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  • KingV2k3
    Senior Circuit
    • May 2003
    • 5881

    #136
    Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

    I wish I could be of more help than just throwing ideas out for you guys to research, but I'm away from the console for a least another week...

    So:

    Another choice for the teams listed in that CCM guide as "Vertical" MAY be the john Madden book...

    His classic Raider O was based on Gilman's, etc.

    Obviously, the Walsh book is an alternative for the West Coast teams

    Vermiel is a Martz style, which could be a "Spread" alternative

    Billick is a One Back / Power Run, I believe

    Lombardi's is likely a Power Run

    Landry is prob "Balanced"

    Not sure about Flores, but since he's a Raider...prob also Vertical

    In addition to trying to match book with existing scheme to get the most out of the players in the CPU's system, it might be good to have two choices for each team as often as possible, so in multiple season play, you get some nice variation from game to game...

    Esp. versus division opponents you play often...

    Overall:

    There's a handful of default schemes, as well as a handful of generic books and another handful of Legend books, so there's got to be some IDEAL and ALTERNATE choices that will fit perfectly...

    Thanks for entertaining my "two cents"...



    Lastly:

    Does the generic "Pass Heavy" book still exist in M13?
    Last edited by KingV2k3; 10-20-2012, 03:26 PM.

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    • booker21
      MVP
      • Jun 2003
      • 4928

      #137
      Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

      Originally posted by tdawg3782
      I'm thinking since I use Gameflow that I probably should change the playbook for my team as well right?
      Yes, you should, otherwise it will be the same as the CPU.

      I know i`ll change mine too.
      English, is not my first language.

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      • zduerr
        Rookie
        • Mar 2012
        • 1

        #138
        Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

        For anyone with only one controller on a PS3:

        On the team select screen, hit the PS button, go to controller settings, and select reassign the controller to "2". You can now select either team and adjust playbooks and uniforms to whatever you like. This is for offline CCM.

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        • booker21
          MVP
          • Jun 2003
          • 4928

          #139
          Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

          Originally posted by zduerr
          For anyone with only one controller on a PS3:

          On the team select screen, hit the PS button, go to controller settings, and select reassign the controller to "2". You can now select either team and adjust playbooks and uniforms to whatever you like. This is for offline CCM.
          nice find. Too bad it`s only work for PS3.
          English, is not my first language.

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          • SJHalt621
            Rookie
            • Sep 2012
            • 354

            #140
            Originally posted by angels28
            Also I saw a QB draw inside of billicks play book? Wash and Carolina??
            As far as Washington goes..they want RGIII to be a passer first..and to be honest he really is a much more pure passer then any of the "running QB's" so Was not having there playbook is key..them using single back is more likely..so I think billicks is fine
            "I don't believe in beating my kids, so I let them wear Justin Bieber shirts and Crocs to school so the others kids will do it for me."

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            • SJHalt621
              Rookie
              • Sep 2012
              • 354

              #141
              Originally posted by KingV2k3
              I wish I could be of more help than just throwing ideas out for you guys to research, but I'm away from the console for a least another week...

              So:

              Another choice for the teams listed in that CCM guide as "Vertical" MAY be the john Madden book...

              His classic Raider O was based on Gilman's, etc.

              Obviously, the Walsh book is an alternative for the West Coast teams

              Vermiel is a Martz style, which could be a "Spread" alternative

              Billick is a One Back / Power Run, I believe

              Lombardi's is likely a Power Run

              Landry is prob "Balanced"

              Not sure about Flores, but since he's a Raider...prob also Vertical

              In addition to trying to match book with existing scheme to get the most out of the players in the CPU's system, it might be good to have two choices for each team as often as possible, so in multiple season play, you get some nice variation from game to game...

              Esp. versus division opponents you play often...

              Overall:

              There's a handful of default schemes, as well as a handful of generic books and another handful of Legend books, so there's got to be some IDEAL and ALTERNATE choices that will fit perfectly...

              Thanks for entertaining my "two cents"...



              Lastly:

              Does the generic "Pass Heavy" book still exist in M13?
              This is a great idea..and run heavy yes there is
              "I don't believe in beating my kids, so I let them wear Justin Bieber shirts and Crocs to school so the others kids will do it for me."

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              • Cpterp22
                Banned
                • Jul 2007
                • 939

                #142
                Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

                Boys was I done with this game until this find...


                THANKS FOR THE GUYS WHO WORKED THEIR BUTTS OFF HERE

                Maybe EA OR 2K should hire you =)

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                • rudyjuly2
                  Cade Cunningham
                  • Aug 2002
                  • 14816

                  #143
                  Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

                  I just played the Jags and gave them run-balanced. Definitely nice to see their play calling not so rigid with more passing on the early downs. One big concern I have with that playbook though are the screen plays. I did not blitz a ton but the Jags ran a lot of screens. MJD caught 14 passes in the game for just over 100 yards (not all were screens, he got a 30+ gain on one). Maybe it was just a fluke for one game but I will keep my eye on this.
                  Last edited by rudyjuly2; 10-20-2012, 04:07 PM.

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                  • geisterhome
                    MVP
                    • Sep 2011
                    • 2101

                    #144
                    Originally posted by KingV2k3
                    I wish I could be of more help than just throwing ideas out for you guys to research, but I'm away from the console for a least another week...

                    So:

                    Another choice for the teams listed in that CCM guide as "Vertical" MAY be the john Madden book...

                    His classic Raider O was based on Gilman's, etc.

                    Obviously, the Walsh book is an alternative for the West Coast teams

                    Vermiel is a Martz style, which could be a "Spread" alternative

                    Billick is a One Back / Power Run, I believe

                    Lombardi's is likely a Power Run

                    Landry is prob "Balanced"

                    Not sure about Flores, but since he's a Raider...prob also Vertical

                    In addition to trying to match book with existing scheme to get the most out of the players in the CPU's system, it might be good to have two choices for each team as often as possible, so in multiple season play, you get some nice variation from game to game...

                    Esp. versus division opponents you play often...

                    Overall:

                    There's a handful of default schemes, as well as a handful of generic books and another handful of Legend books, so there's got to be some IDEAL and ALTERNATE choices that will fit perfectly...

                    Thanks for entertaining my "two cents"...



                    Lastly:

                    Does the generic "Pass Heavy" book still exist in M13?
                    great ideas! especially creating alternative playbooks. I'll ask my gf to chose them for me before the game so idk what's coming lol. amazing how this thread developed, think at done point it already dropped back to the 2nd page and now we are have play books for all teams and like 10 pages plus of discussing.:thumbup:

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                    • DetroitStyle
                      Meow
                      • May 2011
                      • 1047

                      #145
                      Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

                      Here's a simple list of schemes from the CC Manual and what I think they should be matched up as. I really like KingV2k3's idea of matching a generic playbook with the schemes. However using playbooks like the Lions or legends may still dumb down the CPU AI on first downs and such. So that's why my quick list avoids using them. You also have to be careful with legends as using Lombardi's I believe causes receivers to go into 3pt stances.

                      Coaching Scheme|Generic Playbook
                      Power Run = Run Balance
                      Zone Run = Run Balance
                      Spread = Run N' Gun
                      Balanced = Balanced
                      Balanced Offense = Balanced
                      Vertical Offense = Pass Balanced
                      West Coast = West Coast

                      Team Schemes List
                      Arizona - Power Run
                      Atlanta - Power Run
                      Baltimore - Power Run
                      Buffalo - Spread
                      Carolina - Balanced
                      Chicago - Power Run
                      Cincinnati - Balanced Offense
                      Cleveland - West Coast
                      Dallas - Balanced Offense
                      Denver - Spread
                      Detroit - Vertical Offense
                      Green Bay - West Coast
                      Houston - Zone Run
                      Indianapolis - Balanced
                      Jacksonville - Balanced Offense
                      Kansas City - Zone Run
                      Miami - West Coast
                      Minnesota - West Coast
                      New England - Spread
                      New Orleans - Vertical Offense
                      New York (G) - Balance Offense
                      New York (J) - Power Run
                      Oakland - Vertical Offense
                      Philadelphia - Spread
                      Pittsburgh - Balanced Offense
                      San Diego - Vertical Offense
                      San Francisco - Power Run
                      Seattle - West Coast
                      St. Louis - Power Run
                      Tampa Bay - Power Run
                      Tennessee - Balanced Offense
                      Washington - West Coast

                      For example, Washington is a West Coast scheme so set the playbook to West Coast.
                      Last edited by DetroitStyle; 10-20-2012, 04:25 PM.

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                      • KingV2k3
                        Senior Circuit
                        • May 2003
                        • 5881

                        #146
                        Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

                        Originally posted by DetroitStyle

                        Coaching Scheme|Generic Playbook
                        Power Run = Run Balance
                        Zone Run = Run Balance
                        Spread = Run N' Gun
                        Balanced = Balanced
                        Balanced Offense = Balanced Offense
                        Vertical Offense = Pass Balanced
                        West Coast = Run N' Gun

                        Thanks for the detail!

                        Should West Coast, which is listed here as Run and Gun be the generic WC book?

                        Or is RNG actually better?

                        Is the Pass Heavy Book another good option for Vertical?

                        Thanks!

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                        • DetroitStyle
                          Meow
                          • May 2011
                          • 1047

                          #147
                          Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

                          Originally posted by KingV2k3
                          Thanks for the detail!

                          Should West Coast, which is listed here as Run and Gun be the generic WC book?

                          Or is RNG actually better?

                          Is the Pass Heavy Book another good option for Vertical?

                          Thanks!
                          Fixed! But there is no Pass Heavy generic. Pass balanced in my tests though usually yields 40-50 attempts per game. Here's a list of the generics:

                          Balanced
                          Pass Balanced
                          Run Balanced
                          Run Heavy
                          West Coast
                          Run N' Gun

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                          • Rawdeal28
                            Swiitch U? lol
                            • Oct 2007
                            • 7407

                            #148
                            Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

                            Originally posted by KingV2k3
                            I've been following this thread with great interest...

                            VERY solid workaround for CPU run / pass playcall splits!

                            My question / suggestion:

                            In the Madden / Prima CCM pdf guide, all the teams O / D schemes are listed...



                            Would it make sense to match the generics as closely as possible to default HC schemes, to get the most out of the CPU's players (by having them play in their actual scheme as often as possible)?

                            For instance:

                            Set the teams who have a coach listed as "West Coast" to "West Coast", etc...

                            Also:

                            Use DET's Vertical book (which seems to work properly) for NO (also listed as vertical)...

                            Run and Gun as a substitute for "Spread" (NE)

                            GB is listed as West Coast? Will they pass enough with that book or not?

                            ???

                            Great thread!

                            Thanks!
                            good idea's man. but...

                            the West coast playbook's gameplan is more a pass on 1st down, run on 2nd down. even 2nd & Long is geared more towards running the ball.

                            thats why i think GB would be a better fit for the RunNGun playbook where they will be primarily passing the ball and will only look to run on medium and short yardage situations. this goes for the Saints as well.
                            Originally posted by angels28
                            West coast seems to throw more and 2nd and medium(3 run plays: 7 pass) and 2 nd and short( 2 runs: 9 pass) This is according to the play book not gameplay. Other play books are more balanced in game plan. So, yes GB will be fine in west coast.
                            yeah but on 3rd and Medium, all 7 of the runs have 4 stars and the 13 pass plays have only 1.

                            and you and i both know, GB is not running the ball on 3rd and 5 lol.
                            "on hoping there is a PSN flash sale before Valentine's Day"
                            Man there are no flashers... now what are we going to do for vd
                            I'm sure there's plenty of prostitutes you could pay if you really want vd.
                            yea but will they take psn cards
                            Depends on what area of a hooker you would use to redeem them.

                            lol

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                            • Rawdeal28
                              Swiitch U? lol
                              • Oct 2007
                              • 7407

                              #149
                              Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

                              Oakland should have Run Balanced. were only passing alot this year because McFadden has had trouble adjusting to new zone blocking scheme they have put in. thats why we have been terrible so far this year running the ball.
                              "on hoping there is a PSN flash sale before Valentine's Day"
                              Man there are no flashers... now what are we going to do for vd
                              I'm sure there's plenty of prostitutes you could pay if you really want vd.
                              yea but will they take psn cards
                              Depends on what area of a hooker you would use to redeem them.

                              lol

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                              • angels28
                                Rookie
                                • Jul 2007
                                • 264

                                #150
                                Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

                                Great call rawdeal, I never looked at 3rd and long or short because I expected more pass plays. That is what I get for assuming . Great work everyone. Thanks for helping out

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