Madden NFL 10 Ratings: Top 10 by Position (ESPN Videogames)

[Obelysk]

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I went back to see Brady's air yards/completion throughout his career, and I was actually wrong. He had one year (2004) where he had a higher air yds/comp than he did in 07. This was a simple copy paste thing so I could have had an error somewhere in here. This is also the numbers for the teams as a whole, so it includes the few passes not thrown by Brady in the said seasons. Anyway, here are the numbers by year.

year-air yards/completion
2001-5.31
2002-4.76
2003-6.34
2004-7.23
2005-6.66
2006-5.56
2007-6.97

When you're not even throwing the ball more than 6 yards down the field (on average), it's a lot easier to get good completion %s and low INTs. I'm not saying he's not a great QB, but he is overrated. You really have to dig into stats to get a true picture.

Sorry but how exactly are you getting these numbers? You said you did the math yourself right? Where did you get "air yards" from?

[steelers1]

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Sorry but how exactly are you getting these numbers? You said you did the math yourself right? Where did you get "air yards" from?

It's not complicated. Yahoo sports has all the Receiving stats for each team including the average YAC for each receiver. I use those numbers to get total YAC, subtract that from total passing yards, and divide by number of receptions. Here is an example for the air yards using a single receiver (Wes Welker 2007).
112 rec 1175 yds, 5.7 YAC avg.

5.7 YAC avg * 112 rec = 638 total YAC
1175 total yards - 638 YAC = 537 air yards
537 air yards/112 rec = 4.79 air yards/completion

I basically do that but use the whole set of receivers for a given year.

[Candyman5]

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I agree with your general arguement but I never understand rating players against the HOF. Those players don't play in todays NFL and Madden shouldn't consider them. Madden should be based of the players we see today. 99= best at position and bet in the NFL. It can be a couple of players at the same position.

Portis has shown no breakaway speed since gaining weight.

If that is the case then lets talk about Westbrook, He has only been in the top 5 rushing yards like twice (Yes 2007 and 2006) and in them years he had 90 rec and 77 rec. If he doesn't catch balls out of the back field, he doesn't get rushing yard. I am tired of Biased Philly fans wanting him to have ratings like he has had past years. He is not very leathal running the ball and never really was. He is a threat to defenses because of the options that Westy gives the offense in how to use him. Ocassionally he can get some big runs, but that is occasionally. Exactly like Reggie Bush.

Stats: Last Year: 936 rushing yards w/ 54 rec for 402 yards.

I mean the games I have watched of philly (Unfortunately alot since I live in WV) he has had his big run games after he is used in the passing. If a team shuts down his passing aspect then he cant do anything.

[Obelysk]

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It's not complicated. Yahoo sports has all the Receiving stats for each team including the average YAC for each receiver. I use those numbers to get total YAC, subtract that from total passing yards, and divide by number of receptions. Here is an example for the air yards using a single receiver (Wes Welker 2007).
112 rec 1175 yds, 5.7 YAC avg.

5.7 YAC avg * 112 rec = 638 total YAC
1175 total yards - 638 YAC = 537 air yards
537 air yards/112 rec = 4.79 air yards/completion

I basically do that but use the whole set of receivers for a given year.

I am sure you take into account 3rd string TEs and RBs and 5th WRs as well right?

[steelers1]

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No, you need to watch the film. How many qb's in the superbowl have led their team to game winning drives? In the five situations that Brady has participated in, he has won 3 and lost 2. The 3 would consist of 3 Superbowl rings of course, and the two would be the final game of an 18-0 season, in the superbowl with appoximately a minute and some change on the clock. The other would be on the road, with inferior receivers against on paper, a vastly superior team. A year inwhich it was a miracle that they even got to the AFC championship game, let alone having an opportunity to win it. The fact that they got that far is a bigger testimony to Brady's greatness, as opposed to your short sighted perception, attempting to spin it as a weakness.


Rings= champion

3rings = greatness

greatness = Brady

Get your math game tight!

Saying Brady is great in his wins is completely understandable, and it's not his fault that he only needed FGs to win the Super Bowls. But defending him in his losses is a bit much. He threw a redzone pick against Denver that Champ Bailey returned 100 yards back to the Pats 1 yard line in the Divisional Round in 2006 which pretty much sealed the game for Denver, he threw a game losing INT to the Colts (and don't even try to say the Colts were vastly superior... they had a HORRIBLE defense that season, although they tightened up in the playoffs) and the Super Bowl he actually did have a go ahead TD to Moss, but left too much time on the clock. But Brady is also very lucky. I remember a game against the Chargers in the playoffs where Brady threw a pick and the defender fumbled it and the Pats recovered and then they went down the field to get the score and win the game. And as far as luck, the tuck rule is obviously the first thing you think of. And this is completely leaving out Spygate...

[steelers1]

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I am sure you take into account 3rd string TEs and RBs and 5th WRs as well right?

I used every single receiver that caught a pass in each respective season and used Excel to calculate the numbers. They are correct. I'm an engineer and I'm more than capable of performing simple arithmetic. If you want to do it yourself, just use this website and change the years to get the numbers you want.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/nwe/stats

[Sanchez_Mareno]

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Lol, I'll give you some of my real observations after watching much Brady gametape from 06 and 07 (since he reached his peak during those years). It won't include the copout phrase "HE IS A SYSTEM QB"!

His weaknesses are as follows:

-He will throw off his back foot and his ball will sail high
-He is terrible at throwing on the run or when he is forced left
-His accuracy in the middle portion of the field is mediocre
-He tends to throw late over the middle and will force passes over the middle that just are not there
-Leadfooted and not a running threat
-Has a hitch in his delivery

Im sure Wes Welker would disagree

[PGaither84]

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Again, you really need to watch the film. There is nothing special about throwing the ball to HBs who are wide open in prevent defenses. It's not like Brady was having to thread the needle.

Now mind you, you would have an argument if Brady had EVER won a crucial game himself. BUT HE HASN'T!

When Brady needs a TD, he can't do it. He couldn't do it in the playoffs against INDY in 2006, and he couldn't do it in the SB against the Giants in 2007. Why? Because he needed more than 3 points. What was the result? He threw a pick against Indy and couldn't even get past mid-field against the Giants.

Brady = Hype

Film = Fact

Normally I like what you have to say [even if I don't agree] shotgun styles, but this... this was bad.

You really need to slow down and check your facts before you post things like this. The fact of the matter is that Brady drove his team down for a TD on his final "real" drive. Then, Manning took over and the Giants coverted a 4th and 1, a 3rd and long, got lucky twice that he wasn't picked, had the David Tyree catch, and finished with a great TD to Plex. Brady took over with under 40 seconds and one time out. Oh, and he threw two strikes to Moss in stride that MOSS failed to catch. he then got sacked and had a last second lob hail marry play. If Moss catches EITHER of those two bombs the past can take the final Time out and try for the tie. I have the superbowl and the prior year's AFC championship game of VHS and I watch them from time to time... heartbreaking.

In the AFC championship game you are also ignoring how sloppy both teams played. In that game I saw not only did one Offensive lineman recover a fumble for a TD, but it happened twice in that game [once for each team]. Also, with an 18 point lead at the half, Indy played VERY well and burned the life out of the clock in the comback to tire out the D. No excuses, Indy played great. Tom did his job and his recivers failed him several times [which is why they spent big money and trades for Stallworth, Welker and Moss.] Brady, however did throw that pick at mid field, and the Colts rightfully took that game. However, this isn't a failure of Tom, but a great game and great COMBACK by Manning and the Colts. When Manning played Brady in the post season the prior two times, Manning threw 4 and 3 picks respectively and those games weren't even competative.

Over and over again Tom can manage a game and run that offense. People like to watch Manning throw bombs for big gain, and are bored by Brady's dump off passes and big formations ran by NE. The point in the end is to win the game, not please the crowd. Brady knows how to win [but you cannot win them all (would the dolphins have won 18+ in a row?)].

Given the history, I would rather have Tom Brady than Manning. The primary reason is that manning gets arrogant and over-thinks himself. How many times have we seen Manning make terrible mistakes to cost his teams games when things are tough compared to coming through? [to be fair these last 3 years he has truely matured and has changed that] compare to Tom Brady who knows how to maintain a close game and control the tempo and finds ways to win more often than he doesn't.

You liek stats? tell me how many TD/INTs Brady and Manning have thrown in the Post season and the Superbowl [seperatly] and tell me who has played better in the post season in general? Manning is a FANTASTIC QB, no doubt, but he is a great regular season, fantasy football star. Brady is a winner.

[celg35]

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this is a ridiculous debate about tom brady....he is the best QB in football............you have to be an ignorant to see otherwise.

he has all the tools and he has the most important tool....his football iQ.

this argument is just nonsense......he reached his peak in 06-07???????? what, when he broke the touchdown record............name a qb who is better...............guess what you...............are wrong....................

[jbooc13]

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Antonio gates and witten should have the same speed 80. jackson and westbrook should both be at 90. philip rivers should the 4th or 5th best quarterback. wheres eli ?

[jbooc13]

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Antonio gates and witten should have the same speed 80. jackson and westbrook should both be at 90. philip rivers should the 4th or 5th best quarterback. wheres eli ? tomlinson should have 100 carry.out of all 16 games he didn fumble once.

[celg35]

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and another note...arm strength has nothing to with how good you are as a qb...example...i remember a qb named ryan leaf, who had a great arm.......hmmmm.......whatever happened to him

[PGaither84]

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I think the other problem is the concept of what does "overrated" mean? Giving Tom Brady a 97THP is overrated, giving Manning higher TAS and TAM than tom makes him "overrated." However, saying Brady and Manning are equally great QBs and amoung the best in the NFL is "overrating" Brady is ignorant.

People want to hate on a player just becasue they beat you, or some other reason. One friend of mine was talking about how he hates Brady becasue "all he does is throw short passes." Later he tells me how much he likes Chad Pennington... Yeah, he is a Steelers fan. I'm sure those AFC championship games losses and the whooping NE put on Pitt in 07 have nothing to do with him thinking Brady is overrated and hating him Colts fan watching Indy lose to SD, and NE over and over again in the post season after a great regular season year after year breads resentment [and not and honest break down of the opposition.]

The fact of the matter is that players like McNabb, Manning and other make consistant mistakes that cost their teams games just like Romo and others. Brady get lucky [eveyone knows that], but it isn't just luck that wins games for NE. In fact there was a clip I saw on ESPN where Brady said "I'd rather be lucky than good," with a smile on his face.

As a football fan I just love to watch Colts/Pats games becasue you KNOW it will be a good one no matter what becasue you are watchign the best in the league.

[steelers1]

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this is a ridiculous debate about tom brady....he is the best QB in football............you have to be an ignorant to see otherwise.

he has all the tools and he has the most important tool....his football iQ.

this argument is just nonsense......he reached his peak in 06-07???????? what, when he broke the touchdown record............name a qb who is better...............guess what you...............are wrong....................

That's your opinion. A person isn't ignorant just because they think that Peyton Manning or even Drew Brees is a better QB. I know a lot of people who believe that Brady is the product of a system. They will all say he is a great player, but they saw how Cassel did and think that if a guy who hasn't started a game since high school can put up numbers like that, it says more about the coach than the player.

[Broncos86]

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This is just speculation, but seeing how Matt Cassel did last year, does anyone ever question if Brady could be as effective on another team? For me, Peyton Manning could be plugged into any offense and succeed. He will find a way to succeed. I'm not convinced Brady is the same. For the same reason I believe that Matt Cassel will be a dud in KC.

The same could be said for several ex-Broncos RBs who tried to go elsewhere, after having success in Denver, and turned in subpar performances. Yes, a player must execute, this much is true. But I've seen enough evidence to suggest that some players are a one-system kind of player.