run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

[DetroitStyle]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

Yes but who decided on those schemes for which teams? The Madden Dev team.. who also got the playbooks completely wrong. I don't have much trust for them plus they set those schemes based on the expectations on how a team would play in the 2012 season. We have 7 weeks of stats we can get a better definition of each team at this point in the season and set it up better I feel.

I mean for teams like NYJ obviously they are Power Run. But speaking for myself I don't follow every team closely I have no damn idea what type of team the Bengals or Cincinnati are and thats on top of peoples inherent bias' for and against teams. I just want my teams ingame to matchup as realistically as they perform in the real NFL. The best way to acheive that is through the first 6 weeks of stats we have available to us.

EX: The Patriots scheme is listed as Spread but reality this year they have been playing more Balanced.

EX 2: Your listing of the EA Schemes has the Bills listed as Spread as well, which is tied to Run-n-Gun playbook. On the OP most people interpret the Bills to be Run Balanced. Thats a pretty big difference and the best way to settle that argument would be to turn to the stats. That's the only point im bringing up I appreciate your list it is very helpful! Heres some stats I threw together from ProFootballFocus

Bills 2012 Splits
184 Passing attempts
175 Running attempts

11.4 Average YPC

Passing breakdown
29 attempts behind LOS
84 attempts 0-9 yards
43 attempts 10-19 yards
20 attempts 20+ yards

Patriots 2012 Splits
243 Passing attempts
217 Running attempts

11.5 Average YPC

Passing breakdown
25 attempts behind LOS
133 attempts 0-9 yards
40 attempts 10-19 yards
32 attempts 20+ yards

just something quick I threw together. Im sure we could find other stats to define teams playing styles. But today is Sunday. Today is not a stat day.

Whatever you want man. There is no right or wrong answer for which playbooks each team should get. It all comes down to your philosophy. Do you go by what the experts say the coach likes to run, do you go by stats, or do you go by what EA originally intended. Either way you can't go wrong using any of the generic playbooks.

I played a game with a Run N' Gun team yesterday and it ended up being pretty balanced. I played a game today against the texans as run balanced and Schaub was throwing on first downs and was pretty balanced. That's why we have so many opinions and options so you can pick the playbook you want a team to be running with that fits your idea of that team.

[Rawdeal28]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

Yes but who decided on those schemes for which teams? The Madden Dev team.. who also got the playbooks completely wrong. I don't have much trust for them plus they set those schemes based on the expectations on how a team would play in the 2012 season. We have 7 weeks of stats we can get a better definition of each team at this point in the season and set it up better I feel.

I mean for teams like NYJ obviously they are Power Run. But speaking for myself I don't follow every team closely I have no damn idea what type of team the Bengals or Cincinnati are and thats on top of peoples inherent bias' for and against teams. I just want my teams ingame to matchup as realistically as they perform in the real NFL. The best way to acheive that is through the first 6 weeks of stats we have available to us.

EX: The Patriots scheme is listed as Spread but reality this year they have been playing more Balanced.

EX 2: Your listing of the EA Schemes has the Bills listed as Spread as well, which is tied to Run-n-Gun playbook. On the OP most people interpret the Bills to be Run Balanced. Thats a pretty big difference and the best way to settle that argument would be to turn to the stats. That's the only point im bringing up I appreciate your list it is very helpful! Heres some stats I threw together from ProFootballFocus

Bills 2012 Splits
184 Passing attempts
175 Running attempts

11.4 Average YPC

Passing breakdown
29 attempts behind LOS
84 attempts 0-9 yards
43 attempts 10-19 yards
20 attempts 20+ yards

Patriots 2012 Splits
243 Passing attempts
217 Running attempts

11.5 Average YPC

Passing breakdown
25 attempts behind LOS
133 attempts 0-9 yards
40 attempts 10-19 yards
32 attempts 20+ yards

just something quick I threw together. Im sure we could find other stats to define teams playing styles. But today is Sunday. Today is not a stat day.

i agree with you bro cuz i have saying the same things. you have a variety of factors into account. like the example i gave about my Raiders. they have passed alot this year but thats only because McFadden has been trying to get use to the new running scheme.

pass balanced should be used for the Bengals, Colts, Steelers, Giants, and other similar teams.

[js3512]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

It absolutely amazes me that the community was all up in arms about not having a fantasy draft or not being able to edit players yet editing playbooks seemed like a non-issue to so many. Personally, this should have been fixed before the other two as having your own playbook is tied directly into being a coach. Also, wish the problem about the star ratings in the playbooks had been discovered and brought to everyone's attention before the patch but unless there's another patch I guess we're stuck using these generic playbooks. Until they find a way to "fix" the loophole of changing the other teams playbook.

[tril]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

so I popped MAdden 12 back in the ps3 to see if there was a difference in the run/pass ratio. and yup there clearly is one.
so the next question I have is about the playbooks. are the playbooks from 12 and 13 that much different.
has anyone checked if there is anything totally diffeenrt form the two.
on 12 the palybooks seemed to be based around a coaches philosophy adn not the team itself.
I guess what Im trying to ask is has anyone tried to replicate those playbooks in 13.

[Sturzinator]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

It absolutely amazes me that the community was all up in arms about not having a fantasy draft or not being able to edit players yet editing playbooks seemed like a non-issue to so many. Personally, this should have been fixed before the other two as having your own playbook is tied directly into being a coach. Also, wish the problem about the star ratings in the playbooks had been discovered and brought to everyone's attention before the patch but unless there's another patch I guess we're stuck using these generic playbooks. Until they find a way to "fix" the loophole of changing the other teams playbook.

Unfortunately the majority of this community is far more caught up in sock color, dreads, and half time shows than the real important nuts and bolts that make the game of football truly replicated on this platform.

Style over substance. Sad.

[Rawdeal28]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

Unfortunately the majority of this community is far more caught up in sock color, dreads, and half time shows than the real important nuts and bolts that make the game of football truly replicated on this platform.

Style over substance. Sad.

amen bro.

[Sturzinator]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

amen bro.

The real crime in this mentality is that it allows EA to merely implement more fluff and eye candy to pander to the masses and carry the bottom line for the game sales instead of focusing the effort where it is really needed - game play.

Anyway, don't want to wander too far off topic.

Let's get these D -playbooks set up so we can continue to fix the game for ourselves.

[agidio3]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

i started a thread for the defensive playbooks

[geisterhome]

The real crime in this mentality is that it allows EA to merely implement more fluff and eye candy to pander to the masses and carry the bottom line for the game sales instead of focusing the effort where it is really needed - game play.

Anyway, don't want to wander too far off topic.

Let's get these D -playbooks set up so we can continue to fix the game for ourselves.

if the presentation was at least that good, but imo it's rather worse than in most other sports games

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[js3512]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

Just made an additional small discovery if noone else has noticed this yet. I don't like to use Gameflow as I like to be able to see the play art and everything before choosing the play but I do use Ask Madden as my first look, especially on offense, and if I don't like any of those suggestions will look elsewhere. I noticed after changing my own teams playbooks that the plays that came up in Ask Madden were much more diverse and had many more passing suggestions. So this apperently doesn't just effect the Gameflow and CPU logic but also the overall playcalling logic. Finally being back home it was my first chance to try this out and I've noticed this seems to make the game a bit more difficult as the CPU will now actually throw the ball once they break into the redzone meaning no more holding them to FG's everytime. lol

[js3512]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

if the presentation was at least that good, but imo it's rather worse than in most other sports games

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It is worse than most sports games but that still doesn't justify a focus on that over gameplay from the community.

[KBLover]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

I'll definitely have to give this a try. I just wish EA would actually comment on this issue rather than duck it. Emmdot said he would ask about this and never answered back.

Also wish it didn't require two controllers...

I used to have two, don't now and really don't want to get another to correct an issue that shouldn't need such workarounds.

[rudyjuly2]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

It absolutely amazes me that the community was all up in arms about not having a fantasy draft or not being able to edit players yet editing playbooks seemed like a non-issue to so many. Personally, this should have been fixed before the other two as having your own playbook is tied directly into being a coach. Also, wish the problem about the star ratings in the playbooks had been discovered and brought to everyone's attention before the patch but unless there's another patch I guess we're stuck using these generic playbooks. Until they find a way to "fix" the loophole of changing the other teams playbook.

This was discovered well before the patch. It was actually discovered immediately and I know I tweeted at them along with others about the issue. Got the same stock response "Thanks and we'll pass it along." There were two big threads here on OS. This thread was started August 27th - the day BEFORE the official physical release! http://www.operationsports.com/forum...l-so-much.html

Post #79 on August 28th brought up the star ratings in playbooks as being an issue. Trust me, EA knows about this and didn't bother to fix it for whatever reason.

[Rawdeal28]

Re: run/pass ratio Team specific playbooks for computer- offline CCM

This was discovered well before the patch. It was actually discovered immediately and I know I tweeted at them along with others about the issue. Got the same stock response "Thanks and we'll pass it along." There were two big threads here on OS. This thread was started August 27th - the day BEFORE the official physical release! http://www.operationsports.com/forum...l-so-much.html

Post #79 on August 28th brought up the star ratings in playbooks as being an issue. Trust me, EA knows about this and didn't bother to fix it for whatever reason.

yeah i remember those. but it wasnt harped on in every thread like player editing and custom rosters was. thats why they never paid attention to it.

[SJHalt621]

Just made an additional small discovery if noone else has noticed this yet. I don't like to use Gameflow as I like to be able to see the play art and everything before choosing the play but I do use Ask Madden as my first look, especially on offense, and if I don't like any of those suggestions will look elsewhere. I noticed after changing my own teams playbooks that the plays that came up in Ask Madden were much more diverse and had many more passing suggestions. So this apperently doesn't just effect the Gameflow and CPU logic but also the overall playcalling logic. Finally being back home it was my first chance to try this out and I've noticed this seems to make the game a bit more difficult as the CPU will now actually throw the ball once they break into the redzone meaning no more holding them to FG's everytime. lol

Sorry alittle tired from working double..but u lost me on this one..but I'm interested in this..can u explain this again..but like u would explain it to a child as I'm not picking it up..thanks..lol