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  • steelers1
    Pro
    • Dec 2007
    • 573

    #241
    Re: Madden NFL 10 Ratings: Top 10 by Position (ESPN Videogames)

    Originally posted by pgtrain42
    Roethlisberger makes plays when Brady or Manning would get sacked? Are you serious? Brady and Manning have the best pocket presence in the game, there's a reason that they always get the ball off before getting hit by a defender. On the other hand, Roethlisberger has been the most sacked quarterback in the NFL the last 3 years (46+ each time). You call Brady and Manning system quarterbacks when Big Ben for his first two years was part of a run first offensive attack (not to mention having a defense that was just as good as the Patriots D that won those 3 super bowls in each of his two Super Bowls). Two of the last three years he's nearly had more interceptions than touchdowns (he did in '06 by 5!). I'm not saying Roethlisberger is a bad quarterback, or even mediocre he's still top 5, but until he can stop throwing so many picks and getting sacked so much, he's not in Brady or Mannings class.
    'System QBs' are referred to as such because the system they are in allows for good stats. The Steelers system is, like you said, a run first system that doesn't allow for those numbers. Steelers QBs are throwing the football mainly on 3rd downs or when the team is losing (with the occasional 1st and 2nd down long bal). Those aren't easy situations to throw, and Roethlisberger's high QB ratings in his first 2 years show how successful he was.

    Ben's only in his 5th year as a starter and threw more picks than TDs in his 3rd year when he was rushed back from a life threatening motorcycle accident and appendectomy, and had a severe concussion midseason. Peyton had more picks than TDs in his rookie season and threw 23 picks his 4th year in the league. Brady has never been an interception thrower, but that's in part because he's a dink-dunker who's only averaged over 11.4 yards/completion 3 times in his career, and when he's averaged more it's due to his receivers having a lot of YAC. As for them being so godly to avoid sack... you're kidding yourself. They have great offensive lines and when faced with pressure they are no better than average. See Tom Brady in Super Bowl 42 and Peyton Manning against the Steelers at home 3 years ago.

    I also agree with everything that's been said about Daunte and how Brady and Moss cheaped their way to that record. Anybody remember the 2nd Dolphins game that year when the Pats were shut out in the second half because Brady kept trying to force it to Moss when they were up 28-0 and he threw 2 picks? Manning in 2004 did NOT play that way. And he had a far superior season (in my opinion). Brady threw 81 more passes than Manning and only had 1 more TD and a much lower ypa despite having a higher completion %. Manning also sat out a few 4th quarters when the team was ahead and he only threw 2 passes in the season ender that year while Brady was throwing deep up 40-0.

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    • LilChris2434
      Rookie
      • May 2009
      • 2

      #242
      Re: Madden NFL 10 Ratings: Top 10 by Position (ESPN Videogames)

      LOL! Adrian Petersons carry is a 69. Sounds about right. That's the only thing killing us man, the FUMBLES!!!.


      ~Vikings '09 Be Easy.

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      • Obelysk
        Pro
        • Oct 2008
        • 612

        #243
        Re: Madden NFL 10 Ratings: Top 10 by Position (ESPN Videogames)

        Originally posted by steelers1
        'System QBs' are referred to as such because the system they are in allows for good stats. The Steelers system is, like you said, a run first system that doesn't allow for those numbers. Steelers QBs are throwing the football mainly on 3rd downs or when the team is losing (with the occasional 1st and 2nd down long bal). Those aren't easy situations to throw, and Roethlisberger's high QB ratings in his first 2 years show how successful he was.
        Interesting because the Steelers had 506 passing attempts compared to their 460 rushing attempts.

        Ben's only in his 5th year as a starter and threw more picks than TDs in his 3rd year when he was rushed back from a life threatening motorcycle accident and appendectomy, and had a severe concussion midseason. Peyton had more picks than TDs in his rookie season and threw 23 picks his 4th year in the league. Brady has never been an interception thrower, but that's in part because he's a dink-dunker who's only averaged over 11.4 yards/completion 3 times in his career, and when he's averaged more it's due to his receivers having a lot of YAC. As for them being so godly to avoid sack... you're kidding yourself. They have great offensive lines and when faced with pressure they are no better than average. See Tom Brady in Super Bowl 42 and Peyton Manning against the Steelers at home 3 years ago.
        Dink and dunk huh? in 2007 Brady was 2nd with Passes over 40 yards (behind Farve) and 1st with passes of over 20 yards. Okay may be its not fair since all we did in 2007 was pass right? Lets look at other years shall we? In 2006 when Brady had Cadwell and Gaffney as his #1 and #2 WRs he was 8th in passes of over 20 yards (manning 4th) and 8th in passes of over 40 yards (Manning 14h). 2005, Brady was 6th in passes of over 20 yards (Manning 1st) and 4th in passes of over 40 yards (Manning was 15th). Again in 2004 Brady was 6th in passes of over 20 yards (Manning 1st) and 5th in passes of over 40 yards (Manning 4th). I am sorry that is not "dinkin and dunkin." As far as pressure they are good but yes when the pocket completely collapses they are not nearly as effective, but I do have to say that our line is not as good as people think. After Brady went down our oline procedeed to give up the most sacks in the league, coinciden? Or did Brady make them look better than they are?

        I also agree with everything that's been said about Daunte and how Brady and Moss cheaped their way to that record. Anybody remember the 2nd Dolphins game that year when the Pats were shut out in the second half because Brady kept trying to force it to Moss when they were up 28-0 and he threw 2 picks? Manning in 2004 did NOT play that way. And he had a far superior season (in my opinion). Brady threw 81 more passes than Manning and only had 1 more TD and a much lower ypa despite having a higher completion %. Manning also sat out a few 4th quarters when the team was ahead and he only threw 2 passes in the season ender that year while Brady was throwing deep up 40-0.
        Manning also playe all of his home games in a dome, and 1 more against the Texans, that is a total of 9 games in a dome while Brady played only 1 (in Indy) in a dome. Brady also did it against better defenses than Manning did:

        Colts defenses' played:

        Patriots 9th
        Packers 25th
        Jaguars 11th
        Raiders 30th
        Chiefs 31st
        Texans 23rd
        Vikings 28th
        Bears 21th
        Lions 22nd
        Titans 27th
        Ravens 6th
        Chargers 18th
        Broncos 4th

        Average rank: 20th

        Patriots' defenses played:

        Jets 18th
        Chargers 14th
        Bills 31st
        Dolphins 23rd
        Cowboys 9th
        Redskins 8th
        Giants 7th
        Ravens 6th
        Steelers 1st
        Browns 30th
        Bengals 27th
        Colts 3rd
        Eagles 10th

        Average rank: 14th

        As you can see Brady played against better competition and in worst conditions than Manning. Also Brady had 2 rushing TDs that year Manning had 0 in 04, Brady could have easily thrown those. Is not Brady's fault that the defenses couldn't stop him.
        Last edited by Obelysk; 05-27-2009, 01:52 PM.
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        • PYA-MUSTANG86
          Banned
          • Feb 2009
          • 66

          #244
          That's BS Aaron Rodgers is clearely better then Jay ****ler, yet ****ler is on the list and A-Rod isn't. Do you people even watch football? And Greg Jennings is better then half those WR's, like Steve Smith, TO, Boldin, and White. Jennings should be at least a 95 overall. And where is Nick Collins on that list? He had 80 tackles, 7 INT's, and 3 TD. and that is not good for at least a 94? I am sick of the big market team bias when it comes to Madden. Every year the Packers are low balled and I'm sick and tired of it.

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          • Obelysk
            Pro
            • Oct 2008
            • 612

            #245
            Re: Madden NFL 10 Ratings: Top 10 by Position (ESPN Videogames)

            Originally posted by PYA-MUSTANG86
            That's BS Aaron Rodgers is clearely better then Jay ****ler, yet ****ler is on the list and A-Rod isn't. Do you people even watch football? And Greg Jennings is better then half those WR's, like Steve Smith, TO, Boldin, and White. Jennings should be at least a 95 overall. And where is Nick Collins on that list? He had 80 tackles, 7 INT's, and 3 TD. and that is not good for at least a 94? I am sick of the big market team bias when it comes to Madden. Every year the Packers are low balled and I'm sick and tired of it.

            Jennings hasn't had better back to back season than any of those players you mentioned other than Boldin. But I do agree that he should be like a 91.
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            • ElDoceHombre
              Banned
              • Apr 2009
              • 46

              #246
              Re: Madden NFL 10 Ratings: Top 10 by Position (ESPN Videogames)

              How is T.O. still considered a Top 10 receiver...That's the most ******** **** I've seen in a while. There are plenty of WRs in the league that are better than him, but of course if you don't give the "star player" AKA Media Whore a decent rating then that would hurt Madden 10's appeal now wouldn't it?

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              • PYA-MUSTANG86
                Banned
                • Feb 2009
                • 66

                #247
                It's nothing shgort of an absolute joke that Tony Romo is in the top 15 let alone top 10. When the hell will Madden realize that he sucks? By the 1st update he will be around an 80 overall, being that he has no one to throw to now. Mark my words.

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                • shotgun styles
                  Banned
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 1693

                  #248
                  Re: Madden NFL 10 Ratings: Top 10 by Position (ESPN Videogames)

                  Originally posted by ElDoceHombre
                  How is T.O. still considered a Top 10 receiver...That's the most ******** **** I've seen in a while. There are plenty of WRs in the league that are better than him, but of course if you don't give the "star player" AKA Media Whore a decent rating then that would hurt Madden 10's appeal now wouldn't it?
                  Ok. Name the 10 receivers in the NFL that are better than Owens.

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                  • Obelysk
                    Pro
                    • Oct 2008
                    • 612

                    #249
                    Re: Madden NFL 10 Ratings: Top 10 by Position (ESPN Videogames)

                    Originally posted by shotgun styles
                    Ok. Name the 10 receivers in the NFL that are better than Owens.
                    Right now? I guess you can make a case for all of these guys:

                    1. Andre Johnson
                    2. Larry Fitzgerald
                    3. Randy Moss
                    4. Steve Smith
                    5. Calvin Johnson
                    6. Anquan Boldin
                    7. Reggie Wayne
                    8. Greg Jennings
                    9. Roddy White
                    10. Brandon Marshall

                    But I think that TO falls somewhere in the top 10.
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                    • kjcheezhead
                      MVP
                      • May 2009
                      • 3118

                      #250
                      Re: Madden NFL 10 Ratings: Top 10 by Position (ESPN Videogames)

                      Originally posted by shotgun styles
                      Ok. Name the 10 receivers in the NFL that are better than Owens.

                      Well seeing how Owens was named tenth, I would go with the nine in front of him a Greg Jennings and possibly his new teammate Lee Evans.

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                      • shotgun styles
                        Banned
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 1693

                        #251
                        Re: Madden NFL 10 Ratings: Top 10 by Position (ESPN Videogames)

                        Originally posted by Obelysk
                        Right now? I guess you can make a case for all of these guys:

                        1. Andre Johnson
                        2. Larry Fitzgerald
                        3. Randy Moss
                        4. Steve Smith
                        5. Calvin Johnson
                        6. Anquan Boldin
                        7. Reggie Wayne
                        8. Greg Jennings
                        9. Roddy White
                        10. Brandon Marshall

                        But I think that TO falls somewhere in the top 10.
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                        </td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="1">
                        </td></tr></tbody></table>
                        Greg Jennings? Really? BETTER than Terrell Owens? REALLY?

                        No one past Moss on your list is better than T.O.

                        Roddy White is a one year wonder, and does not belong on this list.

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                        • iAM-IncReDiBLe-
                          Next Miami Great
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 4285

                          #252
                          Re: Madden NFL 10 Ratings: Top 10 by Position (ESPN Videogames)

                          Originally posted by shotgun styles
                          Roddy White is a one year wonder, and does not belong on this list.
                          Roddy White has had two really good years in a row. He's not a one year wonder. As a falcon fan they overrated his catching because he does drop the ball on occasions. Everything else is good.

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                          • ElDoceHombre
                            Banned
                            • Apr 2009
                            • 46

                            #253
                            Re: Madden NFL 10 Ratings: Top 10 by Position (ESPN Videogames)

                            Originally posted by shotgun styles
                            Ok. Name the 10 receivers in the NFL that are better than Owens.
                            Okay genius this should be easy enough since enough people have already beaten me to the punch in the short time span since I posted that.

                            The 9 receivers ahead of him already makes that a pretty short list, so only 1 WR needs to be better than him to qualify.

                            First, let's start with the guy that's led the league in receptions the last few years (I want to say 5 years, but I'm not too sure about the exact number), T.J. Houshmandzadeh. The guy is a beast, catches almost everything thrown to him, and has only missed a handfull of games. He is the Anti-TO, he has a good attitude AND he can actually CATCH what is thrown to him!

                            You could also argue Greg Jennings (#6 WR in 08), Antonio Bryant (#8 in 08), even Wes Welker (#9 in 08), T.O. benefited from the team around him, which he eventually dismantled. Let's see him put up decent numbers in 09...

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                            • ElDoceHombre
                              Banned
                              • Apr 2009
                              • 46

                              #254
                              Re: Madden NFL 10 Ratings: Top 10 by Position (ESPN Videogames)

                              Originally posted by iBlievN5
                              Saying Roethlisberger won a Super Bowl on his own is one of the most stupid things I've ever heard. He probably had the worst performance of all-time by any QB in a Superbowl in Superbowl 40, and was pretty bad in the last Superbowl until that last drive. They wouldn't have even had a chance if not for that 99 yard fumble return by Harrison.
                              i think he's saying you can (could in vick's case) surround these players with average talent and still be an elite team. this is a fact when it comes to McNabb and to a lesser (since he has had SOME weapons) Favre.

                              Originally posted by pgtrain42
                              And saying Favre, Roethlisberger, and McNabb are better game breakers than Brady and Manning? Are you high? The only way they break the game is with A. Favre's idiotic picks (see week 17 against the Dolphins) B. Roethlisberger holding the ball too long because he's an indecisive QB and getting sacked 50 times, and C. McNabb throwing the ball in the dirt on 3rd downs.

                              TO is a top 10 receiver, it was a rough year for him, but he can still put up #s.
                              I agree with you on Ben. He had a 22.6 rating at SB XL* and his team isn't exactly known for it's elite offense.

                              (Ben: Mental note, if you can't throw a decent pass in the red zone, just run your pasty *** towards the goal line, it will work 50% of the time even if you make it 0% of the time)

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                              • Broncos86
                                Orange and Blue!
                                • May 2009
                                • 5505

                                #255
                                Re: Madden NFL 10 Ratings: Top 10 by Position (ESPN Videogames)

                                Terrell Owens is a fantastic wide receiver. Personally, though, I never felt that Owens would run all the routes. If I'm wrong, I'm willing to admit it, but that's always my feeling. That being said, I have trouble suggesting that Owens isn't as good as someone like Roddy White or Jennings. Yes, Owens is 35 years old, but until he shows me he's lost it, I'm not so sure.

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