NFL Off Topic

[jeremym480]

I think you should change your name to Vick's Dog

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[iAM-IncReDiBLe-]

Off the top of my head the Chiefs, Cards, Vikings an Jags are where Vick could easily start.

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[N51_rob]

Re: NFL Off Topic 2012

Pretty much there are 32 teams in the NFL only 25 or so have starting quarterbacks. Several are QBed by career back-ups. Mike Vick will be okay.

[MLakes]

Re: NFL Off Topic 2012

I'm sure, but he gets a chance to prove us wrong.

Hey, sorry you think I'm spamming. I wasn't really sure where else to ask. Was just looking to see if anyone's ever done a cruise like this before. I know someone else thought I'm trying to spam/scam because I can't post a link. Just wanted another football fans opinion and thought I could show you what I was talking about.

Thanks for any insight you have!

Mark

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Re: NFL Off Topic 2012

By the way, if Michael Vick is a starter on Opening Day next year, and it is not because of an injury, I will change my avatar to whatever you guys want me to as long as is is acceptable on OS. Save this post


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Of course this should be the avatar:

[rangerrick012]

Bills, Browns (if they give up on Weeden that quickly?), Cardinals, Chiefs (should draft a young qb but will they start him?), Jets, Jaguars, Raiders, Rams (will they give up on Sam?), Titans (Locker?), Vikings. That's 10 teams that i see in the market for either a starter or viable backup, and even then you have to consider teams drafting rookies or already having young qbs.

Would a team take Vick starting over giving a young qb a shot? Or over guys like Palmer, Smith, Fitz who'll also likely be looking for jobs? Its not a lock in any case.

[wwharton]

Re: NFL Off Topic 2012

Hey, sorry you think I'm spamming. I wasn't really sure where else to ask. Was just looking to see if anyone's ever done a cruise like this before. I know someone else thought I'm trying to spam/scam because I can't post a link. Just wanted another football fans opinion and thought I could show you what I was talking about.

Thanks for any insight you have!

Mark

That's why you got a chance to prove us wrong. Welcome to the site. You posted it in the right place but the potential for spam is why no links are allowed. No problem with asking the question.

Bills, Browns (if they give up on Weeden that quickly?), Cardinals, Chiefs (should draft a young qb but will they start him?), Jets, Jaguars, Raiders, Rams (will they give up on Sam?), Titans (Locker?), Vikings. That's 10 teams that i see in the market for either a starter or viable backup, and even then you have to consider teams drafting rookies or already having young qbs.

Would a team take Vick starting over giving a young qb a shot? Or over guys like Palmer, Smith, Fitz who'll also likely be looking for jobs? Its not a lock in any case.

Weeden is playing great for the Browns. Sam is also playing great for the Rams. Their issues are definitely NOT at QB. The Raiders have what they'd get from Vick in Palmer, who's also a home town boy they just gave up a ton to get. I think an argument can be made for the other teams you listed.

[rangerrick012]

Agree about Sam and Weeden, that's why i put those guys as questionable. Palmer i mentioned because he's set to make Brady type money next year and obviously isn't worth that much.

He'll be gone if he doesn't take a paycut, and Mckenzie/Allen didn't make that trade you speak of and have no reason to hold onto Palmer if he isn't performing up to his contract. Palmer isn't the Raiders main problem, this team is years away from contending. Knowing that and the fact that there isn't an elite qb in this draft from what it seems, they could cut Palmer and bring in Vick for cheap to try and fill seats and be a lame duck until they get a qb of the future. Not saying it will happen, especially if Palmer does take the paycut.

Plus saying Palmer will stay bc he's a hometown boy is as faulty as saying Lebron would for the same reason. If the money isn't right, on either side, then ties will be severed.

[wwharton]

Re: NFL Off Topic 2012

Agree about Sam and Weeden, that's why i put those guys as questionable. Palmer i mentioned because he's set to make Brady type money next year and obviously isn't worth that much.

He'll be gone if he doesn't take a paycut, and Mckenzie/Allen didn't make that trade you speak of and have no reason to hold onto Palmer if he isn't performing up to his contract. Palmer isn't the Raiders main problem, this team is years away from contending. Knowing that and the fact that there isn't an elite qb in this draft from what it seems, they could cut Palmer and bring in Vick for cheap to try and fill seats and be a lame duck until they get a qb of the future. Not saying it will happen, especially if Palmer does take the paycut.

Plus saying Palmer will stay bc he's a hometown boy is as faulty as saying Lebron would for the same reason. If the money isn't right, on either side, then ties will be severed.

Actually you're looking at it from the wrong angle but the Lebron thing is still a bad example. One is working on being a top player in the history of his sport, knowing his legacy will be tied to winning a championship... but he was in Cleveland. The other is on the tail end of a solid career that was spent with ups and downs in Cincy and now back in California where he's from. But the point is he has a fan base out there (I'm looking at it from the angle of the Raiders and their fans, not Palmer). He wasn't a splash signing for a championship but he's still a very good QB who people from the area have known since high school. I'm sure that's why they got Leinart to go behind him as well (who I think they'd make the stopgap if they were worried about paying Palmer). Even if they wanted a Vick type, I think they'd use Pryor as the stop gap.

Vick brings them nothing they don't already have. Compared to Palmer, he doesn't bring them closer to a championship and wouldn't fill any more seats. Compared to Pryor he should be a better player but we're talking about a stop gap so they'd go with the younger and cheaper option.

[rangerrick012]

Re: NFL Off Topic 2012

That is true but the main point remains - if Palmer doesn't take the pay cut he'll be gone. That was the main reason why I speculated about him in the first place. If course if he takes the pay cut he'll stay as a transitional QB, but if not then he'll be gone.

Him being from Cali won't change the price tag he's currently slated to get next year, and McKenzie didn't trade for him. The draft picks are a lost cause now, no reason to hold onto him to merit a trade that has no chance of living up to what it was made for. Pryor? lol. Depending on the price, Vick would certainly merit a look at that point is all I was saying. Is it likely? No, but is it possible? Yes, and that's why I listed it.

[wwharton]

Re: NFL Off Topic 2012

That is true but the main point remains - if Palmer doesn't take the pay cut he'll be gone. That was the main reason why I speculated about him in the first place. If course if he takes the pay cut he'll stay as a transitional QB, but if not then he'll be gone. Him being from Cali won't change the price tag he's currently slated to get next year, and McKenzie didn't trade for him. The draft picks are a lost cause now, no reason to hold onto him to merit a trade that has no chance of living up to what it was made for. Pryor? lol. Depending on the price, Vick would certainly merit a look at that point is all I was saying.

All of that is certainly true too. I just don't see them turning to Vick if that's the case. Vick's not coming for a bag of peanuts. That happened in Philly bc he was just out of jail and wanted anyone to give him a chance. Considering what he's making, I could see him waiting it out a bit (like Palmer did) before taking a huge pay cut to play for a non-contender. That's where Pryor comes in. The Raiders aren't going to throw a ton of money at Vick... it just wouldn't make sense. They might as well see what potential they have in home town boy Leinart or exciting double threat Pryor if they're going the stop gap route. Otherwise, it'll be some other bleh player like they did up until getting Palmer. At the end of the day, they'll be looking at the draft so Vick really wouldn't factor no matter how we look at it.

[jth1331]

Re: NFL Off Topic 2012

I still laugh at that Carson Palmer trade.
Good job Oakland trading a lot for an average QB that didn't end up doing jack squat for you guys.

[Feared]

Re: NFL Off Topic 2012

Off the top of my head the Chiefs, Cards, Vikings an Jags are where Vick could easily start.

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I could definitely see Vick on the Cards, or Jags next season.

Cards aren't going anywhere with Skelton, or Lindley and giving Kolb that contract looks like a giant flop now. Maybe they gamble on another Eagles QB?

With Jacksonville it seems like they want to give Gabbert more time, but if the GM, and Mularkey are out I can see the next regime wanting to start over fresh and Vick would fill the seats, and be the face of the franchise they've been missing.

[iAM-IncReDiBLe-]

I still laugh at that Carson Palmer trade.
Good job Oakland trading a lot for an average QB that didn't end up doing jack squat for you guys.

Its hard to do anything when the rest of your team is thrash an your best player is always hurt.

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[ubernoob]

Its hard to do anything when the rest of your team is thrash an your best player is always hurt.

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Palmer is such a bipolar quarterback. Even if he had an amazing team around him he'd still only be average.

He hasn't been the same since he got wrecked

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