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[areobee401]

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I won't deny what Revis did is illegal. At the same I won't hold what he did against him. What type of weirdo fanboy follows someone down the street recording them? Say what's up, dap him up and keep it moving.

[PeoplesChampGB]

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I won't deny what Revis did is illegal. At the same I won't hold what he did against him. What type of weirdo fanboy follows someone down the street recording them? Say what's up, dap him up and keep it moving.

Me neither. Same as if the actual press was doing it and they got decked. At the same time, you have to follow the law or there are consequences. Legally, if they were standing on the street and he had his curtains open in his house, they could videotape him in that scenario too. There are always going to be knuckleheads that "troll" their rights, but taking them away would have a far more negative impact on society.

[SPTO]

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Yeah it seems like technically what Revis did was wrong but he felt like he was being endangered by this weirdo following him around. I can see the NFL being draconian about this depending on what happens legally and it would be a shame IMO. Not everything is black and white.

[wco81]

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I won't deny what Revis did is illegal. At the same I won't hold what he did against him. What type of weirdo fanboy follows someone down the street recording them? Say what's up, dap him up and keep it moving.

He's earned well over $100 million in his career. Usually people with that kind of money has bodyguards to avoid these kinds of altercations.

But why is he hanging in his old hunting grounds? Is it a sketchy area? Another case of a famous athlete going back to the hood?

[coogrfan]

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Because I know we can't get enough of TO talk:

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/patriots/2017/02/borges_supporters_of_terrell_owens_need_to_open_their_fact_books_before_they

This is the time of year when people with too little to say and too much time to say it talk the loudest. It is also the time when those with minimal knowledge but access to a microphone or pen make clear that Abe Lincoln was right many years ago when he said: “Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.”

Which brings me to Terrell Owens and the faux “outrage” of some surrounding his failure to gain entry into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in his second year as a candidate.

To them I say: LaVern Dilweg.

To them I say: Billy Wilson.

To them I say: Billy Howton.

To them I say: Sterling Sharpe.

To them I say: Michael Irvin.

To them I say: Cris Carter.

To them I say: Art Monk.

I could go on, but I’ll leave it at that.

What do the first four have to do with T.O. and his “tragic,” “shameful,” “incredible” two-year wait to reach Canton? They are all still waiting.

Dilweg was considered the best end in pro football history until the arrival of Don Hutson. He retired in 1934. He’s still waiting, T.O.

Wilson led the NFL in receiving three times. He made the Pro Bowl six times. No less a passing expert than Bill Walsh repeatedly said he belonged in the Hall of Fame. He retired in 1960. He’s still waiting, T.O.

When Howton retired he was the NFL’s all-time leader in yardage and receptions, breaking Hutson’s long-held records. Not second. Not third like T.O. The leader. He retired in 1963. He’s still waiting, T.O.

Sharpe was on par with Jerry Rice for most of his career, a five-time All Pro and one of only seven receivers to win receiving’s “triple crown” by leading the league in receptions, yards and touchdowns in the same season. He set the single-season record for receptions in 1992 and broke it a year later. He was forced to retire due to a neck injury in 1994. He’s still waiting, T.O.

Owens’ resume and accomplishments are impressive. Not as impressive as Howton’s at the time he retired or Dilweg’s or a lot of other players who had to wait to gain entry into arguably the most exclusive fraternity in professional team sports, but impressive all the same.

Owens’ “problem” is barely 1 percent of all the players who ever played are in the Hall. News bulletin to the Mike Florios of the world: It’s supposed to be hard to get in. That’s what makes it mean so much when it happens.

So how long has Owens waited? Not as long as Michael Irvin. Not as long as Cris Carter. Not as long as Art Monk. Not as long as Andre Reed or Tim Brown or Bob Hayes or all but a handful of the 32 Hall of Fame receivers in NFL history. In fact, only five receivers have been first ballot Hall of Famers — Jerry Rice, Don Hutson, Lance Alworth, Paul Warfield and Steve Largent. One can quarrel over the last two perhaps (although not if you ever saw Warfield play, which few of those railing about T.O. did), but not the first three.

New York Daily News writer Manish Mehta couldn’t tell you one thing about Billy Howton and wouldn’t know Warfield if he ran into him in an elevator, yet he’s loudly concluded, as others do every year, that “the system is flawed” and must be changed. The best change, of course, would be putting those folks doing the faux kvetching on the committee. Who are they really trying to get in? T.O. or themselves?

Mehta claimed those who voted against Owens did so because they were either old, out of touch or suffered from “lazy thinking.” He cited Owens’ stats but conveniently left one big one out: Owens not only led the NFL in drops once, he finished in the top four in drops seven other seasons during his 15-year career.

To help those suffering from “lazy thinking,” let me help you. That means for more than half the years he played, Terrell Owens was annually among the top four receivers in drops. Sorry, but that’s not my definition of “first-ballot Hall of Famer.”

It is not a reason to exclude him either, but it is a reason for having happened to Terrell Owens what happened the past two years, which is to say more deserving players who in many cases were waiting longer went in ahead of him. It doesn’t mean the door is closed. It means there are annually more worthy candidates than seats.

I’ve heard some critics say, “How could they put in a kicker ahead of T.O.?” Here’s another way to look at it. How could they not put in one of the handful of players in NFL history named first-team All-Decade in two different decades ahead of someone who was first-team All-Decade in no decades?

Some critical of Owens’ failure to yet be inducted also cited some examples of “supporters” of Owens’ induction. One I found particularly amusing was those citing Bill Parcells, who said in a radio interview, “I think I would. I think I would. . . . He certainly was highly productive and did some very remarkable things on the field.”

But he also said in the same interview, “There are things that go unseen by the public, and people watching the games — there are things that happen on the field that, even when they happen, the fans and the laymen do not recognize what happens, and in his case, he was somewhat unreliable in some of the things he would do. Sometimes we’d have a route that was called at 12 (yards) and he’d run it at 9 (yards). Well, that disrupts your quarterback and things like that. But that being said, he still was highly productive and I do think he warrants very, very strong consideration. I’ll be surprised if he doesn’t get in very shortly.”

To that I would add only this: Go look up the definition of lukewarm. After you read it, ask yourself if Parcells’ “endorsement” cries out “injustice.”

Unless you’re a proponent of “lazy thinking,” I’d argue it did not.

Then I’d look up how many times those five receivers who were first-ballot Hall of Famers finished in the top four in drops. After that, you might want to drop your volume a bit on this matter and wait for T.O.’s moment to come, as it rightly will.

[Hassan Darkside]

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He's earned well over $100 million in his career. Usually people with that kind of money has bodyguards to avoid these kinds of altercations.

But why is he hanging in his old hunting grounds? Is it a sketchy area? Another case of a famous athlete going back to the hood?

I agree, why would anyone ever dare to go back home??

[wwharton]

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I don't know Pittsburgh too well, but wouldn't call that area the hood by any stretch of the imagination.

It's a sad day when someone it's looked bad that someone gets famous and still wants to go home. I'm not saying we aren't in that day and age, but still sad.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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He's earned well over $100 million in his career. Usually people with that kind of money has bodyguards to avoid these kinds of altercations.

But why is he hanging in his old hunting grounds? Is it a sketchy area? Another case of a famous athlete going back to the hood?

It happened here on the South Side. The guys followed him for over 10 minutes recording him. After being asked to stop multiple times I would have done the same.


The kids that were attacked will also eventually be charged.


All that said, as a professional you're probably better off not being in the South Side (a college part of Pittsburgh with over 80 bars in close proximity to each other) that late.

Remember, Revis graduated from Pitt so he has ties here.

The answer to your question which was a few pages back.

[wwharton]

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Because I know we can't get enough of TO talk:

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/p...ks_before_they

Longer (and angrier) version of what I was saying.

[kehlis]

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He's earned well over $100 million in his career. Usually people with that kind of money has bodyguards to avoid these kinds of altercations.

But why is he hanging in his old hunting grounds? Is it a sketchy area? Another case of a famous athlete going back to the hood?

No, it is not a sketchy area by any stretch. It's a very family friendly place to be.

The only problem is that the area has the countries highest concentration of bars per block so you can imagine what happens with thousands of drunk college kids and adults after closing time.

The street is routinely patrolled by cops but after last call it turns into a crazy mess with everyone leaving all at once.

[wco81]

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Sometimes home is a **** hole and you're better off not returning. In fact, move your family out of there.

I remember after his rookie year with the Warriors, Jason Richardson went home and was sitting in his car when it was shot at.

Wasn't the case here but some athletes don't escape unharmed, like the Broncos player who was shot and killed outside a night club.

I saw an OTL segment on how the Chicago neighborhood featured in Hoop Dreams had changed since the movie came out. Back then drug dealers protected athletes who were top prospects, like the ones featured in the movie. But that was no longer the case, with some star high school athletes targeted and killed.

If you make it out of the hood and earn millions, maybe don't tempt fate by going back?

[kehlis]

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Sometimes home is a **** hole and you're better off not returning. In fact, move your family out of there.

If you make it out of the hood and earn millions, maybe don't tempt fate by going back?

How many times do I have to tell you the same thing over and over again? That isn't the case with where this happened.

I know you like to make random posts and not read anything else but maybe it's time to start.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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I'd be shocked if that case goes anywhere or if he gets anything more than Probation.


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[kehlis]

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Most of you heard about it, can't remember if it was discussed here or not, but Joey Porter did something similar in the same area and walked out of it with nothing just a few weeks ago.

Can't see the circumstances here being different either.

[wco81]

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How many times do I have to tell you the same thing over and over again? That isn't the case with where this happened.

I know you like to make random posts and not read anything else but maybe it's time to start.

Someone else brought up whether athletes shouldn't go home.

Believe it or not your posts are not the only ones I read ...