As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.
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Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.
Boycotting buying the game is great and I truly mean it when I say that I applaud you for the effort but it's important to understand that it is something that has a minimal impact.
This entire site could bow out on buying the game and it wouldn't mean anything.
You have always been great about pointing out the positives AND the negatives in the right way so the truth is you could actually add more value to the future of the game by playing it and offering more feedback than not playing it.
This truly goes back to us all being in this together. If you don't want to spend the money on the game out of principle, that is perfectly understandable.
The truth is though, you are more valuable to the community if you've played the game rather than if you haven't.Comment
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Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.
What if the telemetry EA has collected since the PS2/360 era showed that the more detailed and deep the franchise was the less it was played? What if the most popular mode they have drove the bulk of their customers to move on to other games, making it less likely they would be annual purchasers of the game?
What if focus groups have shown them that the mere existence of deeper franchise tools turn off these customers, who now feel that they are being punished for not caring about the finer points of team building?
If you were the publisher, what would you do? Would you cater to the small, but vocal group that demands features that they feel hurt sales, or the much, much larger base that just wants to play the game?
Would you cater to the small, but vocal, group that will complain every year about how bad the game is, because, seriously, no matter how close it gets, it only makes what misses sim that more glaring, or would you cater to the much, much larger group that thinks the notion of organizing a boycott is ridiculous?
Because, while it is fun to characterize EA as evil or lazy, the reality is that they are extremely data driven. What they choose to do with their game reflects the telemetry they get each year.
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Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.
What if the telemetry EA has collected since the PS2/360 era showed that the more detailed and deep the franchise was the less it was played? What if the most popular mode they have drove the bulk of their customers to move on to other games, making it less likely they would be annual purchasers of the game?
What if focus groups have shown them that the mere existence of deeper franchise tools turn off these customers, who now feel that they are being punished for not caring about the finer points of team building?
If you were the publisher, what would you do? Would you cater to the small, but vocal group that demands features that they feel hurt sales, or the much, much larger base that just wants to play the game?
Would you cater to the small, but vocal, group that will complain every year about how bad the game is, because, seriously, no matter how close it gets, it only makes what misses sim that more glaring, or would you cater to the much, much larger group that thinks the notion of organizing a boycott is ridiculous?
Because, while it is fun to characterize EA as evil or lazy, the reality is that they are extremely data driven. What they choose to do with their game reflects the telemetry they get each year.
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Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.
well theres not much we can do they have the license after allComment
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Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.
That's kinda of hard to do for football junkies with this being the only football game and all.
Personally I haven't brought madden in what would be three years, I wait for it to hit EA access.
I believe they are headed in the right direction but some key things still need fixing like the topic of this thread, some keys things still missing like a revamped challenge system better offline cfm.
What sucks is by the time it's close to getting there will get a new dev team and be right back at square one.Horseshoes & HollyWoodComment
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Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.
That's kinda of hard to do for football junkies with this being the only football game and all.
Personally I haven't brought madden in what would be three years, I wait for it to hit EA access.
I believe they are headed in the right direction but some key things still need fixing like the topic of this thread, some keys things still missing like a revamped challenge system better offline cfm.
What sucks is by the time it's close to getting there will get a new dev team and be right back at square one.
Hard, sure but if you are upset with the direction the game is going, buying the game isnt going to encourage EA to make those changes.
I'm happy with the direction the game is going so I buy it. I wouldnt if I wasnt.Comment
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Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.
In regard to computer quarterback play, has anyone tried messing with edits. For quarterbacks, there are 3 categories that can influence their decisions. For example, I would think we would want to change all QB's trait to throw away to yes. That could mean less sacks. Just curious if editing traits has been tested, and if so what would be the recommendations.
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Here's another really bad one I had last night:
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I've been noticing more pocket movement although it's quite erratic and not very intelligent at all. Here's another play from the same game:
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Not as bad and he did evade but it's something I've seen a decent amount of also and that's the QB's running straight backwards. If Winston immediately moves to his right, Jones who tackled the running back isn't really a factor. But because Winston runs straight backwards it allows him to get back up and actually get the sack.Comment
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Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.
What if the telemetry EA has collected since the PS2/360 era showed that the more detailed and deep the franchise was the less it was played?SpoilerWhat if the most popular mode they have drove the bulk of their customers to move on to other games, making it less likely they would be annual purchasers of the game?
What if focus groups have shown them that the mere existence of deeper franchise tools turn off these customers, who now feel that they are being punished for not caring about the finer points of team building?
If you were the publisher, what would you do? Would you cater to the small, but vocal group that demands features that they feel hurt sales, or the much, much larger base that just wants to play the game?
Would you cater to the small, but vocal, group that will complain every year about how bad the game is, because, seriously, no matter how close it gets, it only makes what misses sim that more glaring, or would you cater to the much, much larger group that thinks the notion of organizing a boycott is ridiculous?
Because, while it is fun to characterize EA as evil or lazy, the reality is that they are extremely data driven. What they choose to do with their game reflects the telemetry they get each year.
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Absolutely correct, nothing we can do about this situation, not buying changes nothing, Madden still would be what it is. Imo, the suggestion to "not buy" or more specifically to not play/bother with Madden marginalizes dissent in the discussion. One of the first things that would be said to attempt to invalidate Madden criticism would be something like "you don't even play the game". So I'll at least play Madden every year, without buying new or paying full price, as long as it's the only current NFL game available, not only for the chance that maybe at some point it's football better enough for me to enjoy but also because I choose to try to have some game play exposure to a game I discuss.
As far as the CPU QB play goes, what I find odd is, I seem to recall the matter of CPU play calling in game plans, CPU QB play in player tendencies, player ratings and various slider sets as something that's been discussed and put out there for EA TIb from the community for many years. When advocating for a simulation setting, I've repeatedly suggested that at the least EA TIb put slider set creators, game plan adjusters, etc all together in a beta test of sorts, to see what they could come up with. I'm not trying to oversimplify this issue, I just wonder how much certain things like this could be diminished if EA co-opted many of these type of gamers in the community that work diligently on this stuff in their free time and who's main motivation is a better football experience.Comment
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Wow, so much I'd like to post in response to this but no need, I'll just sum it up with, they can do what other publishers have successfully done with games that have much deeper "franchise" modes. The sentiment or impression from posts like this baffle me because they seem to require ignoring or being unaware of what has been successfully done in the football gaming genre and what's still being successfully done in other sports gaming genres.
Absolutely correct, nothing we can do about this situation, not buying changes nothing, Madden still would be what it is. Imo, the suggestion to "not buy" or more specifically to not play/bother with Madden marginalizes dissent in the discussion. One of the first things that would be said to attempt to invalidate Madden criticism would be something like "you don't even play the game". So I'll at least play Madden every year, without buying new or paying full price, as long as it's the only current NFL game available, not only for the chance that maybe at some point it's football better enough for me to enjoy but also because I choose to try to have some game play exposure to a game I discuss.
As far as the CPU QB play goes, what I find odd is, I seem to recall the matter of CPU play calling in game plans, CPU QB play in player tendencies, player ratings and various slider sets as something that's been discussed and put out there for EA TIb from the community for many years. When advocating for a simulation setting, I've repeatedly suggested that at the least EA TIb put slider set creators, game plan adjusters, etc all together in a beta test of sorts, to see what they could come up with. I'm not trying to oversimplify this issue, I just wonder how much certain things like this could be diminished if EA co-opted many of these type of gamers in the community that work diligently on this stuff in their free time and who's main motivation is a better football experience.
My take on this is rather simple. They don't want to. Not that they are not aware of the CPU shortcomings in QB play and play calling, etc...they of course are aware. They do not want to fix it.
Why? That's for them to know and for us to speculate on. Many reasons I am sure. But after how many years now have we been asking for this? Five? Ten? Twenty? I think the answer lays in their non-action.
They don't want to take this on. They will make small "tweaks" which they hope alleviate most of the problem in QB CPU play, but they don't want to make the CPU AI, play selection, etc more true to life and "real."
If they wanted to, they would have by now. They don't want to do it..regardless of how often their pre-release interviews and blogs reference simulation and making the game as close to what you see on Sunday as possible.Comment
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If this is true, then does the offline subset of OS make us look even smaller?
Legit question: can EA harvest data from people who play offline with local saves.
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Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.
They could still make the franchise mode deeper for the people that want it like that and then for the much larger base that just wants to play the game EA could do what they are doing now with Madden 18 and let those people just switch it so the cpu will handle everything and they can just play the game.
Just give me Franchise Mode as it existed in M2004. That's all I've been asking for.
Sell it as an add-on, online content, h@ll, I'll pay for 2 games.
Name your price. I'll drop a couple hundred bucks. THATS what it would mean to me.
.. and if I am in the minority on this, it sure does seem like a vocal one.
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Let's see you acknowledge a man whose words make your blood boil, advocating at the top of his lungs that which you would spend a lifetime opposing at the top of yours.Comment
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