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  • ijumpedthegun
    Rookie
    • Jan 2016
    • 360

    #61
    Re: Why can’t Madden make a game like NBA 2k

    One of my favorite discussions year in and year out, sad I missed the thread till just now...

    Originally posted by AUTiger1
    I'll never figure out how the NHL and Madden series are so dramatically different when both are EA games. Sure, we're talking about different development teams but c'mon, there needs to be some kind of common ground. Anyone that has ever played the NHL series in recent years and sees the level of immersion in franchise mode and then you look at Madden where it's a bare bones franchise mode. WTF man? Not just that, but look at the create-a-team features in NHL compared to Madden. It's unbelievable.
    It has a lot to do with fanbases, I think. Football in America is the popular, mainstream sport right now. With that comes a lot of middle-of-the-road, surface-level, mainstream fans. Those are the guys who will mindlessly blow their money on a mode like MUT.

    I don't know a lot of NHL fans, but I'll say this about every NHL fan I know: they're hardcore. They know all the ins-and-outs of their favorite team and every single one of their friends' favorite teams. I'd be wiling to bet a HUGE chunk of their target audience are franchise guys. Unfortunately, that's not the case for Madden.

    And yeah, 2k has sliders for everything. Every year it seems like we pester the devs to make trading harder or make contracts more realistic (and, to their credit, they have in 20). In 2k, not only can you change how teams value trades, you can change how they value specific types of players for trades and free agency (big name, potential, scheme fit, etc). There's a slider to regulate how players value their contracts (slider for financial vs. nonfinancial interests).

    There are guys on the Madden team that really want us to have the best franchise mode possible--there have been guys that left, presumably because they were tired of fighting the suits on what they had clearance to add every year. I think the upper brass at EA are starting to give those guys a little more freedom, but there's still a long way to go.

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    • inkcil
      All Star
      • Jul 2002
      • 5253

      #62
      Re: Why can’t Madden make a game like NBA 2k

      "I wish I never met her" is a lyric from a song about a guy who fell in love and lost it and decided it was better to not have loved at all...that's how I feel about the NFL 2K years. Ignorance would be bliss right now if all we ever had was Madden. And remember, 15 years ago NFL 2k was ahead of NBA 2k. Imagine an NFL 2k19 better than NBA 2k19. The "what ifs" will drive you crazy, man. We gotta let it go. She's gone.

      I just try to enjoy Madden for what it is at its core: a light-hearted simcade tournament style game best enjoyed in short bursts with friends over the weekend. Play MUT, enjoy a fantasy draft, make a character based off your own profile and see how you do when you put yourself in the game...try to go for a 125 catch season! Be the QB and pass for 50 TDs! Or just talk smack with a friend and see if you can make your team beat his team. Bragging rights!

      That is what Madden is about. Not all this "sim/franchise/play like real life/realistic penalties and stats" mumbo jumbo. Accept it and you will be shocked at how much accepting it for what it is will allow you to enjoy it.
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      • ODogg
        Hall Of Fame
        • Feb 2003
        • 37953

        #63
        Re: Why can’t Madden make a game like NBA 2k

        Originally posted by DocHolliday
        Madden is marred by old code from probably almost 20 years ago that they keep slapping new code on, and the cycle continues.

        They have not really had a full blown engine upgrade since PS2. I’m sure they talk about it, but the undertaking must be massive to try and do it.

        Hence we have sit in football purgatory for 14 years.

        I am a believer that the NFL will eventually open their eyes and see what 2K has done for the NBA with there game, and open up the license again.



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        Not true, they just switched to Frostbite in the recent past.


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        • highmiles100
          Banned
          • Jun 2016
          • 269

          #64
          Re: Why can’t Madden make a game like NBA 2k

          As long as EA has the ONLY rights to license this game you all are going to get a crappy game. The bad part is, each and every year you all come on here complaining but still give your money to EA....

          If I owned EA and put out a crappy product and people stilll bought it by the masses I wouldn't do much to change it either.

          My $.02

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          • ODogg
            Hall Of Fame
            • Feb 2003
            • 37953

            #65
            Re: Why can’t Madden make a game like NBA 2k

            Originally posted by highmiles100
            As long as EA has the ONLY rights to license this game you all are going to get a crappy game. The bad part is, each and every year you all come on here complaining but still give your money to EA....

            If I owned EA and put out a crappy product and people stilll bought it by the masses I wouldn't do much to change it either.

            My $.02
            Game is awesome, that's why I bought THREE copies of it, one for PC, one for Xbox One and one for PS4. So I'm good for taking two of the folks out there who supposedly voted with their wallets and canceling them out

            And P.S. - the bone to pick is with the NFL, not EA. They are the ones who keep the license exclusive.
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            • highmiles100
              Banned
              • Jun 2016
              • 269

              #66
              Re: Why can’t Madden make a game like NBA 2k

              Originally posted by ODogg
              Game is awesome, that's why I bought THREE copies of it, one for PC, one for Xbox One and one for PS4. So I'm good for taking two of the folks out there who supposedly voted with their wallets and canceling them out

              And P.S. - the bone to pick is with the NFL, not EA. They are the ones who keep the license exclusive.
              If YOU think the game is awesome then I'm happy for you that YOUR expectations were met. For a lot of us this game is far from awesome, nowhere realistic and doesn't meet OUR expectations.

              As for the game, the NFL doesn't make the game, EA does; so I have no gripe with the NFL, they're in the business of making money and EA has paid A LOT of money to obtain exclusive rights.

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              • Heisman
                Pro
                • Dec 2007
                • 560

                #67
                Re: Why can’t Madden make a game like NBA 2k

                Originally posted by ODogg
                Game is awesome, that's why I bought THREE copies of it, one for PC, one for Xbox One and one for PS4. So I'm good for taking two of the folks out there who supposedly voted with their wallets and canceling them out

                And P.S. - the bone to pick is with the NFL, not EA. They are the ones who keep the license exclusive.
                Can I ask what the point is? I would never buy 3 copies of ANY game unless I had a kid that wanted to play it and I didn’t want him/her playing on my console.
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                • 57oceanlover
                  Rookie
                  • Sep 2016
                  • 65

                  #68
                  Re: Why can’t Madden make a game like NBA 2k

                  Madden has been always will be a "PRETTY" Game.. But for "One The Field Play" After all these years it Still cant come close to the On Field Play of 2k5 or 2k8... EA will never change as long as the children keep buying it.

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                  • CujoMatty
                    Member of Rush Nation
                    • Oct 2007
                    • 5445

                    #69
                    Re: Why can’t Madden make a game like NBA 2k

                    I don’t remember the exact year but I do remember the situation when 2k took off and separated itself from most others in terms of quantity and quality and it’s still one of the smartest things any game company has done. They hired people from the community. Guys that weren’t about the bottom dollar. Guys that dedicated their time for free to help the community and had nothing but pure love for the game. The 2 biggest was Czar and Leftos.

                    I think everyone knows who Czar is at this point but Leftos was a NBA 2k modding God at NLSC forever and all those cool things that have been implemented into 2K like relocation, jersey editing, dornas........the list goes on and on, is stuff he was making tools for the modding community. Can you imagine doing all that for free and then having the company that makes the game actually want to start paying you for it?

                    I think the whole Mike Wang leaving 2k for EA and then going back before his coffee got cold tells me everything I need to know about the difference between EA and 2k.

                    I love EA, I truly do. It would be crazy for me not to. If I went down a list of my top 100 games ever EA would probably have published 50 of them. How could I not love them. That being said I just really don’t think they get it.
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                    • TheGentlemanGhost
                      MVP
                      • Jun 2016
                      • 1321

                      #70
                      Why can’t Madden make a game like NBA 2k

                      This game probably is great for non CFM guys and specifically online players. The gameplay elements are there, especially for quick games. But if you are a sim/CFM player, there is so much missing and those quick game/online elements do not help the game for us CFM guys.

                      There are simply just different aspects of the game that CFM guys look for compared to online players. Unfortunately, a lot of this stuff benefits single games played with 6-8 min quarters more than people who play longer games throughout multiple seasons.

                      EA higher ups need to realize there are people who have given up on the Franchise because they don’t put in enough time to give CFM players the tools to properly produce good Franchise experiences. H2H guys want different gameplay than CFM players, and companies like 2K have realized that, which is why they gave us countless sliders and features to manipulate the game and individual players in-game.


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                      • Cato06
                        Rookie
                        • Sep 2016
                        • 288

                        #71
                        Why can’t Madden make a game like NBA 2k

                        Originally posted by Heisman
                        I don’t think we should end the discussion. Maybe we should forward this to the EA higher ups. They added back the pro bowl this year and we’re supposed to be happy? If NBA 2k or MLB the show was missing the all star game and they added it as a new feature i’d expect those sub forums on OS to have threads saying wtf as well.


                        There are so many of us who have tried over the last 10+ years to get our ideas to EA to improve franchise and presentation. They have their agenda and that is to find modes that make money. Unless you find a way for them to add features into franchise mode that can make them extra cash, that’s the only way your getting through to them. And even if they do like one of your ideas and use it, it will be some watered down version of what you were expecting. For example what they did with the “draft presentation” last year. They just don’t get what we want. Some of them even admit they would love to do some of the things we ask for but the higher ups are way too involved at EA and will continue to get in the way of those things happening. It’s a never ending cycle unless something changes in the way they operate within the company itself.

                        I’ve come to peace with it and just don’t even want to waste any more time putting in effort into writing threads detailing our wishes for the next madden. Their agenda is the exact polar opposite of anything I would like them to add or work on in the game. It’s a lost cause at this point. I’m done. Look at all that time deuce put into his thread about franchise improvements. They even acknowledged the thread and complimented it and how much have they used from that??? Maybe like 2% of his ideas? he had some really productive, well detailed ideas for the mode to be better too and they just continue down a road of developing new features no one asked for and has everyone scratching their heads.



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                        • UtahUtes32
                          MVP
                          • Jul 2007
                          • 1782

                          #72
                          Re: Why can’t Madden make a game like NBA 2k

                          Originally posted by ODogg

                          And P.S. - the bone to pick is with the NFL, not EA. They are the ones who keep the license exclusive.
                          Hahaha the blame is on both, it's not like the NFL has to twist EA's arm to get them to agree to the exclusivity agreement.

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                          • TheGentlemanGhost
                            MVP
                            • Jun 2016
                            • 1321

                            #73
                            Re: Why can’t Madden make a game like NBA 2k

                            Originally posted by pimpycraig
                            Hahaha the blame is on both, it's not like the NFL has to twist EA's arm to get them to agree to the exclusivity agreement.


                            It’s on the NFL. They don’t even NEED to keep making the license exclusive. So of course EA isn’t going to just give up a franchise like Madden.


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                            • Dolphins88
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                              • Aug 2013
                              • 186

                              #74
                              Re: Why can’t Madden make a game like NBA 2k

                              I hate exclusivity it’s bad for games period

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                              • DocHolliday
                                Farewell and 'ado
                                • Oct 2002
                                • 4698

                                #75
                                Re: Why can’t Madden make a game like NBA 2k

                                Originally posted by ODogg
                                Not true, they just switched to Frostbite in the recent past.


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                                They didn’t rebuild any base code though, they ported it over than frostbite totally handcuffed them. There are articles about it, I’ll look.


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