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  • Hooe
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    • Aug 2002
    • 21554

    #136
    Re: 2K Partners with NFLPA to Allow NFL Players in Multiple Football Games

    Originally posted by Kanobi
    If Take-Two used the NFLPA license to make a pro football "sim" using current players (with fictional teams, stadiums, logos, etc) then legally EA couldn't do anything about it.

    Based on what we know, it is only if Take-Two attempted a football "sim" using the NFL license that EA would have legal grounds to intervene.
    I disagree with the core premise of your argument that the NFLPA - EA licensing agreement isn't exclusive.

    As I posted earlier in the thread, the Polygon article from May about the NFLPA - EA license extension doesn't agree with your take that their arrangement isn't exclusive with respect to simulation games (again, emphasis mine):
    The exclusivity in EA’s agreements applies only to simulation titles; the contract language says that “arcade-style games, youth games, and casual/mobile games” are open to anyone.
    We obviously can't see the contracts ourselves, but I don't think the reporter for Polygon chose the word "agreements" (plural) by accident.

    Second, the NFLPA's press release about their own agreement with EA also explicitly called out EA Sports Madden NFL with the words "exclusive" and "simulation" in the same sentence. I similarly do not think that is accidental, either.

    Speaking more practically rather than trying to analyze privately-negotiated legal documents we can't see and will never see, though: even if the NFLPA - EA license agreement doesn't contain a "simulation" clause similar to the NFL - EA agreement (which, again, I don't think that's the case, but let's roll with it), I sincerely doubt Take 2's legal department would greenlight anything which could potentially invite a lawsuit from Electronic Arts or the NFL. Regardless whether such lawsuits would ultimately have legal merit and withstand judicial scrutiny, lawsuits take time and more importantly money to resolve. Billion-dollar companies generally prefer to not pay lawyers if they don't have to.

    Maybe we will all be pleasantly surprised a few years down the line, but from where we currently stand I see no reason to hold out hope for the NFL 2K successor a lot of people here want to see.
    Last edited by Hooe; 08-02-2020, 09:40 PM. Reason: words

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    • Kanobi
      H*F Cl*ss *f '09
      • Apr 2003
      • 6054

      #137
      Re: 2K Partners with NFLPA to Allow NFL Players in Multiple Football Games

      Originally posted by kehlis
      Let me know when it happens.
      We'll all find out together.

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      • Kanobi
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        • Apr 2003
        • 6054

        #138
        Re: 2K Partners with NFLPA to Allow NFL Players in Multiple Football Games

        Originally posted by CM Hooe
        I disagree with the core premise of your argument that the NFLPA - EA licensing agreement isn't exclusive.

        As I posted earlier in the thread, the Polygon article from May about the NFLPA - EA license extension doesn't agree with your take that their arrangement isn't exclusive with respect to simulation games (again, emphasis mine):We obviously can't see the contracts ourselves, but I don't think the reporter for Polygon chose the word "agreements" (plural) by accident.
        Your earlier post wasn't overlooked.

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        • J_Posse
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          • Jun 2005
          • 11255

          #139
          Re: 2K Partners with NFLPA to Allow NFL Players in Multiple Football Games

          I think we are just arguing in circles at this point. There is a strong, if not definite, possibility that Take - Two will only greenlight an arcade game - be it Blitz, Street or "Playgrounds" esque - and all our "wishful thinking" is all for not.

          That is actually the most plausible outcome, but the NFL license (even the "non-simulation" one) is expensive & we've all seen that those "non-simulation" titles don't have much growth potential, make little in the way of revenue or marketshare & aren't iterated on annually (at least on console).

          It could be in Take - Two/2K Sports' best interest to go with those more niche titles or actually attempt to make a dent in a market salivating for another AAA pro football title.

          Like the old saying goes, I'll just continue to "hope for the best but prepare for the worst" until concrete information or titles are announced.

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          • ksuttonjr76
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            • Nov 2004
            • 8662

            #140
            Re: 2K Partners with NFLPA to Allow NFL Players in Multiple Football Games

            Originally posted by kehlis
            Let me know when it happens.
            It will. I don't know why some people are acting like Take-Two is supposed to be scared of EA or worried about hurting their "feelings". It's nothing personal. It's just business.

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            • Blzer
              Resident film pundit
              • Mar 2004
              • 42520

              #141
              Re: 2K Partners with NFLPA to Allow NFL Players in Multiple Football Games

              Originally posted by ksuttonjr76
              It will. I don't know why some people are acting like Take-Two is supposed to be scared of EA or worried about hurting their "feelings". It's nothing personal. It's just business.
              I think 2K wants to bitch-slap EA, and have wanted to for the past fifteen years. Screw their feelings.

              It's the NFL they have to be careful with. That's who they're in bed with now. They won't want to piss them off by finding a loophole to create a customizable enough simulation football game so that it could pass of as an NFL simulation, much more so than that of APF 2K8 (even with Javo's editor).
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              • zello144
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                • Jul 2013
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                #142
                Re: 2K Partners with NFLPA to Allow NFL Players in Multiple Football Games

                Originally posted by Blzer
                And why would that be? You mean because it's universal recognition across every sport, and NBA 2K's success will lend toward 2K football success?
                2k and Take Two it just goes well. Imagine if they decided to call it Sega Baseball/Basketball/Football instead.

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                • Blzer
                  Resident film pundit
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 42520

                  #143
                  Re: 2K Partners with NFLPA to Allow NFL Players in Multiple Football Games

                  Originally posted by zello144
                  2k and Take Two it just goes well. Imagine if they decided to call it Sega Baseball/Basketball/Football instead.
                  Man, each time I'm hearing SEGA with these items (I just watched some NFL 2K2 stuff last week again) I'm getting hit with so many blissful nostalgic feelings of perhaps my favorite gaming period ever. Not the best games ever, but the time when I had the most enjoyment playing video games.

                  I think I would have loved that just fine, but I know what you mean by the sound of the publisher and the product.
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                  • ksuttonjr76
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                    • Nov 2004
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                    #144
                    Re: 2K Partners with NFLPA to Allow NFL Players in Multiple Football Games

                    Originally posted by Blzer
                    I think 2K wants to bitch-slap EA, and have wanted to for the past fifteen years. Screw their feelings.

                    It's the NFL they have to be careful with. That's who they're in bed with now. They won't want to piss them off by finding a loophole to create a customizable enough simulation football game so that it could pass of as an NFL simulation, much more so than that of APF 2K8 (even with Javo's editor).
                    Do you all really think the NFL cares that much about the history between EA and Take-Two? The more money that Take-Two makes, that's more money in their pockets.

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                    • Blzer
                      Resident film pundit
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 42520

                      #145
                      Re: 2K Partners with NFLPA to Allow NFL Players in Multiple Football Games

                      Originally posted by ksuttonjr76
                      Do you all really think the NFL cares that much about the history between EA and Take-Two? The more money that Take-Two makes, that's more money in their pockets.
                      I'm not talking about EA. EA has nothing to do with my conversation. Well, sort of, but not really.

                      I'm talking about how the NFL would be gypped out of more money by 2K playing a workaround. And then, yes, partially how EA might sit and go: "Wait, how come they can do that for a nickel and we have to pay $1.5 billion just to have those items out of the box?"

                      As far as the rest of it goes, I'm redirecting you to my lemonade analogy, otherwise I'll be talking in circles like we all have been here. In fact, you were the very person who I responded to when I made it, so if you ignored it then I urge you read it to understand the intent of my posts.
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                      • canes21
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                        • Sep 2008
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                        #146
                        Re: 2K Partners with NFLPA to Allow NFL Players in Multiple Football Games

                        I've already said that I sit on the side right now that thinks it's an NFL Playgrounds type game only at the moment and I don't really think we'll see a simulation game with fake teams and real players.

                        That said, the one thing that continues to pique my interest is that the language of the terms makes it seem like 2k will be releasing a game annually and I don't see them doing that with NFL Playgrounds because that does not fit the Playgrounds model.
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                        • zello144
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                          • Jul 2013
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                          #147
                          Re: 2K Partners with NFLPA to Allow NFL Players in Multiple Football Games

                          Originally posted by ksuttonjr76
                          It will. I don't know why some people are acting like Take-Two is supposed to be scared of EA or worried about hurting their "feelings". It's nothing personal. It's just business.
                          Don't forget Take Two's lawyers have defended Rockstar in court for all the trouble they've gotten over the years because of GTA. They got an all star roster of lawyers on standby should they do something that gets them in trouble with EA or the NFL and violates whatever contract they have.

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                          • Mike Lowe
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                            • Dec 2006
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                            #148
                            Re: 2K Partners with NFLPA to Allow NFL Players in Multiple Football Games

                            My guess is that they're making an NFL Street game, and possibly a second one that's built strictly to compete with MUT.

                            They'd have to do a lot of different things within that Ultimate Team universe, but I could see it being something like the SFL or whatever that big APF 2K8 league is called. 2K would professionally cover the top tier of that league.

                            Perhaps it's a combination of those two games doing a system like this.

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                            • zello144
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                              • Jul 2013
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                              #149
                              Re: 2K Partners with NFLPA to Allow NFL Players in Multiple Football Games

                              I'm hoping for the best a return of NFL 2k non arcade but I think it's most likely going to be a supercard mobile type of game and that will be very disappointing.

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                              • steeleye5
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                                • Sep 2012
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                                #150
                                Re: 2K Partners with NFLPA to Allow NFL Players in Multiple Football Games

                                Originally posted by Mike Lowe
                                My guess is that they're making an NFL Street game, and possibly a second one that's built strictly to compete with MUT.

                                They'd have to do a lot of different things within that Ultimate Team universe, but I could see it being something like the SFL or whatever that big APF 2K8 league is called. 2K would professionally cover the top tier of that league.

                                Perhaps it's a combination of those two games doing a system like this.
                                I think this is the most likely scenario, EA will be breathing down their neck every step of the way and anything they do will be looked over multiple times by them and probably a few lawyers. 2K has a couple of different avenues to stroll down, but I think if they can build something that's fun and won't get them in trouble with EA and the NFL, they'll should be able to grab enough sales to keep the train going.

                                Originally posted by zello144
                                I'm hoping for the best a return of NFL 2k non arcade but I think it's most likely going to be a supercard mobile type of game and that will be very disappointing.
                                If we don't get a card-collecting mobile game at some point in time from them, I'd be shocked. While disappointing, it would definitely be easy money for 2K.

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