NFL Off Topic

[areobee401]

Re: NFL Off Topic 2012

So i hear that there is a big fiasco over the Redskin's team name; as it may be a derogatory and/or politically incorrect term.

I read that some DC based media outlets have stopped using the 'Redskins' name and substituted 'Pigskins' instead.

How do you guys feel about this? I know its tradition for the franchise but I can understand if a culture in this country is upset and are against it. I dont think they change it anytime soon but i'd like to start up the Bandwagon for The Washington Bobs.

Issues involving the Redskins name or logo have been around for as long if not longer than I have been on this earth. Nothing new.

[ImTellinTim]

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Actually believe or not, despite Harvin's impressive stats when AD when down, he still wasn't the focal point of the offense.

In week 13, Devin Aromashodu was in on 77 snaps vs Harvin's 52 snaps and in week 14, Aromashodu played in 80 snaps, Greg Camarillo was in on 59 snaps, and Harvin had 57 snaps.

I'm not sure how Percy Harvin is being used this year, but you could say he was being underutilized in seasons past.

Harvin was pretty dinged up last year IIRC. If there's any knock against him, that might be it.

[jmood88]

Re: NFL Off Topic 2012

So i hear that there is a big fiasco over the Redskin's team name; as it may be a derogatory and/or politically incorrect term.

I read that some DC based media outlets have stopped using the 'Redskins' name and substituted 'Pigskins' instead.

How do you guys feel about this? I know its tradition for the franchise but I can understand if a culture in this country is upset and are against it. I dont think they change it anytime soon but i'd like to start up the Bandwagon for The Washington Bobs.

People have disliked their name for awhile but this is the first I've heard of any media people not using it.

[kingkilla56]

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Snap count doesnt paint the whole picture. Not by a long shot.

Edit: This is about the Percy snap count post...

[ThePPL]

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Harvin was pretty dinged up last year IIRC. If there's any knock against him, that might be it.

Good point. Those issues he had with migraines, a rib injury, an odd illness, and a torn ligament in his finger had caused him to miss valuable reps in practice which would likely lower his snap opportunities.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Push: Speed, Return Ability, End Around Impact, Open Field Impact

Harvin Edge: Route Running, Receiving Impact, Power Running (Harvin can line up at H-back in the I and be effective), Blocking

Harvin outperforms Cobb even though the defense has to key on him on every play he's on the field. Cobb makes cameos in the passing game as 2 or 3 other than him have to be accounted for. The QB throwing the ball to each player isn't a contest.

Give me Harvin and it isn't close. He's a far more complete football player than Cobb could ever dream of being.

PS - It makes me sick to be defending Vikings players against Packers players. What are you doing to me Pack?!

To be fair, neither of their route running/receiving abilities are anything to brag about right now but at the sametime that was to be expected since both of them were drafted to do more than just play WR. But it's not like either one of them are drawing double/triple teams on a consistent basis since they move around so much.

You bring up blocking and how Harvin lines up in the backfield(which McCarthy has started to do with Cobb, although not as frequent as the Vikings do with Harvin)as the H-Back but it's not like he's playing the lead blocker or clearing a path for AP(which depending on the team, is how they use the H-Back for the most part)so I can't really judge either of their blocking skills or give one an advantage over the other. I'll give him the edge in Power Running because I've seen him do that at both the College and Pro levels.

I'm not saying that Cobb outperforms Harvin at all. Would be ridiculous of me to even say that considering Harvin is on the field probably 90-95% of the time while Cobb is barely on the field 50% of the time. I just disagree with the notion that the gap between the two is that wide or that Cobb will never be as good as Harvin is. At least right now.

I'll say this though: If you remove Harvin from the Vikings WR core, that will HURT their Offense as teams will just put 9 in the box for AP as opposed to 6-7 in the box . And if you remove Cobb from KR/PR, that will HURT their Special Teams.

In short, Harvin is more important to the Vikings in what they do than Cobb is important to the Pack in what they do.

[ImTellinTim]

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I'm sorry, I used the wrong term there. I meant he sometimes lines up as the primary running back behind a fullback instead of Gerhart as a different look.

[Chrisksaint]

Re: NFL Off Topic 2012

So i hear that there is a big fiasco over the Redskin's team name; as it may be a derogatory and/or politically incorrect term.

I read that some DC based media outlets have stopped using the 'Redskins' name and substituted 'Pigskins' instead.

How do you guys feel about this? I know its tradition for the franchise but I can understand if a culture in this country is upset and are against it. I dont think they change it anytime soon but i'd like to start up the Bandwagon for The Washington Bobs.

I know at FSU there were problems with having Renegade as their mascot or whatever a few years ago from the Seminole tribes, but I think they settled on having a class that teaches their history(which I actually took) and something else.

However the Redskins are in a different situation that's their actual name that can be considered incorrect not just a mascot,etc.

[JODYE]

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The fact someone is really bitching about that and take it as disrespect is absolutely ridiculous.

Pretty sure the Native Americans were the ones to actually come up with that term. Smfh.

What's next? PETA whining about animal team names? Jesus. Shut up.

[SPTO]

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The fact that they really bitch about that and take it as disrespect is absolutely ridiculous.

Pretty sure the Native Americans were the ones to actually come up with that term. Smfh.

What's next? PETA whining about animal team names? Jesus. Shut up.

While I feel most talk about the Native American team names etc etc are PC talking points I feel a bit differently about the Redskins name. The team was owned by a guy who was a certified racist and hence the name from the very beginning had racist overtones to it. That has lessened a lot over the years but I can understand the POV of some people on that name.

Now the Cleveland Indians being yelled at for having that as their name is completely different but at least they went and erased the goofy Indian on their hat. I think there's room for a bit of give and take and the Indians situation is a perfect example. I don't like that many college programs have had to change their identities because of these kind of protests etc etc.

[kingkilla56]

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The fact that they really bitch about that and take it as disrespect is absolutely ridiculous.

Pretty sure the Native Americans were the ones to actually come up with that term. Smfh.

What's next? PETA whining about animal team names? Jesus. Shut up.

I dont think that was a very good analogy.

[JODYE]

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Wasn't supposed to be an analogy. Was evaluating the oversensitivity people have now a days.

Thank you for your contribution. Smfh.

[JODYE]

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While I feel most talk about the Native American team names etc etc are PC talking points I feel a bit differently about the Redskins name. The team was owned by a guy who was a certified racist and hence the name from the very beginning had racist overtones to it. That has lessened a lot over the years but I can understand the POV of some people on that name.

Now the Cleveland Indians being yelled at for having that as their name is completely different but at least they went and erased the goofy Indian on their hat. I think there's room for a bit of give and take and the Indians situation is a perfect example. I don't like that many college programs have had to change their identities because of these kind of protests etc etc.

The former might have been the case, but I can assume that we are far removed from that racial prejudice that occurred in like the 30s lol

Have never met anyone in my life that have been racist towards Native Americans. My grandfather is 1/4th Native American and I've never heard him once have any issue with the Redskins name.

It's like ok, it's been around 70 years. Think it's time to let it go.

[wwharton]

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As someone else mentioned, AP broke records w/ the likes of Gus Ferotte (sp?) and T. Jackson at QB. Gonna take a little more than half a season to convince me Harvin is anywhere near as valuable as AP

It's been much more than half a season. You just haven't noticed. His migraines and injuries probably contributed to that.

Are you sure about this now or are you forgetting about 2009, when at that time Sidney Rice was just as good as any of those WRs, if not better than that group.

Sure he's never had a young MVP QB in his prime, but it is a bit dishonest to say he's never played with a WR as good as ours were in his career.

It's insulting to Jennings and Nelson that anyone would mention Sidney Rice as if he were on their level. Dude's just not that good and never has been. He put up stats running deep with Favre behind center. He really hasn't done anything else. But we're talking about Harvin. He had serious migraine issues that limited his snaps, even during times he was ready to play they took it very easy. Not to mention we're talking about what happened in 2009 today? I can't speak for everyone but I said Cobb is a bad comparison now because he hasn't had the opportunity to prove he can do everything Harvin is doing. But that doesn't change everything that Harvin is doing. He's among the best in the league when he lines up as a returner, WR and even in the back field. Cobb we're talking about potential. Harvin, we're talking about what is actually happening.

So i hear that there is a big fiasco over the Redskin's team name; as it may be a derogatory and/or politically incorrect term.

I read that some DC based media outlets have stopped using the 'Redskins' name and substituted 'Pigskins' instead.

How do you guys feel about this? I know its tradition for the franchise but I can understand if a culture in this country is upset and are against it. I dont think they change it anytime soon but i'd like to start up the Bandwagon for The Washington Bobs.

Non-story. The name has come into question for decades. Some paper (I think in Wisconsin) decided to start calling them the pigskins instead. A local paper took that chance to grab some headlines. They put a poll out of what the name should be with ideas like the "Bammas" and the "Washingtons" and the "Monuments." No reason to take any of this seriously.

Actually believe or not, despite Harvin's impressive stats when AD when down, he still wasn't the focal point of the offense.

In week 13, Devin Aromashodu was in on 77 snaps vs Harvin's 52 snaps and in week 14, Aromashodu played in 80 snaps, Greg Camarillo was in on 59 snaps, and Harvin had 57 snaps.

I'm not sure how Percy Harvin is being used this year, but you could say he was being underutilized in seasons past.

That was when he had serious, potential career threatening migraine issues.

The fact that they really bitch about that and take it as disrespect is absolutely ridiculous.

Pretty sure the Native Americans were the ones to actually come up with that term. Smfh.

What's next? PETA whining about animal team names? Jesus. Shut up.

This statement couldn't be more ignorant. And honestly, discussion of this should stop right here as I'd have to ban myself bc it gets in to things against the TOS.

[wwharton]

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The former might have been the case, but I can assume that we are far removed from that racial prejudice that occurred in like the 30s lol

Have never met anyone in my life that have been racist towards Native Americans.

It's like ok, it's been around 70 years. Think it's time to let it go lol

We're not as far removed as you may think. YOU clearly don't understand as this doesn't relate to you. Instead of criticizing and mocking those that are effected and have a certain feeling about it, you should just let them deal with it.