run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

[geisterhome]

I believe the Lions book is fairly representative of "Pass Heavy" / "Vertical" for two reasons:

1) Played them a few times in test CCMs and they threw it often AND deep

2) Megatron is on the cover...those players / teams always get extra "attention" from the developers...

I THINK it might make a good primary or alt selection for teams with similar scheme...

I'm VERY curious about the Legend books (esp. Vermeil / Billick / Gibbs / Madden)...

Not sure how to test other than observation...

I know Vermeil has some nice TE in the slot / etc. plays that might be good for NE IF RNG doesn't have enough TE "feature" plays...

Gibbs has nice zone blocking, but NO gun...so...???

As stated, Billick is a nice choice for MN / AP...anyone else?

The Madden book is nice for the USER, but might just be a "balanced" with some "vertical" when implemented by CPU...

Also:

Nice suggestions on the D Book flying around...

Once again, sticking to default scheme might make the players play as well as possible (they take a OVR hit on the depth chart when "out" of scheme, etc.)...

My main beef with the D playcall AI is too many 6-8 man blitzes on pass plays that are easy to exploit in the seam...they seem to do it on 3 and long and in the RZ...

Any generic books that minimize that?

Once again:

Great thread / research / insight!!!

Continued apologies for continuing to throw my "two cents" in while unable to help test...

Away from console at critical time!!!

UGH



Regards!

I played against the lions with thier default specific playbook assigned to them yesterday in pre season and the pass/run ratio was 61 to 9 in favour of passing got day they were back by 2 touch downs early.

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[BrianU]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

Tested this out with the Saints and at halftime they had 18 rushes and 7 passes. It looks like it affects ANY team playbook. We'll see if the legends are different but you might want to avoid team specific playbooks at all costs.

Were they playing with a lead the entire half or tie or from behind? This is the biggest factor I have found and it is important to keep in mind when you are testing ratios of playbooks. The CPU will greatly increase their passing when they are down a TD or more and if they have a 3 point or bigger lead they tend to run it much more.

This is good in theory but I believe the devs have set it up too strictly. It overrides individual teams tendencies and creates every team playing the same way, hence we have the Packers and Saints running the ball so much more and in situations they don't IRL. That is an issue that we can't fix.

The other issue is the poorly star'd gameplans for the team specific playbooks which is something we CAN fix by using the generics luckily! The ultimate solution is for EA to unlock the custom playbook/gameplanning feature to be used in CCM for USER and CPU teams. Based on this thread if they did that I have no doubt we would have the realest football experience ever, its so frustrating that they overlook such a simple thing that would add so much value just so they can implement twitter and fantasy drafts..

[DetroitStyle]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

The Saints were down the entire game and kept on running and running with the Lions playbook :-/

[geisterhome]

The Saints were down the entire game and kept on running and running with the Lions playbook :-/

so entirely opposite from my what happen to me under similar circumstances with the same play book. 13 min quarters here.


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[KingV2k3]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

Exactly my thoughts. I believe you can see every coaches scheme in CCM but you can only change yours. That allows you at the beginning of the year to check out whose coaching what team and see what scheme they're running. In year 2 of a CCM the Jets could fire Rex and hire a coach with a vertical passing scheme so it would be kind of dumb to assign a run balanced playbook for that week. That's why I think it's important to figure out the best playbook match for the schemes in game.

Y'know, I thought about this some more and in multi year CCM, I suspect that when a HC gets fired the new coach will probably be running a different scheme out of the same book...

For instance:

Jets fire Ryan, he gets replaced by a HC with a Vertical Scheme (as the extreme example), but as in previous Maddens, the book will STILL be the Jets book from Ryan...

So:

An already "challenged" CPU will then be running a scheme that gets the "worst" out of it's players...

Ergo:

Match generic book (or possibly Legend book after testing is complete) to scheme as the HCs change...

We want to compete against the "Best" CPU AI possible, so having the new coaches scheme conflict with the default book that gets carried over is counter intuitive to that goal...

Additionally:

Where USER scheme is concerned, I always:

1) Set Depth Chart

2) Refer to Progression Menu to get my individual starters tendency

3) Adjust my scheme to match players

For instance:

My starting SS is labeled as "Run Support" in the progression menu, so I make sure it's set as such in my Scheme menu...

I find it makes the players play better...

If my starting SS (for instance) is injured for a week or more and will miss games, I then switch my Scheme to his backups tendency if it is different from the starter (for instance "Balanced")...

It's subtle, but it makes a difference...

[D_Fos]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

I'm using the Skins, and using the team specific playbook, and it suits them well.

I'm going to be playing the CPU on All-Madden(http://www.operationsports.com/forum...3-realism.html)
I'm liking how much better the CPU excutes on All-Madden(post patch 3) and now w/ improved play calling w/ playbook changes. This should be well worth starting my Offline CCM fresh!
Good find guys! I will be posting some of my results asap!

[nolesfan3]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

First game using these, Browns (me) vs. Eagles (cpu) and let me tell you, this may be what saves this game for me. I'm actually being challenged by the CPU for the first time in a long time. I hope I get these results with the rest of my games.

[nolesfan3]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

Just finished my first game, really enjoyed it. Scored mid-way in the fourth to go up 20-16 and held on for the win. Richardson came on late including a big 40 yard run. I used Charter04's sliders, a few too many fumbles but other than that they were pretty solid. Here is the box score for those who are interested:

<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" /><link href="http://dynasties.operationsports.com/css/osdyn.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css"></head><body><table cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" class="osdyn" width="575"><tr class="masthead"><td align="center" colspan="6">Philadelphia Eagles at Cleveland Browns</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="48%">Jan 1, 2012</td><td align="right" width="10%">1ST</td><td align="right" width="10%">2ND</td><td align="right" width="10%">3RD</td><td align="right" width="10%">4TH</td><td align="right" width="12%">SCORE</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>Philadelphia Eagles (0-0 CPU)</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">6</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right">0</td><td align="right" class="active">16</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>Cleveland Browns (0-0 HUM)</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right" class="active">20</td></tr></table><table cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" class="osdyn spacer" width="575"><tr class="masthead"><td colspan="3">Team Stats Comparison</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="60%"></td><td align="center" width="20%">PHI</td><td align="center" width="20%">CLE</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">Total Offense</td><td align="center">305</td><td align="center">348</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">Rushing Yards</td><td align="center">96</td><td align="center">157</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">Passing Yards</td><td align="center">209</td><td align="center">191</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">First Downs</td><td align="center">17</td><td align="center">15</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">Punt Return Yards</td><td align="center">41</td><td align="center">15</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">Kick Return Yards</td><td align="center">38</td><td align="center">72</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">Total Yards</td><td align="center">384</td><td align="center">435</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">Turnovers</td><td align="center">1</td><td align="center">2</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">3rd Down Converstion</td><td align="center">5-14</td><td align="center">5-11</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">4th Down Conversion</td><td align="center">0-1</td><td align="center">0-0</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">2-Point Conversion</td><td align="center">0-0</td><td align="center">0-0</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">Red Zone Touchdowns/Field Goals</td><td align="center">1/2</td><td align="center">1/2</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">Penalties</td><td align="center">1-15</td><td align="center">4-35</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">Posession Time</td><td align="center">31:06</td><td align="center">20:54</td></tr></table><table cellpadding="1" cellspacing="0" class="spacer" style="margin:0 auto;" width="575"><tr><td align="center" valign="top" width="50%"><table cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" class="osdyn spacer" width="100%"><tr class="masthead_alt"><td bgcolor="#003B48" colspan="5"><span style="color:#FFFFFF;">Philadelphia Eagles</span></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">PASSING</td><td align="right" width="16%">C/A</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td><td align="right" width="16%">INT</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>McCoy</td><td align="right">13/24</td><td align="right">208</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">1</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">RUSHING</td><td align="right" width="16%">ATT</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">AVG</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>Richardson</td><td align="right">24</td><td align="right">151</td><td align="right">6.2</td><td align="right">1</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>Marecic</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">8</td><td align="right">4.0</td><td align="right">0</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>McCoy</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">-2</td><td align="right">-2.0</td><td align="right">0</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">RECEIVING</td><td align="right" width="16%">REC</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">AVG</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>Cribbs</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">42</td><td align="right">14.0</td><td align="right">0</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>Richardson</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">14</td><td align="right">7.0</td><td align="right">0</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>Benjamin</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">32</td><td align="right">16.0</td><td align="right">0</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>Watson</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">9</td><td align="right">4.5</td><td align="right">0</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>Little</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">88</td><td align="right">44.0</td><td align="right">1</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>Marecic</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">11</td><td align="right">11.0</td><td align="right">0</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>Gordon</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">12</td><td align="right">12.0</td><td align="right">0</td></tr></table></td><td align="center" valign="top" width="50%"><table cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" class="osdyn spacer" width="100%"><tr class="masthead_alt"><td bgcolor="#322820" colspan="5"><span style="color:#FFFFFF;">Cleveland Browns</span></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">PASSING</td><td align="right" width="16%">C/A</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td><td align="right" width="16%">INT</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>Vick</td><td align="right">24/34</td><td align="right">236</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">0</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">RUSHING</td><td align="right" width="16%">ATT</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">AVG</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>McCoy</td><td align="right">14</td><td align="right">42</td><td align="right">2.9</td><td align="right">0</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>Vick</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right">55</td><td align="right">7.8</td><td align="right">0</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>Lewis</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">-1</td><td align="right">-1.0</td><td align="right"></td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">RECEIVING</td><td align="right" width="16%">REC</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">AVG</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>McCoy</td><td align="right">9</td><td align="right">95</td><td align="right">10.5</td><td align="right">0</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>Maclin</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right">53</td><td align="right">13.2</td><td align="right">1</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>Hall</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">21</td><td align="right">7.0</td><td align="right">0</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>Avant</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">22</td><td align="right">7.3</td><td align="right">0</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>Johnson</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">13</td><td align="right">6.5</td><td align="right">0</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>Celek</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">12</td><td align="right">12.0</td><td align="right">0</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>Harbor</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">13</td><td align="right">13.0</td><td align="right">0</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>Jackson</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right">7.0</td><td align="right">0</td></tr></table></td></tr></table></body></html>

[LaW97]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

And this is why im sticking with Madden 12

EA is making game testers out of us customers.

Jus not right man,
jus not right.

[Rawdeal28]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

First game using these, Browns (me) vs. Eagles (cpu) and let me tell you, this may be what saves this game for me. I'm actually being challenged by the CPU for the first time in a long time. I hope I get these results with the rest of my games.

Just finished my first game, really enjoyed it. Scored mid-way in the fourth to go up 20-16 and held on for the win. Richardson came on late including a big 40 yard run. I used Charter04's sliders, a few too many fumbles but other than that they were pretty solid. Here is the box score for those who are interested:

<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"><link href="http://dynasties.operationsports.com/css/osdyn.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css"><table class="osdyn" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="575"><tbody><tr class="masthead"><td colspan="6" align="center">Philadelphia Eagles at Cleveland Browns</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="48%">Jan 1, 2012</td><td align="right" width="10%">1ST</td><td align="right" width="10%">2ND</td><td align="right" width="10%">3RD</td><td align="right" width="10%">4TH</td><td align="right" width="12%">SCORE</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>Philadelphia Eagles (0-0 CPU)</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">6</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right">0</td><td class="active" align="right">16</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>Cleveland Browns (0-0 HUM)</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">7</td><td class="active" align="right">20</td></tr></tbody></table><table class="osdyn spacer" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="575"><tbody><tr class="masthead"><td colspan="3">Team Stats Comparison</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="60%">
</td><td align="center" width="20%">PHI</td><td align="center" width="20%">CLE</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">Total Offense</td><td align="center">305</td><td align="center">348</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">Rushing Yards</td><td align="center">96</td><td align="center">157</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">Passing Yards</td><td align="center">209</td><td align="center">191</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">First Downs</td><td align="center">17</td><td align="center">15</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">Punt Return Yards</td><td align="center">41</td><td align="center">15</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">Kick Return Yards</td><td align="center">38</td><td align="center">72</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">Total Yards</td><td align="center">384</td><td align="center">435</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">Turnovers</td><td align="center">1</td><td align="center">2</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">3rd Down Converstion</td><td align="center">5-14</td><td align="center">5-11</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">4th Down Conversion</td><td align="center">0-1</td><td align="center">0-0</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">2-Point Conversion</td><td align="center">0-0</td><td align="center">0-0</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">Red Zone Touchdowns/Field Goals</td><td align="center">1/2</td><td align="center">1/2</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td align="center">Penalties</td><td align="center">1-15</td><td align="center">4-35</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td align="center">Posession Time</td><td align="center">31:06</td><td align="center">20:54</td></tr></tbody></table><table class="spacer" style="margin:0 auto;" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="0" width="575"><tbody><tr><td align="center" valign="top" width="50%"><table class="osdyn spacer" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%"><tbody><tr class="masthead_alt"><td colspan="5" bgcolor="#003B48">Philadelphia Eagles</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">PASSING</td><td align="right" width="16%">C/A</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td><td align="right" width="16%">INT</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>McCoy</td><td align="right">13/24</td><td align="right">208</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">1</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">RUSHING</td><td align="right" width="16%">ATT</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">AVG</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>Richardson</td><td align="right">24</td><td align="right">151</td><td align="right">6.2</td><td align="right">1</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>Marecic</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">8</td><td align="right">4.0</td><td align="right">0</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>McCoy</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">-2</td><td align="right">-2.0</td><td align="right">0</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">RECEIVING</td><td align="right" width="16%">REC</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">AVG</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>Cribbs</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">42</td><td align="right">14.0</td><td align="right">0</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>Richardson</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">14</td><td align="right">7.0</td><td align="right">0</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>Benjamin</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">32</td><td align="right">16.0</td><td align="right">0</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>Watson</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">9</td><td align="right">4.5</td><td align="right">0</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>Little</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">88</td><td align="right">44.0</td><td align="right">1</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>Marecic</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">11</td><td align="right">11.0</td><td align="right">0</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>Gordon</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">12</td><td align="right">12.0</td><td align="right">0</td></tr></tbody></table></td><td align="center" valign="top" width="50%"><table class="osdyn spacer" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%"><tbody><tr class="masthead_alt"><td colspan="5" bgcolor="#322820">Cleveland Browns</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">PASSING</td><td align="right" width="16%">C/A</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td><td align="right" width="16%">INT</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>Vick</td><td align="right">24/34</td><td align="right">236</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">0</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">RUSHING</td><td align="right" width="16%">ATT</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">AVG</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>McCoy</td><td align="right">14</td><td align="right">42</td><td align="right">2.9</td><td align="right">0</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>Vick</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right">55</td><td align="right">7.8</td><td align="right">0</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>Lewis</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">-1</td><td align="right">-1.0</td><td align="right">
</td></tr><tr class="stathead"><td width="36%">RECEIVING</td><td align="right" width="16%">REC</td><td align="right" width="16%">YDS</td><td align="right" width="16%">AVG</td><td align="right" width="16%">TD</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>McCoy</td><td align="right">9</td><td align="right">95</td><td align="right">10.5</td><td align="right">0</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>Maclin</td><td align="right">4</td><td align="right">53</td><td align="right">13.2</td><td align="right">1</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>Hall</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">21</td><td align="right">7.0</td><td align="right">0</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>Avant</td><td align="right">3</td><td align="right">22</td><td align="right">7.3</td><td align="right">0</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>Johnson</td><td align="right">2</td><td align="right">13</td><td align="right">6.5</td><td align="right">0</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>Celek</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">12</td><td align="right">12.0</td><td align="right">0</td></tr><tr class="oddrow"><td>Harbor</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">13</td><td align="right">13.0</td><td align="right">0</td></tr><tr class="evenrow"><td>Jackson</td><td align="right">1</td><td align="right">7</td><td align="right">7.0</td><td align="right">0</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table>

glad we can help in your enjoyment of the game.

oh and you put the eagles stats under the browns. lol

[nolesfan3]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

glad we can help in your enjoyment of the game.

oh and you put the eagles stats under the browns. lol

hahaha yeah I'm an idiot!

[KingV2k3]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

First game using these, Browns (me) vs. Eagles (cpu) and let me tell you, this may be what saves this game for me. I'm actually being challenged by the CPU for the first time in a long time. I hope I get these results with the rest of my games.

Which book did you assign to the Eagles?

Their default scheme is Spread, but they are a Reid / West Coast team...

I could see WC or RNG being legit options...

How many of Vick's 7 runs were scrambles as opposed to QB Run plays?

If they were scrambles, then PHI dropped back 41 times to 15 runs...

Thanks!

[nolesfan3]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

I gave them the Run and Gun playbook. All but two of Vick's run were scrambles, they ran the Wildcat with McCoy. One time McCoy looked to pass, but my DE hit him before he was able to throw it.

I thought their run to pass ratio was a little high myself, but then when you look at them in real life, Andy Reid does throw more than run, and a lot of the passes to McCoy are like runs, basically the same way they used Westbrook.

[Rawdeal28]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

im gonna give the Eagles the West Coast playbook personally whenever i play them.

[nolesfan3]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

I just went by the list that Detroit put up on page 15, that how I chose the Eagles offense. I'm sure the West Coast offense would work just as well for the Eagles.