Only 2 1/2 Weeks to EA Access and No Gameplay... Concerned?

[Big FN Deal]

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Less and less developers are dropping by any forums these days due to the negativity surrounding whatever product it is that they are working on. Doesnt just have to be Madden / 2k / Sony etc.

Some of the negativity is warranted, most is not. Devs are humans too, and sometimes people forget that. Some things are in their control, most things arent. We have had some dedicated people pour in countless 70+ hour weeks and worked on projects at home and while on vacation.

Then they go to "insert forum of game of choice", and read all the negativity, and it hits home hard. Sometimes its just good to get away for a bit.

From my perspective if I was a Dev I would find it very difficult to continually interact with the community without getting disheartened.

Back in 1996, if I wanted to complain to the Devs I had to write a letter, and mail it to them. Most people weren't going to go through that effort. But in 1996, there was also no patching, and internet access was rare in most homes. Even then, it was 56k speed, SLOW, and if someone picked up the phone, you got kicked offline.

Now Devs can fix issues on the fly with patches, and they're connected to the community through Twitter, Twitch, YouTube, Forums, and E-mails. The amount of feedback is just deafening, and as another poster said, most of it is just written in a very toxic manner. Since the Devs are merely human, they're natural psychologically programmed reaction is to simply interact less with the community.

If you want to be heard you need to find a way to communicate in a thorough and mutually beneficial way. If the Devs feel attacked they're not going to listen to you.

I think the actual product should have some determination in that though. Madden and EA have earned more criticism than any other sports game I know of. The stuff they have admitted to and that is known or easily looked up that warrants criticism is astounding, imo, from the boardroom to marketing to development, down to the Madden community. I would think Madden devs would have thicker skin coming in, they presumably know what the deal is, it's akin to going into politics when you get involved with Madden, EA, NFL and the history around all of that.

It should go without saying, no one should be cussing devs out, threatening them, just not being decent and mature, I'm referring to valid criticism on the product that they just don't want to hear. When it gets into that stuff, the "negativity" isn't the fault of the critics, they are just pointing out what's there, the fault lies with EA Tib and by extension, the devs.

[deu22ces]

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I don't think that's true. Rex is making a choice to be so public. I work on ea UFC and the creative developer of that game rarely posts on twitter and isn't extremely active on forums. Some of the other devs do it because they appreciate the feedback AND because OS is very protective of devs that post here. People get banned quick here if they are disrespectful

Rex is one of the few creative directors that regularly interacts with gamers. FIFA doesn't. NBA 2k's creative director doesn't. Same goes for NHL.


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I'm trying to figure out what from my post you think is "not true" exactly. I may not be reading you correctly?

Sorry, but I feel your comment only adds to my point. Instead of me giving him an out by saying his employers put him on the 'front line', you are saying he willfully accepted and initiated the public role. Did he perhaps not expect quite as much 'spotlight'? Maybe. But that's a bit naive in today's culture. In the public's eye, he's manning the ship of the only title of the country's most popular sport. There is no way scrutiny won't follow.

And just to be clear, I have already posted in this very thread that I respect that he is willing to put himself out there. But I also understand that people want to see follow thru on words with the product they receive.

I also think you missed my point in the post a bit, but that's fine.

[Brooke2011]

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My fear is, that nonsense that happened over at Reddit will have effects on this website. Dustin aka "Kane" does a great job listening to the community . Those guys were gunning for him on that sight because of ratings. Totally unfair how he was portrayed . It would be very sad if that type of influence leaves this community because of backlash.

I think this community is a good one . We have a good group of guys for the most part. I agree that this year has been tuff at times waiting for info, but the community has responded appropriately with all things considered.

I know it's hard because usually we're critiquing the game at this point . So without lack of footage we're turning our attention to debate over something else. Which is lack of footage.

This time next week, we will have a whole new debate going on and words like entitlement won't even be be on the top of that list.

[l8knight1]

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He made a young professional's mistake by taking the bait from some online folks. That's what trolls do, bait you. I think he does well in listening to the community, but my biggest issue is the cryptic responses, as it's not always secret info, imo, that we seek; especially post release. I'll stick up for this community in that in general, we want straight answers, regardless if we like them or not, and we all know these moderators won't put up with trolls. The EA Team seems to know their business well and overall, stick to it when it comes to online communication. With that nicety said, where the F are the videos?

[PhillyPhanatic14]

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He made a young professional's mistake by taking the bait from some online folks. That's what trolls do, bait you. I think he does well in listening to the community, but my biggest issue is the cryptic responses, as it's not always secret info, imo, that we seek; especially post release. I'll stick up for this community in that in general, we want straight answers, regardless if we like them or not, and we all know these moderators won't put up with trolls. The EA Team seems to know their business well and overall, stick to it when it comes to online communication. With that nicety said, where the F are the videos?

Sadly I think they're on someone's hard drive getting things like "yeah yeah yeah it's ya boyyyyyyyyyyyy with dat madden gameplay hyyyyyyyyyyype" recorded over top of it for the next 6 days until we finally get to see it and quickly press the mute button.

[UtahUtes32]

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I've learned more about 2k18 in the past week than I have about Madden 18 in the past week... And 2k18 comes out a month after Madden. I don't understand it. And don't try to explain it away, roadman. :P

This thread will disappear once the game releases, but I still don't get it..

[roadman]

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I'm entitled to explain it away, lol.

Nah, just kidding, I'm as perplexed as the next person is about the new strategy and it maybe backfiring.

[UtahUtes32]

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I don't even watch the NBA but I'm more excited for 2k18.. I just want some videos is all

[TombSong]

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1989-2017. 28 Years of Madden. I want you all and the devs all to think about that. From 2006 to 2017

2006 Superstar Mode, QB Vision cone, Highlight Stick
2007 Lead Blocker Control, Highlight stick 2.0
2008 "Weapons"
2009 Bluff Mode, Smart Routes, slide protection, "Gang Tackling"
2010 Pro Tak, "Fight for Fumble" ,"WR/db interaction"
2011 Game Flow, "LOCO motion"
2012 "40 player gang tackles", "Read react defense", custom playbooks
2013 Infinity engine(physics)
Madden 25 Infinity 2.0, new running controls
Madden 15 Defensive vision cone
Madden 16 Air Supremacy(the RAC (run after catch), the Aggressive Catch, and the Possession Catch.) Defensive Ball Hawk
Madden 17 Ball carrier prompts, changed juke moves
Madden 18 Adding NCAA features, Change juke moves, Target passing

13 Years of programming and things have not progressed much beyond AP2K8 and some things are still worse.

How anyone can view this and not consider how SAD this is, is beyond me.
Despite this, madden still gets support from its community and the way they reward that support is hide the game from you till 2 weeks prior from release.

OK, You can show vids whenever you want, however when you release vids, I dont want to see pet youtubers vision of your game. I want to see the EA DEVS PROUDLY PRESENTING their game with all its advertised features working as ADVERTISED. I EXPECT the reviewers here at OS and anywhere on the planet to DO THE SAME.

Demonstrate how the new targeted passing system works and why we should be inclined to use it. SHOW the pros and cons of it. SHOW the defenses counter for it.

SHOW the ID the mike system you advertise, WORKING under various situations.

EXPLAIN how the player ratings work and how they counter each other from the offensive and defensive side of the ball.

To date NONE of YOU....NONE of you...DEVS or GAME REVIEWERS have truely expalined it all nor have showed that the stuff actually works as it should. HOWEVER when some honest people show vids of the tech NOT working as advertised and begging for explanation its met with scorn and wait until next year... Look at that list above from 06 to now..When is next year ever gonna get here ?

If this years Madden does NOT do what it Advertises and we see the same BS we have ALWAYS seen. I sure hope that these youtubers and people with connections to the NFL all get together and make a BIG PLEA to the NFL to END this monopoly and allow other companies to make a football game.

I am waiting for that year that I can eat crow and say, DAMN they actually made a GREAT game this year.

[SageInfinite]

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Don't forget true step and it never being fleshed out as they said it would be.....

[XtremeDunkz]

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1989-2017. 28 Years of Madden. I want you all and the devs all to think about that. From 2006 to 2017

2006 Superstar Mode, QB Vision cone, Highlight Stick
2007 Lead Blocker Control, Highlight stick 2.0
2008 "Weapons"
2009 Bluff Mode, Smart Routes, slide protection, "Gang Tackling"
2010 Pro Tak, "Fight for Fumble" ,"WR/db interaction"
2011 Game Flow, "LOCO motion"
2012 "40 player gang tackles", "Read react defense", custom playbooks
2013 Infinity engine(physics)
Madden 25 Infinity 2.0, new running controls
Madden 15 Defensive vision cone
Madden 16 Air Supremacy(the RAC (run after catch), the Aggressive Catch, and the Possession Catch.) Defensive Ball Hawk
Madden 17 Ball carrier prompts, changed juke moves
Madden 18 Adding NCAA features, Change juke moves, Target passing

All in red are already gone. So Embarrassing.

[Brightline]

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The single biggest issue with Madden is its inability to chart a course and stick with it. Nearly every new feature has follow the same trajectory. 1) Introduce new feature 2) explain that issues or shortcomings with the feature are because its "year 1" 3) leave feature untouched or remove

Just a great example of this is CFM relocation.

[poulka]

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@TombSong I COMPLETELY agree with your post. From 2006 until present madden has had all these different components. Madden saw more improvement from 94-02 (8 years) then the last 11 years combined. Guess what as inferior as those Maddens were I played the heck out of them. Now I can't get two full seasons done. Like someone put in red most of those components have disappeared. I'm just tired of the here this year and gone in two years, some don't make that.

What's more troubling are those that, that get defensive when we try to offer suggestions or criticize the lack of innovation in Madden.

[vrtkolman]

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In all previous years, I would have the game pre-ordered by now despite having serious doubts about the game itself. The NFL is like crack. However this year is different, I don't have that urge to start a franchise after watching actual football for the first time in months last night. This might be the first time I actually stand my ground and NOT purchase this year's Madden.

The lack of franchise improvements is 99% the reason, but the lack of gameplay videos this close to release is slightly worrying. I wonder if bandaging the Madden engine all these years finally blew up after implementing Frostbite?

[SageInfinite]

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I wonder if bandaging the Madden engine all these years finally blew up after implementing Frostbite?

That is hilarious, lmao.

Thinking about it now, I personally don't know why anyone would be up in arms about footage. It looks like the same **** every year. They barely change anything graphically or animation wise from year to year.

Now playing it I can understand or appreciate some of the new stuff, or differences.....