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[Fresh Tendrils]

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What if they use a religious taunt?

"Your head is about to blow off like John the Baptist!"

[elgreazy1]

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Real reason for removing slurred speech: mic up more players for additional content generation. It's always about generating more revenue somewhere.

[NDAlum]

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To me taunting is more of an action opposed to words. This is just a my personal opinion.


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[SPTO]

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To me taunting is more of an action opposed to words. This is just a my personal opinion.


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This is generally my view though sometimes taunting can be done with words. There's certainly room for interpretation there.

I don't understand some of the inflexibility from some people here about the idea of minimizing hate speech and stuff that goes beyond the bounds of decency. I'm not saying that players should be muffled completely but i've raised my concerns previously and I don't see any issues about trying to clean up some of the stuff that goes on.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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I don't think anybody would disagree with your notion, but the actual policing of it is damn near impossible.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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It’s one thing for the NFL to say that it wants to take the N-word off the playing field. It’s quite another for the NFL to actually accomplish that feat.
“I think it’s used as a term of endearment between players, and I think it’s so much a part of pop culture and culture in general that it’s going to be very hard to eliminate that from the game,” Packers linebacker Clay Matthews told Dan Patrick on Tuesday. “I think is more something that should come from the locker room, organization, and team leaders to remove it if they see fit.
“This is an emotional game played by tough men who obviously are a little crazy in doing so,” Matthews said. “I think this is going to be a very fine line as far as where this stops, when you start eliminating language from play. . . . It’ll be very difficult.”
The desire to eliminate racial slurs raises a variety of practical concerns, too. How will the officials know for sure that the N-word or some other word was said? How will they know whether it was used as a term of endearment or as an insult?
The bigger concern is philosophical. Does attaching a 15-yard penalty to the use of a racial slur like the N-word honor those who have been victimized by the hate contained in it over the years, or does it trivialize the issue by converting it into football’s equivalent of a parking ticket?
While the goal of eradicating improper language from the field of play is honorable, we’re not sure that attaching a tangible football consequence to the decision of an adult male to speak improperly is the right way to address the problem.
It’s also not a very good idea to give the officials yet another way that judgment can be exercised in a way that potentially affects the outcome of a game. In the playoff game between the 49ers and Panthers, a Carolina player was called for an obvious head butt — and at least one 49ers player performed the same act and got away with it.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/02/25/clay-matthews-believes-itll-be-hard-to-police-on-field-language/

[TheShizNo1]

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I hope this passes and a game never gets finished because there's a flag every play.

So ****ing dumb.

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[mestevo]

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Funny how they minimize it as a parking ticket and then paint the doom and gloom game-deciding penalty picture.

Also, it isn't a judgement call if it's not allowed at all.

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[wwharton]

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"Use profanity, insulting or vulgar language or gestures" is already a 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalty and was being called last season.

The surprising thing to me is they want a second offense in a game to be an ejection. They already don't throw players out who are flagged for throwing a punch, just don't see someone getting ejected for verbal unsportsmanlike conduct.

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Assuming how this will be actually used, I think the existing rule mestevo mentioned above should be taken into consideration. Players and coaches get A LOT of rope before they hang themselves when it comes to this rule. I think the same will be true here, but it gives the officials the power to throw a flag based on the word, which could be controversial based only on the rule as it was before this addition.

I also remember at least a couple of players getting into it with refs who used the N-word when talking to them on the field. I think the NFL wants to put everyone on notice that the word shouldn't be allowed to be thrown around so freely, but I highly doubt they plan on throwing the flag every single time they hear it.

I also think the Martin case is driving them to try to push teams to be more responsible with words and actions that may offend some whether intentionally or not. This rule on the field, and this case could push owners and coaches to be more active in cleaning up some of the language in the locker room too. Again, not going to get rid of it all together, but it shouldn't... but people should be more cautious as well. Working in an office, inappropriate talk and behavior goes on all the time, but since the heightened awareness to sexual and other harassment, people are just more careful with who and what they throw out there. I don't see any reason the NFL can't or shouldn't be the same way (relatively speaking of course). To give an example, if someone in Martin's situation were to say to an Incognito that he was uncomfortable with being called the N word by him, he'd actually have something behind him to help get that behavior changed before it blows up to historic proportions... or maybe won't feel like staying quiet for fear that Incognito, the coaches or higher management would just look down on him for speaking up.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Like Clay said, good luck trying to police this(especially this word) on the field.

Again, I appreciate the effort but also know it's a waste of time.

I think the NFL wants to put everyone on notice that the word shouldn't be allowed to be thrown around so freely, but I highly doubt they plan on throwing the flag every single time they hear it.

Which means they're going to half *** it and if they're so pressed on trying to ban a word they "believe"(I put it in quotations because I have my doubts on if they really believe it or are just saying just because it sounds good for them to say)then they need to go all out and flag players every single time they hear it. And if they have to start fining players then so be it. Just don't half *** it and flag players only SOME of the time otherwise don't expect much to change from the players(especially the Black Players)because they'll still continue to say it on the field either when saying what's up to another player or disrespecting another player.

[Steven78]

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Honestly I doubt anything happens and people are getting wound up for no reason.

Remember how we all hated the "running back lowers his helmet" penalty added this year and how a lot of us were opposed to that? Well, did it ever actually get called all year long? Even on plays where it could/should have been called?

I doubt anything really happens here.

[wwharton]

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Like Clay said, good luck trying to police this(especially this word) on the field.

Again, I appreciate the effort but also know it's a waste of time.


Which means they're going to half *** it and if they're so pressed on trying to ban a word they "believe"(I put it in quotations because I have my doubts on if they really believe it or are just saying just because it sounds good for them to say)then they need to go all out and flag players every single time they hear it. And if they have to start fining players then so be it. Just don't half *** it and flag players only SOME of the time otherwise don't expect much to change from the players(especially the Black Players)because they'll still continue to say it on the field either when saying what's up to another player or disrespecting another player.

I'm saying it will only be used in extreme cases. Players curse at refs and each other all the time, which is against the rules, and they're rarely flagged. I think it'll need to be at that extreme level for the N word to get flagged too. If you look at the current rule, the only place the N word could possibly fit is under "offensive" language. But there's this grey area we're even talking about now where it can be offensive, isn't always offensive, etc. That makes it tough for a ref to flag based on that word without any other "offensive" words. At the very least, this defines the word as something that can be flagged.

It could mean a lot more than that and be the mess people are thinking, but like you, I think that's impossible to police. But if they are planning on using this rule the way I think I can see how that would make at least some sense.

[mestevo]

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Honestly I doubt anything happens and people are getting wound up for no reason.

Remember how we all hated the "running back lowers his helmet" penalty added this year and how a lot of us were opposed to that? Well, did it ever actually get called all year long? Even on plays where it could/should have been called?

I doubt anything really happens here.

There was nothing left to hate because the game was ruined and unwatchable because the kickoffs were moved up, remember?

[AshamanCarnage]

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I think this is a good thing for the NFL. It may be a game but first and foremost it is a business, and they know kids and teens watch it just as much as grown men. So why would they not try to clean it up?

I'm pretty sure the officials can issue a warning to the player the first time or two before flagging him. I highly doubt they will be throwing flags every single time. And if they do start flagging them a lot for it then...gasp...they can just stop saying it.

[kingkilla56]

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This rule is dumb. Leave it alone. I honestly don't know why they care about this all of a sudden. Sounds like a giant PR stunt.

And to the point above me, kids wont stop saying it because random player on TV, who they've never actually heard say it during a game, is saying it.