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[Gman 18]

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The thing is, Adele while she has a mass appeal isn't exactly the same as your typical mass appeal/oldie act they've been trotting out lately. Pepsi and the NFL couldn't pull her to the Dark Side LOL

For a mainstream artist, Adele ain't bad. I have yet to even watch a superbowl half time show, but if I saw her performing I wouldn't really mind it. Given, her music doesn't pertain to football AT ALL, but it is pretty much a known fact that the NFL intentionally tries to get these " pop/soft rock " artists with mass appeal each year to lure non-football watchers to at least tune in to the half-time show, to boost ratings of course.

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[rkwittem]

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Speaking of Bills and the Off Topic thread....Colin Cowherd has incurred the wrath of Bills backers everywhere with his twitter war in regards to Tyrod Taylor LOL

So what? He's spot-on.

Even with the opt-out included, they were bidding against themselves. That's not exactly a hallmark of brilliant team management.

[SPTO]

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So what? He's spot-on.

Even with the opt-out included, they were bidding against themselves. That's not exactly a hallmark of brilliant team management.

As stated above it's basically a one year deal where Tyrod has to prove himself and even if the Bills pick up the option he isn't in the top 10 of QBs in terms of salary. I think it's actually a pretty good contract in terms of having incentive and risk for both parties involved.

[TracerBullet]

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Dolphins' football will now be coming from Hard Rock Stadium.

[slickdtc]

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The alternative is he plays this year and A) kills it and demands much higher then the 15M per average or B) he tanks and we move on.

With the team option, we get our cake and eat it too. He tanks, we move on. He kills it, and we have him locked up at a bargain rate for the production. And he's getting paid to be the QB he was this season, which was on the cusp of the top 10. (Not to mention his rushing totals were only eclipsed by the MVP, Cam Newton). We didn't sign him to become Brady or Newton. We signed him to keep up his production, which if you've followed Taylor you'd know he's never regressed in a season. Not to mention the rave reviews he's getting off the field. He's got that 6th round pick mentality just like Mr. Brady.

The only way this turns out badly is if he's just okay (or injuries) and we have to determine if he's worth the money going forward. But to fault a team that's been QB-starved for 20 years locking up a player to a team friendly contract... what exactly were we supposed to do?

Same people would be laughing at us in a year's time had we not done this now and then had to pony up close to 20M like the Redskins with Kirk Cousins. Can't win, on the field or off. Ha.

[SPTO]

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Dolphins' football will now be coming from Hard Rock Stadium.

I can't wait til the first blowout loss and you KNOW some headline writer will put "Dolphins rocked hard by (insert team here) in a (score here) rout"

[Jr.]

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Dolphins' football will now be coming from Hard Rock Stadium.

And I think the only bid for the Broncos stadium is still by a weed company.

[rkwittem]

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The only way this turns out badly is if he's just okay (or injuries) and we have to determine if he's worth the money going forward. But to fault a team that's been QB-starved for 20 years locking up a player to a team friendly contract... what exactly were we supposed to do?

Maybe wait until there's more data to see if he's good or not instead of paying up based on part of a year?

[slickdtc]

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He played 14 games last year, it wasn't just part of a season. And he was electric pretty much every game. He singlehandedly beat Tennessee, on a sprained MCL nonetheless.

The Bills designed the contract to basically have this be a prove it year. We can cut ties with him next year without being on the hook for mad money, or could pick up the rest of his contract for a manageable number. A number we wouldn't be able to negotiate down to if he has another really good year.

We're essentially doing what you said, actually paying him in years 2-6 of this deal if he goes out and shows he deserves it this season. Plus, we don't expose him to free agency. Imagine him going out and putting up 25 TD/10 INT with some rushing yards and TD's to boot... and then being a FA? It'd be a feeding frenzy. Good QB's don't hit free agency. They just don't.

The only way this turns in to an albatross is if he turns in to Colin Kaepernick. That's a team friendly deal scenario gone sour.

[kehlis]

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Maybe wait until there's more data to see if he's good or not instead of paying up based on part of a year?

Signing him to a team friendly deal that they can end after one year rather than have him bolt to a team in the offseason if he has a great year is a fantastic route to go.

Look at Osweiler getting the deal he got after playing less time. The Broncos weren't planning on him leaving and I'll be anything they wish they would have done a deal like this before last year.

[rkwittem]

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He played 14 games last year, it wasn't just part of a season. And he was electric pretty much every game. He singlehandedly beat Tennessee, on a sprained MCL nonetheless.

The Bills designed the contract to basically have this be a prove it year. We can cut ties with him next year without being on the hook for mad money, or could pick up the rest of his contract for a manageable number. A number we wouldn't be able to negotiate down to if he has another really good year.

We're essentially doing what you said, actually paying him in years 2-6 of this deal if he goes out and shows he deserves it this season. Plus, we don't expose him to free agency. Imagine him going out and putting up 25 TD/10 INT with some rushing yards and TD's to boot... and then being a FA? It'd be a feeding frenzy. Good QB's don't hit free agency. They just don't.

The only way this turns in to an albatross is if he turns in to Colin Kaepernick. That's a team friendly deal scenario gone sour.

1. 14 games is part of a season. Maybe that's nit-picking but he doesn't have a whole year of performance to base a contract on. His first extended run of PT and he couldn't stay healthy and a large part of his value is derived from running? What could go wrong? QB rush yards do not interest me. This isn't college football.

2. Nobody in the NFL single-handedly beats anyone and if they did, beating a bad Tennessee team is not the example I would prefer to use.

3. 25/10 with modest pass numbers is basically Ryan Fitzpatrick, and he was on the market for the same price as Tyrod Taylor. If you want a good QB, stop wasting high picks on luxury picks like Sammy Watkins and spend some capital to get one in the draft.

Signing him to a team friendly deal that they can end after one year rather than have him bolt to a team in the offseason if he has a great year is a fantastic route to go.

Look at Osweiler getting the deal he got after playing less time. The Broncos weren't planning on him leaving and I'll be anything they wish they would have done a deal like this before last year.

Yeah and what if he doesn't tank but doesn't excel either? (Or gets injured) He was already under contract for this year, what's the rush?

If you're so worried, slap the franchise tag on him after 16 and see what happens. This is why you don't extend marginal players or players with small sample size to extensions in August. The Denver situation is very different from Buffalo's.

[Hooe]

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Yeah and what if he doesn't tank but doesn't excel either? (Or gets injured) He was already under contract for this year, what's the rush?

If you're so worried, slap the franchise tag on him after 16 and see what happens. This is why you don't extend marginal players or players with small sample size to extensions in August. The Denver situation is very different from Buffalo's.

1 - "doesn't tank but doesn't excel" is better than at least 80% of the entire population of quarterbacks in the NFL. Tyrod is better than Ryan Fitzpatrick, and he's an ascending player. He's also far better than any of the remaining free agent options available - Charlie Whitehurst, Michael Vick, Tarvaris Jackson, etc.

2 - If the Bills don't lock Tyrod up, some other quarterback-needy team will. As a point of comparison, Brock Osweiller just got $70M on the open market and will have a larger cap hit than Tyrod every year of his contract, and he got that with a far less impressive resumé. Tyrod was poised to make bank on the open market as long as he played at least okay. Regardless what you feel about his skill level, that's what the market for quarterbacks is in the NFL. At best, the Bills retain him at a much higher price tag in this scenario.

3 - the franchise tag for quarterbacks in 2017 is going to be north of $20M (it will be north of whatever Kirk Cousins is making this year, which is basically $20M). The Bills save money by signing Tyrod now, which affords them more cap space to put better pieces around him next season.

4 - Joe Flacco played a "prove-it" year, won the Super Bowl, then basically held the Ravens by the short hairs and forced the team to give him (at the time) the most valuable contract in NFL history. That move has in part forced the Ravens to move on from some really good players. Signing Tyrod now avoids the possibility of that situation. As a point of reference, Tyrod's 2017 cap hit is reported at $15.9M by Spotrac. Flacco sits at $24.5M. Is Flacco that much better than Tyrod? By rings, sure, but we both know rings don't make the quarterback.

[l3ulvl]

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I don't want to get into a big thing but how was Sammy W a luxury pick? It's not like Buffalo was stacked at WR, and the next QB off the board following that pick was Manziel.

[Hooe]

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I don't want to get into a big thing but how was Sammy W a luxury pick? It's not like Buffalo was stacked at WR, and the next QB off the board following that pick was Manziel.

If my memory serves me correctly, the Sammy Watkins draft pick at the time of drafting was widely regarded as a purely need-based selection for the Bills. The Bills had just parted ways with Stevie Johnson at the time, and they would have had Robert Woods and who knows what else at the position behind him.

I believe the Bills' media also tried to sell it as a "best available player" pick to justify the trade-up cost, which to be honest wasn't totally off-base at the time.

[rkwittem]

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I don't want to get into a big thing but how was Sammy W a luxury pick? It's not like Buffalo was stacked at WR, and the next QB off the board following that pick was Manziel.

Name the last elite team built around its WR corps. Football is like baseball in this regard- build up the middle at premium positions and fill in the periphery and weaker points later. Not a perfect analogy but there are premium positions in the NFL too and WR is not one of them. WRs don't win you games. They are completely dependent on 2, maybe 3 if you're keen on play action, separate skill groups on offense to be proficient. If you don't have the QB, getting an elite WR is like buying a sports car when you have 3 kids and bills to pay.

That's why I don't care for drafting a WR that high unless you've dotted your i's and crossed your t's like the Raiders had before they grabbed Amari Cooper or the Falcons when they went after Julio Jones.