NFL Off Topic

[kehlis]

Re: NFL Off Topic

So did he tell them he would show up or not? That question still hasn’t been answered and it’s the only one that matters now because that’ll at least somewhat explain why they reacted like they did so suddenly.

What did AB say?

I mean, I don't think we'll ever know for sure. It's all hearsay at this point. I haven't heard anyone deny that he would show up but I've heard some say he would but that's really all I have to go on at this point.

[steelerfan]

Re: NFL Off Topic

I think what most fans will point to, with Bell, is this tweet in May.

https://steelerswire.usatoday.com/2018/05/14/leveon-bell-tweets-about-his-excitement-to-get-back-on-the-field/

[SPTO]

Re: NFL Off Topic

Getting off of the current NFL talk I have to share this TIL


#TIL when Jerry Rice made his 1000th reception he had more catches than every receiver on the roster of 21 teams in the league at that time. That's just INSANITY.

[TheMatrix31]

Re: NFL Off Topic

Meanwhile, while the whine flows in Pittsburgh, David Johnson comes in and signs an entirely reasonable, 3 year 39 million dollar contract with 30 mil guaranteed.

Good for him and good for the Cardinals.

[kehlis]

Re: NFL Off Topic

Meanwhile, while the whine flows in Pittsburgh, David Johnson comes in and signs an entirely reasonable, 3 year 39 million dollar contract with 30 mil guaranteed.

Good for him and good for the Cardinals.

Not comparable situations.

[Hooe]

Re: NFL Off Topic

Not comparable situations.

Yup. David Johnson is returning from a severe knee injury this year, which is exactly what Bell is seeking to avoid as to maximize his market value.

I've got no issue with Bell using every bit of leverage he has at his disposal to maximize his salary, regardless how many feathers it ruffles.

[slickdtc]

Re: NFL Off Topic

Johnson broke his wrist. Big difference ha.

I think the situations are comparable, just handled in different ways. Both guys get insane usage from their teams. Each have had some injuries that took them out of the majority of a season.

I think Bell is looking to set the market, whereas Johnson doesn’t care and is playing within the current parameters of it. The thing that jumped out to me was 30 of 39M guaranteed. That’s a large %. Johnson probably wants to make his money while he’s here, where Bell wants to make a lot of money over a longer period of time.

I venture to guess Johnson’s thinking wins out. Sacrifice the length for guaranteed money now.

[kehlis]

Re: NFL Off Topic

I think the situations are comparable, just handled in different ways.

They aren't at all though.

Johnson held out under contract. Their dispute could be ended at any point by either side.

That's vastly different from a player holding out from playing under the tag. The Steelers can't do anything at this point with regards to negotiating his contract so they have zero control of making him happy. Bell is intentionally losing money to make a point since there is nothing the Steelers can do at this point to make him happy.

Right now he's holding out on his own accord (perfectly fine by me) but you can't compare this to someone holding out under contract.

They are very different situations.

[Jr.]

Re: NFL Off Topic

They aren't at all though.

Johnson held out under contract. Their dispute could be ended at any point by either side.

That's vastly different from a player holding out from playing under the tag. The Steelers can't do anything at this point with regards to negotiating his contract so they have zero control of making him happy. Bell is intentionally losing money to make a point since there is nothing the Steelers can do at this point to make him happy.

Right now he's holding out on his own accord (perfectly fine by me) but you can't compare this to someone holding out under contract.

They are very different situations.

Specifically, no they're not the same. But the premise is the same. Both players wanted more money. Bell only received the franchise tag because he wouldn't sign an extension. Johnson signed his extension.

[kehlis]

Re: NFL Off Topic

Specifically, no they're not the same. But the premise is the same. Both players wanted more money. Bell only received the franchise tag because he wouldn't sign an extension. Johnson signed his extension.

Once the extension to sign Bell passed, the Steelers had no leverage. The Cardinals could have traded Johnson at any time.

That's a pretty big difference to me, one team could trade and get something back, the other has no options.


To clarify, I DO understand that the Steelers can trade him, but with the other team not being able to negotiate a contract until next season, that seems pretty far fetched and unrealistic for the return they would want.

[ProfessaPackMan]

NFL Off Topic

............

[Jr.]

Re: NFL Off Topic

Once the extension to sign Bell passed, the Steelers had no leverage. The Cardinals could have traded Johnson at any time.

That's a pretty big difference to me, one team could trade and get something back, the other has no options.


To clarify, I DO understand that the Steelers can trade him, but with the other team not being able to negotiate a contract until next season, that seems pretty far fetched and unrealistic for the return they would want.

Bell is just longer in the timeline of contract negotiations and holding out. David Johnson could have gone the same route down the road. He decided to sign now, instead. That's the difference. Had Bell signed 2 years ago, he would've done what Johnson did now.

[kehlis]

Re: NFL Off Topic

Bell is just longer in the timeline of contract negotiations and holding out. David Johnson could have gone the same route down the road. He decided to sign now, instead. That's the difference. Had Bell signed 2 years ago, he would've done what Johnson did now.

I mean, I don't disagree but I don't really see how that's relevant today?

This could have been resolved two months ago but wasn't, I wasn't talking about anything that happened in the past.

[Jr.]

Re: NFL Off Topic

I mean, I don't disagree but I don't really see how that's relevant today?

This could have been resolved two months ago but wasn't, I wasn't talking about anything that happened in the past.

Well that's where these two situations are similar. So you're just talking about something different than the original post was referencing.

[kehlis]

Re: NFL Off Topic

Well that's where these two situations are similar. So you're just talking about something different than the original post was referencing.

Huh?

This was the original post I responded to:

Meanwhile, while the whine flows in Pittsburgh, David Johnson comes in and signs an entirely reasonable, 3 year 39 million dollar contract with 30 mil guaranteed.

Good for him and good for the Cardinals.

I simply said they aren't comparable situations and as you laid out in your last post, they literally aren't. Nothing in this OP references anything specific.

That was my only point. I never brought up injuries or anything about that at all.