Conference Re-Alignment Thread Part Who Knows

[vtcrb]

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Where will Kansas and Kansas St end up? I know they have been down a little in football, but they are Powers in basketball. I think the Big East should jump all over them, even though it doesnt make they would be in Big East, but neither does TCU. I would love to see the ACC add West Virginia, it would make more sense than them going to SEC. Their History with Virginia Tech is Huge and they could establish one with Virginia. Here is just my thought

ACC- Duke,VT,UNC,NC State, UVA, Florida St, Maryland,Clemson, Miami, BC ,GT, Wake Forest Pitt, Syracuse, West Virginia, South Florida

Big East- UConn, Cincinnati, Louisville, Rutgers, TCU, Kansas, Kansas St, , Memphis, East Carolina, Iowa St, Marshall, Boise St

SEC- Florida, Kentucky, Tennessee, S. Carolina, Georgia, Vanderbilt, Alabama, Auburn, Miss St, Ole Miss, Arkansas, LSU, Southern Miss, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Baylor

Pac10- Oregon, Oregon St, USC, UCLA, Wahington, Wash St, Utah, Colorado, Stanford, Cal, Arizona, Arizona St, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Houston, San Diego St

Big 10-Michigan ,Mich St, Ohio St,Iowa,Northwestern, Purdue, Penn St, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Indiana, Illinois, Army, Navy, Air Force, Colorado St

Texas TURNS into INDEPENDENT with Notre Dame

[bluengold34_OS]

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If you were Baylor, what do you do?

They are getting a bad rap for doing the ONLY thing they can to save their program.

Tech is being quiet because Texas is taking them into the Pac. I have a suspicion that they knew this all along. No reason for them to talk and mess it up.

Iowa State, Baylor, Kansas State, and to a certain extent Kansas and Missouri, have a lot to lose. Everyone else has somewhere to go. So faulting them for not just sitting back and taking it because that's their place is ridiculous.

While I understand where they are coming from, it's not the fault of Texas, Oklahoma, or aTm that schools like Baylor, Iowa St. and Kansas have not produced a product on the field that does not warrant people chasing after them, to join their conferences.

There are plenty of smaller schools who have busted their ***, in effort and money, to make sure their program was growing and gaining national exposure. Do you think 10 years ago, anyone would have wanted Rutgers, Boise St. or TCU as a football program? In 2002 Notre Dame and WVU beat Rutgers a combined 82-0....

Maybe they should have put the same effort into building a consistently winning program, that they are in slapping lawsuits against other schools. People act like these program's that are leaving, were just born with a silver football in their hands.

You know the old saying..."if you build it, they will come"

[Redacted01]

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Where will Kansas and Kansas St end up? I know they have been down a little in football, but they are Powers in basketball. I think the Big East should jump all over them, even though it doesnt make they would be in Big East, but neither does TCU. I would love to see the ACC add West Virginia, it would make more sense than them going to SEC. Their History with Virginia Tech is Huge and they could establish one with Virginia. Here is just my thought

ACC- Duke,VT,UNC,NC State, UVA, Florida St, Maryland,Clemson, Miami, BC ,GT, Wake Forest Pitt, Syracuse, West Virginia, South Florida

Big East- UConn, Cincinnati, Louisville, Rutgers, TCU, Kansas, Kansas St, , Memphis, East Carolina, Iowa St, Marshall, Boise St

SEC- Florida, Kentucky, Tennessee, S. Carolina, Georgia, Vanderbilt, Alabama, Auburn, Miss St, Ole Miss, Arkansas, LSU, Southern Miss, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Baylor

Pac10- Oregon, Oregon St, USC, UCLA, Wahington, Wash St, Utah, Colorado, Stanford, Cal, Arizona, Arizona St, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Houston, San Diego St

Big 10-Michigan ,Mich St, Ohio St,Iowa,Northwestern, Purdue, Penn St, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Indiana, Illinois, Army, Navy, Air Force, Colorado St

Texas TURNS into INDEPENDENT with Notre Dame

I'd put whatever it is you've been drinking away soon.

[vtcrb]

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Not drinking anything. All the Top teams wont be going to the SAME conference and they have been wanting to expand to 16 teams for Some reason. I think 12 teams is plenty. My Idea was just to try to Balance out the Conference Landscape. Let's here your idea

[Redacted01]

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Not drinking anything. All the Top teams wont be going to the SAME conference and they have been wanting to expand to 16 teams for Some reason. I think 12 teams is plenty. My Idea was just to try to Balance out the Conference Landscape. Let's here your idea

All you have to do is listen to who is talking to who. Texas is going with Tech, probably to the Pac; not San Diego State... and Houston? Boise in the Big East... if anything, the Big East is going to the way side because UConn is on the verge of applying from what we've heard. Army, Navy, and Air Force in the Big Ten will NEVER happen. Colorado State in the Big Ten is just laughable. None of the schools are AAU and Big Ten would not want the academies. WVU is more likely to the SEC than the ACC. Southern Miss and Baylor would not be taken by the SEC; they don't need them. They are going to get WVU, possibly Missouri. The C-USA is one conference which is not going to be raided. This expansion is about big names and TV markets. May be something to throw into the video game, but the Earth will open up and swallow itself before some of those teams wind up in the conferences you have them in.

[vtcrb]

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Big East Basketball will keep it going that is why they will add teams. The only reason I added Extra teams to Big 10 was to give them 16 teams. Why wouldnt West Virginia go to ACC. They already have rivalries with Pitt and VT, plus been playing Syracuse for awhile. What teams do they have rivalries with in SEC? You are gonna run out of Quality teams to add to these conferences if they expand to 16 teams. So some of the Extra Spots might have to be filled by Filler teams. San Diego St is a Good fit for the Pac 10 if they expand to 16 teams. Army, Air Force and Navy were just kinda of a wish because of their storied histories adn my Military Allegiance. Southern Miss would be a decent addition to SEC from a standpoint of being a Natural fit playing Ole Miss and Miss St.. I know some of the ideas were far fetched but Baylor, Iowa St, and other teams have to go somewhere.

[Marino]

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Big East Basketball will keep it going that is why they will add teams. The only reason I added Extra teams to Big 10 was to give them 16 teams. Why wouldnt West Virginia go to ACC. They already have rivalries with Pitt and VT, plus been playing Syracuse for awhile. What teams do they have rivalries with in SEC? You are gonna run out of Quality teams to add to these conferences if they expand to 16 teams. So some of the Extra Spots might have to be filled by Filler teams. San Diego St is a Good fit for the Pac 10 if they expand to 16 teams. Army, Air Force and Navy were just kinda of a wish because of their storied histories adn my Military Allegiance. Southern Miss would be a decent addition to SEC from a standpoint of being a Natural fit playing Ole Miss and Miss St.. I know some of the ideas were far fetched but Baylor, Iowa St, and other teams have to go somewhere.

WVU is a glorified community college and doesn't come close to matching the academic standards of the ACC.

[superjames1992]

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WVU really has no chance at going to the ACC. The ACC is all high and mighty about academics, so no chance.

WVU's academics have improved lately in regards to the rankings, but their standards are too low because they try to get as many in-state students as they can. As a result, many of these kids that probably should not have ever gotten in in the first place flunk out of the school, which probably further compounds the problem.

I know here at NCSU, it is easier to get in than at UNC, but I'd estimate that a lot more students flunk out here (I know quite a few people form UNC and I am almost certain this is the case) due to harder-overall courses once you actually get in (almost everyone gets the joys of experiencing CH 101, Physics, ect.) ... yet NCSU is ranked 101st in the nation, or last in the ACC along with Florida State. At the same time, the academic standing between UNC and NCSU is largely irrelevant as students come to NC State for engineering, business, meteorology (nice plug for me, LOL), ect. while students go to UNC for more humanity-related disciplines along with medicine.

[Ziza9Noles94]

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I could see the ACC (for some reason) going after UCONN and Rutgers. I would rather wait for ND or try and get WVU before UCONN and Rutgers though.

Football-wise those two additions do absolutely nothing for the ACC. More empty seats, fans that don't travel and bowl game tickets returned. I hate Swofford more each day. But Coach K is happy. Basketball gets a huge boost.

[superjames1992]

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Football-wise those two additions do absolutely nothing for the ACC. More empty seats, fans that don't travel and bowl game tickets returned. I hate Swofford more each day. But Coach K is happy. Basketball gets a huge boost.

Well, the ACC seems content to have mediocre football and just wants to beef up its basketball status. Syracuse and Pitt don't add a whole lot to the conference (neither has been to the BCS since realignment) football-wise. UConn and Rutgers won't either (although at least UConn went to the Fiesta Bowl last year, but is back to sucking this year). They do get good media markets, though, if that's what they are after. But the Big East would have been the best conference in the country if media markets were all that mattered.

Anyways, WVU AD Oliver Luck issued a statement today. He pretty much said nothing, but what he didn't say might be important.

http://eye-on-collegefootball.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/24156338/32079640

It's never a good sign when a school offers a statement in the middle of conference realignment, and not only does it reaffirm its commitment to its current conference, it doesn't even bother mentioning its current conference at all. Such is the state of affairs with West Virginia's statement, proffered by athletic director Oliver Luck Sunday afternoon. Here's the statement in full:

"There is no question that the landscape of college athletics is once again changing. West Virginia University has great tradition as the state’s flagship land-grant institution, and we will continue working to do what’s best for our University and its athletic teams. No matter how the college athletic landscape changes, there is no doubt WVU is and will remain a national player."

Right--not exactly a good omen for the Big East. Luck is right, of course; the Mountaineers would be a solid fit in both the ACC and the SEC, and maybe even the Big 12 if things get really weird. The only way West Virginia doesn't get picked up by a major conference is if the school fails to be proactive in its future endeavors, and what Luck is telling Mountaineer fans in this statement is that won't happen.

[Redacted01]

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Football-wise those two additions do absolutely nothing for the ACC. More empty seats, fans that don't travel and bowl game tickets returned. I hate Swofford more each day. But Coach K is happy. Basketball gets a huge boost.

Super conferences aren't all about football. It's about expanding your markets. FSU will just have to freeze their lasses off in Boston, Storrs, and Piscataway each year. And more empty seats? People already show up for games at UConn and Rutgers, but then again, i guess people wouldn't want to see lowly FSU come to town. Probably couldn't give away tickets!

[He1nousOne1]

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Monday is going to be huge. We might have seen Texas and Notre Dame joining the B1G but in the end I do believe Notre Dame fanatics couldnt stand the idea of being tethered to the MidWesterners when in reality ND is an Eastern school located in a midwest state. Notre Dame truly belongs in the ACC now that Syracuse and Pitt have gone there. Great move by the ACC admins, guess they are proving they are the intellectual elite in this case. UConn is a fast growing football program and a top notch basketball program. I dont think BC will be able to block them from joining the ACC. UConn and Notre Dame will join this coming week.

Texas was waiting on word from Notre Dame and they probably got it privately thus why the move west was decided upon. When that joint conference announces for those four schools going to the PAC conference, soon after that the SEC will be able to announce the acceptances of A&M and WVU.

Its going to happen very quickly. Seems the B1G comes out the losers in this as far as growth goes but the conferences didn't need to be aggressive like the PAC and ACC did. Without scoring the Texas schools and the Oklahoma schools, the PAC had horrible choices for growth beyond 12. They had to act and offer up whatever was necessary to secure those four.

Unfortunately I don't think the B1G will be in any hurry to grab Missouri so its very possible the SEC will look to snatch them up in the second flurry to follow. With a 16 member ACC, I don't think we will see any defections from the ACC. That leaves the SEC expanding mainly west and they will definitely try to snatch up Missouri if Missouri cant get into the B1G as soon as necessary.

Since I do believe ND will be going ACC, that leaves Rutgers in the rain. After being outmaneuvered by the ACC the B1G will likely want to grab the last opportunity for moving to the eastern seaboard. Rutgers may be Missouri's ticket to the conference they want to be in. Beyond that Kansas and Kansas State/Iowa State need to prove themselves in the newly formed B12/Big East or over in the Mountain West conference and hope that perhaps they can build up their programs to the point that the B1G wont consider them too much of a draw on funds so that they can get a piece of that BTN pie.

[Redacted01]

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It'll be Connecticut and Rutgers before Notre Dame. If they wanted to join a conference like you say, they would have joined the Big East in football years ago.

[Ziza9Noles94]

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Super conferences aren't all about football. It's about expanding your markets. FSU will just have to freeze their lasses off in Boston, Storrs, and Piscataway each year. And more empty seats? People already show up for games at UConn and Rutgers, but then again, i guess people wouldn't want to see lowly FSU come to town. Probably couldn't give away tickets!

I'll assume you're trying to be funny and missed the fact that last year UCOnn couldn't sell their allotment of tickets for their BCS game. Of course they will fill seats when the Noles, Canes, or Vtech comes to town. My concern is will those same fans in Dirty Jersey make the trip to Tally to watch their team play the same way Clemson, UNC, or Virginia fans do.

[LionsFanNJ]

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Football-wise those two additions do absolutely nothing for the ACC. More empty seats, fans that don't travel and bowl game tickets returned. I hate Swofford more each day. But Coach K is happy. Basketball gets a huge boost.

Rutgers travels pretty well actually. One of the better big East teams in that regard.