Madden NFL 10 Ratings: Top 10 by Position (ESPN Videogames)

[tonynyy]

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I was saying the Patriots haven't won a Super Bowl since the 04-05 season, and that the Steelers have won 2 since then, meaning my team has been more successful in the past 5 years than the Pats or any other team for that matter.

Wow, you have the biggest anti-Patriots bias ever. Tom Brady is a greater quarterback than the Steelers have ever had (yes I know about Bradshaw, Roethlisberger and O'Donnell). He's a winner whether you like it or not, and his 50 TD season cemented him as one of the greats. In an earlier post you evaluated him based on his losses which is completely ridiculous. If I told you Big Ben deserved an 80 overall because he choked in the 2004 AFC championship game or because he didn't do anything in Super Bowl XL, would it make sense? Exactly.

[AC IS ART]

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I am not saying he isnt dangerous in the open field, but giving him 94 speed and 98 ball carrier vison is just silly. He is not as fast as he was and that his BCV is higher than everyone else? There were 13 players that had higher yards then him last year and him having higher BCV then LT, Micheal Turner, AD and the other HB that are beter than him at running is stupid. Out of the top 10 HB he should be at thye highest 8 or 9.

Exactly. Westbrook gets my respect but he is not really fast. Shifty and elusive yes, a burner...no. Atleast its not as bad as 09' when he had fricken 97 speed and simply could not be tackled. And if LT is going to get a decrease after an injury plagued season, Westbrook should as well.

[tonynyy]

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Tom Brady "lead his team". By that logic Kevin Faulk should be enshrined in the HOF since he caught most of those passes and won all those Superbowls. Is Kevin Faulk the greatest HB in the NFL? I don't think so.

You (and the NFL) are trying to manufacture greatness out of Brady's proximity to the winning play, even though HE DID NOT MAKE IT. Sorry. Adam is the true great on those SB teams, not Brady's overrated self.

And none of this even MENTIONS the awesome scoring defense and special teams on those Patriot squads. That whole team was awesome. Brady was just in the right place at the right time.



No, I'm agreeing with you. Tom Brady is the best QB in the NFL.

My argument is that the NFL rules are rigged so that talentless hacks like Brady can succeed by hiding their weaknesses in a QB friendly system. If Brady plays before 1978 he's pronounced dead by week 4. As it stands, his best friend is the "throw away" play that allows him to cheat his way to fake greatness.



Really? Brady could run the Option or the Wildcat? Show me film of that!

Wow. Just Wow. Are you mentally challenged?

[steelers1]

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MORE SUCCESFUL................if you mean by more super bowls , then yes, but if you mean win loss record....prob not.

that debate could also go for the last ten years as well.

the steelers are a great team...make no bones about it , but to compare both franchises is like comparing a corvette to a porsche.............get what i mean????

I think a team that wins the Super Bowl is better than a team that doesn't regardless of their record. As for the franchises, the Pats have been the best franchise this decade for sure, but of all time obviously the Steelers have the most SBs and such.

[steelers1]

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Wow, you have the biggest anti-Patriots bias ever. Tom Brady is a greater quarterback than the Steelers have ever had (yes I know about Bradshaw, Roethlisberger and O'Donnell). He's a winner whether you like it or not, and his 50 TD season cemented him as one of the greats. In an earlier post you evaluated him based on his losses which is completely ridiculous. If I told you Big Ben deserved an 80 overall because he choked in the 2004 AFC championship game or because he didn't do anything in Super Bowl XL, would it make sense? Exactly.

I do hate me some Patriots, but...

I wasn't evaluating Brady by his losses. I was replying to a guy who was basically making excuses for Tom Brady when the Pats lost in the playoffs. Tom Brady of all QBs needs no excuses.

As for Brady being better than Bradshaw... those were different times and it was a different game back then. Bradshaw took a team from laughing stock to dynasty. Brady inherited a better team to start with. Bradshaw has 4 Super Bowl rings and will forever have a better Super Bowl record than Tom Brady. For that, I'll always argue for Bradshaw over Brady. As for Roethlisberger vs Brady, it can't be argued at this point. Ben still (hopefully) has a good 10 years left. When their careers are over they can be judged.

And I seriously hope you are kidding about Neil O'Donnell. The name alone makes any Steelers fan want to vomit.

[celg35]

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I think a team that wins the Super Bowl is better than a team that doesn't regardless of their record. As for the franchises, the Pats have been the best franchise this decade for sure, but of all time obviously the Steelers have the most SBs and such.

ok and on that note who quarterbacked those superbowl wins for the patriots....brady.........the steelers qb's are spread out over 4 decades

that is what i'm saying........ i think you make some good points, but i can't agree with you on this one........sorry

some guys will come down hard on you for that...........but i can see you truly love the steelers, so i see where your paasion is coming from.

hey if its your team you should be alittle biassed, but in this forum....sometimes it is best to keep some thoughts to yourself......

[lint]

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Wow this post got horribly off topic....

BRADY vs MANNING

Grrrrr.

If I remember correctly the reason we have the 5yard sissy... oops I mean touching rule is because of that rainy NE vs IND game where the Pats beat the every living tar out of the Colts WR.

Anyway... I am trying to figure out why people do not think Roddy White is better than TO

How many seasons do you have to average 1250 yards and 6.5 touchdowns to be considered good?

http://www.nfl.com/players/profile?id=WHI472686

here are TO's stats from the last two years

http://www.nfl.com/players/terrellow...e?id=OWE755129

here are Brandon Marshall's

http://www.nfl.com/players/brandonma...e?id=MAR370922

Last year Roddy was the better WR

The year before Roddy had over 1200 yards with Joey "Noodle Arm" Harrington.

TO is not all that great.

[PYA-MUSTANG86]

1. Calvin Johnson
2. Greg Jennings
3. Reggie Wayne
4. Roddy White
5. Chad Johnson (better not be Chad Ochocinco in madden)
6. Randy Moss
7. Larry Fitzgerrald
8. Anquan Boldin
9. Steve Smith
10. Marquis Colstin
11. Andre Johnson
12. Lee Evans (yeah thats right not even the best WR on his own team now)
13. T.J Houshmanzadah
14. Braylon Edwards
15. Brandon Marshall
Ok well that's 15 WR's that are better then T.O. Not in any particular order, didn't have enough time to rank em all.

[shotgun styles]

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Wow. Just Wow. Are you mentally challenged?

Wow. That was some argument you just made. I really don't know how to respond other than to say...

HEART OF A CHAMPION!!!

It's about as relevant to your statement as your statement is to mine.

[Obelysk]

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I do hate me some Patriots, but...

I wasn't evaluating Brady by his losses. I was replying to a guy who was basically making excuses for Tom Brady when the Pats lost in the playoffs. Tom Brady of all QBs needs no excuses.

As for Brady being better than Bradshaw... those were different times and it was a different game back then. Bradshaw took a team from laughing stock to dynasty. Brady inherited a better team to start with. Bradshaw has 4 Super Bowl rings and will forever have a better Super Bowl record than Tom Brady. For that, I'll always argue for Bradshaw over Brady. As for Roethlisberger vs Brady, it can't be argued at this point. Ben still (hopefully) has a good 10 years left. When their careers are over they can be judged.

And I seriously hope you are kidding about Neil O'Donnell. The name alone makes any Steelers fan want to vomit.

Regardless of how they started the 70 Steelers had far more talent than any of our teams has ever had, even more than our 2007 roster which consisted only 2 future Hall of Famers. How many did the 70 Steelers have?

[KensaiKatai]

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Wow. That was some argument you just made. I really don't know how to respond other than to say...

HEART OF A CHAMPION!!!

It's about as relevant to your statement as your statement is to mine.

[nepatriotsfan]

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1. Calvin Johnson
2. Greg Jennings
3. Reggie Wayne
4. Roddy White
5. Chad Johnson (better not be Chad Ochocinco in madden)
6. Randy Moss
7. Larry Fitzgerrald
8. Anquan Boldin
9. Steve Smith
10. Marquis Colstin
11. Andre Johnson
12. Lee Evans (yeah thats right not even the best WR on his own team now)
13. T.J Houshmanzadah
14. Braylon Edwards
15. Brandon Marshall
Ok well that's 15 WR's that are better then T.O. Not in any particular order, didn't have enough time to rank em all.

why shouldnt he be ocho cinco. they are letting him wear it on his jersey now

[tonynyy]

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I do hate me some Patriots, but...

I wasn't evaluating Brady by his losses. I was replying to a guy who was basically making excuses for Tom Brady when the Pats lost in the playoffs. Tom Brady of all QBs needs no excuses.

As for Brady being better than Bradshaw... those were different times and it was a different game back then. Bradshaw took a team from laughing stock to dynasty. Brady inherited a better team to start with. Bradshaw has 4 Super Bowl rings and will forever have a better Super Bowl record than Tom Brady. For that, I'll always argue for Bradshaw over Brady. As for Roethlisberger vs Brady, it can't be argued at this point. Ben still (hopefully) has a good 10 years left. When their careers are over they can be judged.

And I seriously hope you are kidding about Neil O'Donnell. The name alone makes any Steelers fan want to vomit.

Just so you know, in 2000 the Patriots went 5-11 and picked 6th overall. The team was 0-2 when Brady replaced Bledsoe. That was a pretty bad team, at least record-wise, and Brady led it to 3 championships in 4 years. Brady is the quarterback of this generation, whether you like it or not, and since he wants to play another 10 years, he'll probably go down as one of the best ever, ahead of your man Terry Bradshaw.

And yes, Neil O'Donnell was a joke .

[celg35]

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why shouldnt he be ocho cinco. they are letting him wear it on his jersey now

what....no wes welker on that list........LOL best slot receiver in the game

[steelers1]

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Regardless of how they started the 70 Steelers had far more talent than any of our teams has ever had, even more than our 2007 roster which consisted only 2 future Hall of Famers. How many did the 70 Steelers have?

They had plenty of HOFers, probably about 10. But they also beat the Cowboys in 2 of those SBs which was also a team filled with HOFers. Either way its pretty irrelevant. No QBs win titles without good teams.