NFL Off Topic

[NYJetsfan]

Re: NFL Off Topic 2012

My initial response was to you saying "it's the truth" which, in and of itself is claiming that it's fact when it's far from that. PPM commented on it too, but was smarter than me and left it alone at that point. I wouldn't argue with the thought that he was the best defender in the league... but I don't agree. Many others don't agree either, including many that know a lot more about it than you or me. That alone keeps it from being fact or "the truth".

To be completely honest, my comment was more of a jab at Packers fans, than it was me claiming that my comment was set in stone. I thought it was clear, obviously it wasn't. Interwebz fail. I obviously can't say it's fact, he didn't win. I'm smart enough to know the difference.

[wwharton]

Re: NFL Off Topic 2012

To be completely honest, my comment was more of a jab at Packers fans, than it was me claiming that my comment was set in stone. I thought it was clear, obviously it wasn't. Interwebz fail. I obviously can't say it's fact, he didn't win. I'm smart enough to know the difference.

Fair enough... long work day, I shouldn't have taken this so far off track.

[NYJetsfan]

Re: NFL Off Topic 2012

So just to get this train back on track...

What do you guys think Revis could bring back in a trade? Obviously the injury hurts, as does the contract headaches he brings. But the other side shows that the Colts traded for Vontae Davis for a 2nd rounder, of whom I have a lower opinion of (but shows there's a market for CBs). The contract thing may not be an issue IMO, as there's teams out there like the Tampa who have massive cap space and obviously have the need for some help in the secondary.

Thoughts?

[NYJets]

Re: NFL Off Topic 2012

Ughh, had a pretty long post typed out but then my computer froze.

But sort of like wwharton said I don't get the fascination over the term shutdown corner. It's just some flashy media term that lots of positions in lots of sports have. He's been the best cover corner in the league for the last few seasons. Call it what you want.

As far as value of him vs. the top player at other positions on defense, I don't know how you even measure that. It depends on matchups. Against some offenses I'd rather the best pass rusher, some I'd rather the best NT, some the best MLB, etc. At the end of the day he's one guy.

For the Jets, sure in their situation if they could get some good draft picks for him and could get some young cheaper players to upgrade multiple positions, it would make sense to trade him. That's not going to happen. I'd rather just keep him and see what happens next offseason.

[cjonesfan921]

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Revis is never ok with his contracts because he is in a perpetual state of feeling that his worth is always increasing exponentially.

Idk what team is willing to deal with this guy's contract issues. He wants 16 mill next year and will hold out the following year to get 20 million because thats how he works.

My take on this, it was reported after the first hold out(where everyone was on his side) that the Jets GM/Ownership told him this is just to hold you over before we work on a better deal when he next held out. If that's the case, I see his point. He outplayed that contract and was promised another one, ownership/powers-that-be didn't come through.

As for the 16mil per year, if he comes back and plays the way he did before, he will get 16 mil, easy.

[wwharton]

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My take on this, it was reported after the first hold out(where everyone was on his side) that the Jets GM/Ownership told him this is just to hold you over before we work on a better deal when he next held out. If that's the case, I see his point. He outplayed that contract and was promised another one, ownership/powers-that-be didn't come through.

As for the 16mil per year, if he comes back and plays the way he did before, he will get 16 mil, easy.

I may be "misremembering" but I thought there was another period in there and today would be him feeling he's outplayed THAT contract as well.

I also don't know the salary breakdown of corners to agree/disagree with him making 16M "easily". Does anyone know what corners/dbs are going for? What'd Aso get from the Eagles? What was Champ's last salary? I've looked at this as being similar to Hester wanting to get paid like a WR for being a great returner. If Revis is trying to get DE/OLB pass rusher money when that's a different bracket than corners generally get then he's simply asking for too much.

[rangerrick012]

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I may be "misremembering" but I thought there was another period in there and today would be him feeling he's outplayed THAT contract as well.

I also don't know the salary breakdown of corners to agree/disagree with him making 16M "easily". Does anyone know what corners/dbs are going for? What'd Aso get from the Eagles? What was Champ's last salary? I've looked at this as being similar to Hester wanting to get paid like a WR for being a great returner. If Revis is trying to get DE/OLB pass rusher money when that's a different bracket than corners generally get then he's simply asking for too much.

According to this, Aso was top paid CB w/ 11 mil last year, Freeney/Dumervil top paid pass rushers at 14 mil.

http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/

I doubt coming off an injury he'll get 16 mil.

[NYJetsfan]

16 mil is too much for a non qb or pass rusher.

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[cjonesfan921]

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According to this, Aso was top paid CB w/ 11 mil last year, Freeney/Dumervil top paid pass rushers at 14 mil.

http://www.spotrac.com/top-salaries/nfl/

I doubt coming off an injury he'll get 16 mil.

We can doubt, but most 'experts' see it as a possibility.

Off an injury, it depends how he plays this year. If he comes back and plays like nothing happened to him...he'll get that from someone.

[cjonesfan921]

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I may be "misremembering" but I thought there was another period in there and today would be him feeling he's outplayed THAT contract as well.

I thought he held out twice? I could be the one that's mistaken.

[wwharton]

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I thought he held out twice? I could be the one that's mistaken.

Honestly, I was joking with the Roger Clemens wording but I really don't remember. I remember discussing it in a thread but can't remember the details.

[NYJets]

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I thought he held out twice? I could be the one that's mistaken.

He held out after being drafted, and then the hold out a few years ago. He didn't hold out last year but he talked about possibly holding out trying to get a new deal.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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$16 Mil for a CB is not a smart investment and the team that foolishly decides to give him that much, will regret it at some point.

[Dog]

Especially a CB coming off an ACL. Name one corner that bounced back well after an ACL injury

[NateDogPack12]

Here is a two round mock I did for fun. Obviously potential trades not included as they are difficult to predict. Figured I'd post it and get some feedback / discussion. Let me know if I missed anyone. Enjoy!


CHIEFS:
Luke Joekel, T, Texas A&M

JAGUARS:
Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah

RAIDERS:
Damontre Moore, DE/OLB, TAMU

EAGLES:
Demarcus Milliner, CB, Alabama

LIONS:
Bjoern Werner, DE, Florida State

BROWNS:
Jarvis Jones, DE/OLB, Georgia

CARDINALS:
Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia

BILLS:
Tyler Wilson, QB, Arkansas

JETS:
Barkevious Mingo, DE/OLB, LSU

TITANS:
Johnthan Banks, CB, Miss. State

CHARGERS:
Eric Fisher, T, Central Michigan

DOLPHINS:
Jonathan Hankins, DT, Ohio St.

BUCS:
Sheldon Richardson, DT, Mizzou

PANTHERS:
Johnathan Jenkins, DT, Georgia

SAINTS:
Ezekiel Ansah, DE / OLB, BYU

RAMS:
Kenny Vaccaro, S, Texas

STEELERS:
Alec Ogletree, MLB, Georgia

COWBOYS:
Chance Warmack, G, Alabama

GIANTS:
Dion Jordan, DE, Oregon

BEARS:
Manti Te'o, MLB, Notre Dame

BENGALS:
Kevin Minter, MLB, LSU

RAMS:
Cordarrelle Patterson, WR, Tenn.

VIKINGS:
DeAndre Hopkins, WR, Clemson

COLTS:
Sylvester Williams, DT, UNC

SEAHAWKS:
Margus Hunt, DT/DE, SMU

PACKERS:
Barrett Jones, C/G, Alabama

TEXANS:
Justin Hunter, WR, Tennessee

BRONCOS:
Kawann Short, DT, Purdue

PATRIOTS:
Matt Elam, S, Florida

FALCONS:
Bennie Logan, DT, LSU

RAVENS:
Dallas Thomas, G, Tennessee

49ERS:
Keenan Allen, WR, California

JAGUARS:
Matt Barkley, QB, USC

CHIEFS:
Mike Glennon, QB, N.C. State

EAGLES:
Eric Reid, S, LSU

LIONS:
Xavier Rhodes, CB, Florida State

BENGALS:
Giovani Bernard, HB, UNC

CARDINALS:
Alex Okafor, DE/OLB, Texas

JETS:
Eddie Lacy, RB, Alabama

TITANS:
Tyler Eifert, TE, Notre Dame

BILLS:
Tavon Austin, WR, West Virginia

DOLPHINS:
Jordan Poyer, CB, Oregon State

BUCS:
Desmond Trufant, CB, Washington

PANTHERS:
D.J. Fluker, OT, Alabama

CHARGERS:
Lane Johnson, T, Oklahoma

RAMS:
Kyle Long, T, Oregon

COWBOYS:
Jesse Williams, NT, Alabama

STEELERS:
T.J. McDonald, S, USC

GIANTS:
Sharrif Floyd, DT, Florida

BEARS:
Menelik Watson, T, Florida State

REDSKINS:
Logan Ryan, CB, Rutgers

VIKINGS:
David Amerson, CB/S, N.C. State

BENGALS:
Robert Woods, WR, USC

DOLPHINS:
Zach Ertz, TE, Stanford

SEAHAWKS::
Oday Aboushi, T, Virginia

PACKERS:
Cobi Hamilton, WR, Arkansas

TEXANS:
Jamar Taylor, CB, Boise State

BRONCOS:
Will Davis, CB, Utah State

PATRIOTS:
Stedman Bailey, WR, West Virginia

FALCONS:
Corey Lemonier, DE, Auburn

RAVENS:
Bacarri Rambo, S, Georgia

49ERS:
Tyrann Mathieu, CB/S, LSU