another florida school, the only ones available are USF,UCF and FIU. USF and UCF seem like they are trying to establish a traditional rivalry so they seem fine in the Big East and FIU is still several years from being considered. BYU and Notre Dame don't seem interested. They could go Florida St and add a school from a close state but who would they get Southern Miss?

[m.brown_asu85]

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If the SEC/big12 bowl game pushes the big 12 to add at least 2 more members for a championship game I would think that louisville and cincy could be strong targets. Houston and dallas markets aside. The big 12 would like to add some new markets yeah? Why not make a grab for louisville, with a strong program, no pun intended, and tying wvu a little closer to the footprint. Cincy might be a long shot but at the same time they're in talent rich ohio and have a fairly big market in southern ohio.

[Perfect Zero]

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I think you are both missing the point that the ACC is in a tough position still. They have a bowl agreement with the Orange Bowl, but the whole playoff scenario puts their teams on the outside looking in. All it would take is a rogue Florida State or Miami or Clemson or Virginia Tech to jump over to one of the big four and throw the whole thing back into the wash. Big XII would much rather have those teams than teams that are in markets that they already cover or that do not bring in much in viewership.

[TDenverFan]

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Albany and Stony Brook are going to the CAA. AEast is being poached apart.

[cdawg44]

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Boise State non-footbal sports are headed to the Big west. I guess they finally offered up enough money to make it happen.

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/16/boise-states-non-football-sports-reportedly-set-to-join-big-west-in-2013/

http://www.idahostatesman.com/2012/08/16/2233597/kustra-bsu-set-to-join-big-west.html

Also it looks like Boise St. will give the big West a piece of their Big East TV revenue. If I was Boise I wouldn't start commiting that money so quick. I honestly don't think that the Big East is going to get even close to what was offered last year by ESPN.

So that leaves Idaho, New Mexico State, Denver and Seattle. I'm curious what these remaining schools do. Do they try to salvage the WAC as a non-football confrernce and invite Utah Valley, UT-Pan American and Cal State-Bakerfield, try to entice eastern schools to join and revive football or just fold up shop. The only problem with the first two is are these four schools going to remain committed to one another. Denver and Seattle have options if they want out. While Idaho and NMSU are royally screwed at this point.

[dickey1331]

Boise State non-footbal sports are headed to the Big west. I guess they finally offered up enough money to make it happen.

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/16/boise-states-non-football-sports-reportedly-set-to-join-big-west-in-2013/

http://www.idahostatesman.com/2012/08/16/2233597/kustra-bsu-set-to-join-big-west.html

Also it looks like Boise St. will give the big West a piece of their Big East TV revenue. If I was Boise I wouldn't start commiting that money so quick. I honestly don't think that the Big East is going to get even close to what was offered last year by ESPN.

So that leaves Idaho, New Mexico State, Denver and Seattle. I'm curious what these remaining schools do. Do they try to salvage the WAC as a non-football confrernce and invite Utah Valley, UT-Pan American and Cal State-Bakerfield, try to entice eastern schools to join and revive football or just fold up shop. The only problem with the first two is are these four schools going to remain committed to one another. Denver and Seattle have options if they want out. While Idaho and NMSU are royally screwed at this point.

Big East will be around ACC money.


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[cdawg44]

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Big East will be around ACC money.


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Really? The ACC's current contract pays 18-19 million per year per school on average. They will make north of 22 million a year per school and the end of the contract. Every projection of the Big East contract I've seen currently shows that they may get 12 million every year per school if they have football and basketball in the league, 8 million for football only schools and 4 million for basketball only schools.

Unless there is some new info out there, or NBC really overpays for college football, I don't see any scenerio where the Big East even comes close to what the ACC is getting. Honestly, I ESPN walking away from the Big East TV deal without a real fight and just letting NBC have at it which may hurt the value of it.

Does the Big East deserve something close to what the ACC got just based on results on the field and court? Sure I could enterain that argument, because the ACC has grossly underperformed in the past decade when the lights were on. Also, I believe the ACC contract is inflated and overvalued to some degree. However, the Big East has a MASSIVE perception problem right now. Right now its CUSA with 8 Catholic basketball schools and trust that this league ain't 100% stable yet. Plus, you have to split that pot 18 ways, not 14 like the ACC does.

The reason I brought up Boise is that 8 million won't be as much as they think it is once they pay for all those cross country games and pay to house their olympic sports in the Big West.

[cdawg44]

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Plus the above projections were before the confrence lost West Virginia football and basketball, Pitt football and Syracuse basketball

[cdawg44]

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Idaho will be going Indy in 2013 and place the rest of their sports in the Big Sky:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/eye-on-college-football/19809024

My question is how in the heck are they going to get 4 FBS schools to come to Moscow, Idaho to stay FBS eligible.

[TDenverFan]

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Idaho will be going Indy in 2013 and place the rest of their sports in the Big Sky:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/eye-on-college-football/19809024

My question is how in the heck are they going to get 4 FBS schools to come to Moscow, Idaho to stay FBS eligible.

An FCS team, maybe Boise (It's barely a rivalry at this point), maybe Texas State/UTSA/one of the new guys, and maybe schedule a few series with small schools.

Does Idaho really have any rivalries? They could restart their rivalry with Wazzou, maybe?

Though, FCS makes a lot of sense for Idaho, more so than NMSU. Big Sky is ready for them, thye play in an FCS stadium, and have some good rivalries with Montana and ISU.

[dickey1331]

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Really? The ACC's current contract pays 18-19 million per year per school on average. They will make north of 22 million a year per school and the end of the contract. Every projection of the Big East contract I've seen currently shows that they may get 12 million every year per school if they have football and basketball in the league, 8 million for football only schools and 4 million for basketball only schools.

Unless there is some new info out there, or NBC really overpays for college football, I don't see any scenerio where the Big East even comes close to what the ACC is getting. Honestly, I ESPN walking away from the Big East TV deal without a real fight and just letting NBC have at it which may hurt the value of it.

Does the Big East deserve something close to what the ACC got just based on results on the field and court? Sure I could enterain that argument, because the ACC has grossly underperformed in the past decade when the lights were on. Also, I believe the ACC contract is inflated and overvalued to some degree. However, the Big East has a MASSIVE perception problem right now. Right now its CUSA with 8 Catholic basketball schools and trust that this league ain't 100% stable yet. Plus, you have to split that pot 18 ways, not 14 like the ACC does.

The reason I brought up Boise is that 8 million won't be as much as they think it is once they pay for all those cross country games and pay to house their olympic sports in the Big West.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/dennis-dodd/19794041/big-east-hits-a-home-run-with-cbs-aresco

Hiring CBS Sports programming vice president Mike Aresco is a big step in TV negotiating.

http://mobile.nj.com/advnj/db_/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=zLmjecXP&full=true#display

One person familiar with the Big East's per-team worth as a football conference, said that the league could stand to double or triple its current value of $6 million per team — given the right package. However, if a new network inks the Big East to a lucrative deal there is a chance that all the teams will have to sign over their individual broadcast rights as part of the contract. That would provide extra insurance to the network and Big East, should a school decide to defect to another league.

I would also like to point out that since the start of the BCS the SEC has a record of 19-23 against the Big East.

Big East also hired Chris Bevilacqua who helped the PAC 12 and Texas Rangers negotiate their TV deals.