Michael Vick Discussion Thread

[deaduck]

Re: Michael Vick Discussion Thread

I see the Maddenites have accidently leaked out over into here.

I don't go in the Madden forums much...but if this is the case I might avoid that board like the black plaugue of death.

..And somebody needs to do a scientific study linking the level of usefulness of a post to the amount of emoticons used.

[pelly]

Re: Michael Vick Discussion Thread

Yea, but carter u said black men, not just vick. But its cool, im more mature than i sounded in my last post, so my bad about the name calling. This is the internet. I cant hurt u and u cant hurt me. So this is pointless and a waste of our time. So lets just agree to disagree

[carterjt47]

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Yea, but carter u said black men, not just vick. But its cool, im more mature than i sounded in my last post, so my bad about the name calling. This is the internet. I cant hurt u and u cant hurt me. So this is pointless and a waste of our time. So lets just agree to disagree

ok,alright,peace treaty!!!l life is too short to be arguing on the internet

[realultimatepower]

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Race has little to do with this situation.

In fact geography has way more to do with it.

Folks in rural areas tend to see the life and death cycle of animals a bit different than folks who's only contact with live animals is a family pet or two.

It in no way excuses what he did at all but it speaks to the outrage some have towards this versus the attitude of others.

This case has nothing to do with geography. He was charged and prosecuted in the federal system. Had he committed these crimes in any state, he'd still have been facing the same penalties, which is why he was in Leavenworth instead of a Virginia prison.

They also weren't jury trials since Vick and his buddies copped pleas and gave up that right. He didn't fight the charges. While the judge was "local", he was a federal judge and mandated to follow the federal guidelines, not the Virginia. He was tried federally because these fights took place in many states.

He was charged with state crimes as well, but thats par for the course. The federal case took precedence in regards to the dogfighting and gambling charges.

In comparison, had Plaxico Burress been charged federally, he wouldnt be facing 3 1/2 years. NYC's gun laws are a lot different than most places and a lot stricter.

[deaduck]

Re: Michael Vick Discussion Thread

This case has nothing to do with geography. He was charged and prosecuted in the federal system. Had he committed these crimes in any state, he'd still have been facing the same penalties, which is why he was in Leavenworth instead of a Virginia prison.

They also weren't jury trials since Vick and his buddies copped pleas and gave up that right. He didn't fight the charges. While the judge was "local", he was a federal judge and mandated to follow the federal guidelines, not the Virginia. He was tried federally because these fights took place in many states.

He was charged with state crimes as well, but thats par for the course. The federal case took precedence in regards to the dogfighting and gambling charges.

In comparison, had Plaxico Burress been charged federally, he wouldnt be facing 3 1/2 years. NYC's gun laws are a lot different than most places and a lot stricter.

You're confusing the crime for the mindset that caused the crime.

An apt metaphor would be like arguing that a crackhead stealing your TV had nothing to do with drug addiction.

Vick has/had a southern rural mindset. It's born from being around animals being slaugthered for food. Hunting and fishing as more than a relaxing time with the boys. When you see this stuff on the daily, you don't tend to get sentimental about animals as easily as somebody who just has dealt with animals as pets and at zoo's.

As stated before, I don't agree with the crime but I understand the rational behind it.

[TheMatrix31]

Re: Michael Vick Discussion Thread

No more race discussion. No more insults.

[realultimatepower]

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You're confusing the crime for the mindset that caused the crime.

An apt metaphor would be like arguing that a crackhead stealing your TV had nothing to do with drug addiction.

Vick has/had a southern rural mindset. It's born from being around animals being slaugthered for food. Hunting and fishing as more than a relaxing time with the boys. When you see this stuff on the daily, you don't tend to get sentimental about animals as easily as somebody who just has dealt with animals as pets and at zoo's.

As stated before, I don't agree with the crime but I understand the rational behind it.

What an absolutely absurd blanket statement and silly attempt at playing armchair psychologist, and based on what? He's not from some po-dunk little town.

I am from the south and most of the people I know were absolutely appalled by the crime and thought he got off light. I also know nobody who's ever been interested by or participated in dogfighting. Hunting is a completely different circumstance. You don't hunt dog.

Its far more likely he did this to make a buck and help his "boys" out with their gambling ring than some innate desire to kill animals because of growing up in the south. He's also from Newport News, which is an urban area and there is nothing rural about the area of Virginia where he comes from. Dogfighting is not limited to rural areas. Its gone on in California in the LA area for many years.

[wwharton]

Re: Michael Vick Discussion Thread

What an absolutely absurd blanket statement and silly attempt at playing armchair psychologist, and based on what? He's not from some po-dunk little town.

I am from the south and most of the people I know were absolutely appalled by the crime and thought he got off light. I also know nobody who's ever been interested by or participated in dogfighting. Hunting is a completely different circumstance. You don't hunt dog.

Its far more likely he did this to make a buck and help his "boys" out with their gambling ring than some innate desire to kill animals because of growing up in the south. He's also from Newport News, which is an urban area and there is nothing rural about the area of Virginia where he comes from. Dogfighting is not limited to rural areas. Its gone on in California in the LA area for many years.

Please do a search for Vick and get caught up with all the discussions that have already been had (and eventually locked) since the case first broke. We don't need to rehash this again. This discussion is about Vick, the football player. Any talk about his situation should only be related to why it may hurt him getting back in the league. I'm sure you got all of this out of your system two years ago, didn't you?

[StayPlation82]

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i personally see Vick in Arizona. Lineart is losing his job to St. Pierre and Kurt has about 1.5 seasons in him left. the head coach is from the steelers where they love to run the ball. Vick can definitely throw to Fitz and Boldin and they are one of the only teams that haven't commented on him. just my thoughts. what do you think?

[SoxFan01605]

Re: Michael Vick Discussion Thread

I honestly thought SOMEBODY would have signed him by now.

Is there something I'm missing that makes him "unsignable" outside of the media attention and the possible diminished skills?

I don't think you're missing anything. Those two reasons, when coupled, are plenty for a team to shy away from Vick.

Teams don't really ever want to take a PR hit, but especially when the returns may not be worth it. Remember, Vick's ability as a QB were in question before he missed so much time. His market value was based on his pure, instinctive, athleticism.

After missing that much time, the level of that athleticism is sure to be a question mark. Add the fact that the time away makes him much more raw (in terms of football knowledge and "playing shape") makes it an even bigger gamble. Remember, guys who miss a matter of weeks need time to get back in sync...Vicks been gone (and more abnormally out of touch due to his incarceration) for a couple years now.

That makes him likely to be a package or "specialty" player at best, specifically during the early going. I'm sure a lot of teams are wondering if it's worth the gamble on a guy who has such a negative image and likely won't see the football field enough to counter that image via performance.

Eventually in the NFL, talent will trump character at some point in the decision making process. That's the question mark for Vick. Is the talent level still high enough for it to be worth it? Someone will likely think so...depending on his asking price.

Personally, I agree with the notion that it would have to be an extremely stable franchise, or at least one that has a well- respected, if not established, hierarchy. Also, media is a consideration too. He's going to draw attention, that's a given. The obvious goal would be to minimize it...at least in the early going as he tries to get in sync and focus on football.

[deaduck]

Re: Michael Vick Discussion Thread

re:wwharton

I wasn't on these board two years ago so... No, I didn't get it out of my system then. And I apologize if reading others discuss the subject of his original arrest causes you so many personal issues that you think me reading two years of back posts concerning Vick to catch up on everybody's opinion is a sane idea.

Because it's not sane and I'm not going to do it.

As for the rural nature of Newport News or Hampton (where both I and Vick currently reside.) We're about a 10 to 20 minute drive from backwoods thus explaining the isolation required to run a dog fighting ring. And yes, the attitude out there is different.

[wwharton]

Re: Michael Vick Discussion Thread

re:wwharton

I wasn't on these board two years ago so... No, I didn't get it out of my system then. And I apologize if reading others discuss the subject of his original arrest causes you so many personal issues that you think me reading two years of back posts concerning Vick to catch up on everybody's opinion is a sane idea.

Because it's not sane and I'm not going to do it.

As for the rural nature of Newport News or Hampton (where both I and Vick currently reside.) We're about a 10 to 20 minute drive from backwoods thus explaining the isolation required to run a dog fighting ring. And yes, the attitude out there is different.

Hey deaduck, my comments weren't directed at you at all. But I can understand why you'd group yourself given the message. I've said the same thing whenever anyone started posting details of the case and their strong (they're always strong) feelings about Vick as a person bc of them. It derails every Vick thread, and the thread is then quickly locked... literally every single time. I completely understand why you'd reply to the guy. Just trying to cut it off before more people take the thread completely off track and this one gets locked too. My guess is that's why anyone that was in all of the older discussions usually ignore posts about the case (see PPM's post earlier in this thread in response to the same guy I think... but like you said, you wouldn't know that bc you weren't here).

My comment about getting it out of his system was bc of the need to bring the case up in every post when we're discussing where Vick might go. It happened, it's over, new topic. For the record, without getting into everything all over again, I agree with you.

[hotboyz]

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Hey deaduck, my comments weren't directed at you at all. But I can understand why you'd group yourself given the message. I've said the same thing whenever anyone started posting details of the case and their strong (they're always strong) feelings about Vick as a person bc of them. It derails every Vick thread, and the thread is then quickly locked... literally every single time. I completely understand why you'd reply to the guy. Just trying to cut it off before more people take the thread completely off track and this one gets locked too. My guess is that's why anyone that was in all of the older discussions usually ignore posts about the case (see PPM's post earlier in this thread in response to the same guy I think... but like you said, you wouldn't know that bc you weren't here).

My comment about getting it out of his system was bc of the need to bring the case up in every post when we're discussing where Vick might go. It happened, it's over, new topic. For the record, without getting into everything all over again, I agree with you.

damnnnnnn this thread IS HEATED UP!!!!!!!!!

[Titan2810]

Re: Michael Vick Discussion Thread

A friend of mine with ESPN Insider showed me that there are only four teams who are interseted in him. Titans, Baltimore, Green Bay, and the Chiefs. Interseting.

[hotboyz]

Re: Michael Vick Discussion Thread

A friend of mine with ESPN Insider showed me that there are only four teams who are interseted in him. Titans, Baltimore, Green Bay, and the Chiefs. Interseting.

New England Patriots?