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[Cardot]

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So I guess Goodell won't be over at the Kraft's for h'orderves next Wednesday?

[wwharton]

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True, all of that is interesting, but most of the discussion this whole time seemed to boil down to braindead talk-radio style pro-Brady vs anti-Brady meme wars.

Yeah, the significance is in the results... everything else is just filler. It'd be great if they only talked about it when something new happened.

Every single time a person with no ties to the NFL looks at Goodell's decision making on discipline, he/she basically says "Huh? What is going on here?". Fascinating to me.

It's more a fault of today's access to information. As I mentioned, the 2 games Goodell originally gave Ray Rice was the norm... may even be considered high in some cases. Nobody batted an eye or even knew if they didn't go out of their way to research NFL player penalties for domestic violence. When the casual fan begins getting details to the discipline policies they're going to say "What's going on here?" no matter who the commissioner is/was.

I still think it's funny that people were lining up to turn in Ray Rice jerseys but everyone loves Suggs... who dragged his girlfriend/wife by the hair and threw bleach on her. But since that happened before these things were displayed in the public for casual fans to see, it's all good.

[Beantown]

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So I guess Goodell won't be over at the Kraft's for h'orderves next Wednesday?

He's not even going to the game on Thursday night anymore.

[SPTO]

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It's actually a pretty big deal. Hardy announcing his appeal is the first sign of that. Judges overruling the powers granted in the CBA will likely open the flood gates for players wanting to run to court if they don't like Goodell's ruling.

Also consider the judge specifically speaks on the player not knowing the potential punishment. Now the common punishment for domestic violence in the NFL was about 2 games when Ray hit his wife. That's what the commissioner gave him and all hell broke loose, but imagine now the commissioner correcting a flaw in previous punishment by increasing on the fly. Rice goes to court and the judge says it's an unfair penalty bc the player didn't previously know the potential punishment?

This is far from over unfortunately, but the results are more significant than I think many know.

Spot on!

Unfortunately with this judge's ruling the floodgates are now open for every single player who's been disciplined and feels they've been wronged to go and take it to the legal system. This judge has singlehandedly crippled Goodell's ability to rule harshly when it's warranted.

That being said, if Goodell wasn't so damn wishy washy in his rulings this wouldn't have happened in the first place.

[ImTellinTim]

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It's more a fault of today's access to information. As I mentioned, the 2 games Goodell originally gave Ray Rice was the norm... may even be considered high in some cases. Nobody batted an eye or even knew if they didn't go out of their way to research NFL player penalties for domestic violence. When the casual fan begins getting details to the discipline policies they're going to say "What's going on here?" no matter who the commissioner is/was.

I still think it's funny that people were lining up to turn in Ray Rice jerseys but everyone loves Suggs... who dragged his girlfriend/wife by the hair and threw bleach on her. But since that happened before these things were displayed in the public for casual fans to see, it's all good.

I didn't take his comment to be about the general public, but about the judges, investigators, etc. The people who eventually hear the case after the suspended player goes through the ridiculous motions of appealing a Goodell decision to Goodell.

[redsox4evur]

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Spot on!

Unfortunately with this judge's ruling the floodgates are now open for every single player who's been disciplined and feels they've been wronged to go and take it to the legal system. This judge has singlehandedly crippled Goodell's ability to rule harshly when it's warranted.

That being said, if Goodell wasn't so damn wishy washy in his rulings this wouldn't have happened in the first place.

Or if the league would have actually budged when it came time to the appeal or the settlement talks. Brady was willing to go to 1 game, sources close to the team and Brady said. And he wanted the language to be, I got suspended the game 1 for not turning over his cellphone. But the league was willing to go down to 3 games and Brady accept guilt. The language doesn't matter because if Brady gets suspended 95% of NFL followers automatically think it was deflating footballs. So why not work something out, especially after you got destroyed the 2 times you were in court?

[dsallupinyaarea]

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I didn't take his comment to be about the general public, but about the judges, investigators, etc. The people who eventually hear the case after the suspended player goes through the ridiculous motions of appealing a Goodell decision to Goodell.

Yeah, I was talking about authority figures.

[jWILL253]

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It's actually a pretty big deal. Hardy announcing his appeal is the first sign of that. Judges overruling the powers granted in the CBA will likely open the flood gates for players wanting to run to court if they don't like Goodell's ruling.

Also consider the judge specifically speaks on the player not knowing the potential punishment. Now the common punishment for domestic violence in the NFL was about 2 games when Ray hit his wife. That's what the commissioner gave him and all hell broke loose, but imagine now the commissioner correcting a flaw in previous punishment by increasing on the fly. Rice goes to court and the judge says it's an unfair penalty bc the player didn't previously know the potential punishment?

This is far from over unfortunately, but the results are more significant than I think many know.

The biggest thing about this case, is the fact that the judge just negated a huge part of the CBA that the NFL negotiated for and the NFLPA conceded so they could have a bigger slice of the revenue pie.

Judge basically said you can't just do whatever the hell you want with impunity in regards to how you punish your employees, even though the CBA says Goodell can do exactly that. I'm not surprised Goodell is appealing the ruling, because he looks like an absolute fool right now (and rightfully so). If Goodell loses on this front, he's pretty much forcing his own resignation.

[wwharton]

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I didn't take his comment to be about the general public, but about the judges, investigators, etc. The people who eventually hear the case after the suspended player goes through the ridiculous motions of appealing a Goodell decision to Goodell.

Yeah, I was talking about authority figures.

But who would this even be in any case besides this one? Investigators have been under the commissioner. The person hearing appeals has been the commissioner. The "good ole boys" club has always kept these things under wraps and, for better or worse, everyone who has been involved has been extremely familiar with the reality of the culture of the league.

Remember when Goodell was first hired and everyone said he was heavy handed with his suspensions? Then we have things that extend beyond the players, owners and die hard fans like bountygate, the pats videotape scandal and ray rice and in each case, the public demanded harsher penalties than "the Hammer" would have normally done.

[wwharton]

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The biggest thing about this case, is the fact that the judge just negated a huge part of the CBA that the NFL negotiated for and the NFLPA conceded so they could have a bigger slice of the revenue pie.

Judge basically said you can't just do whatever the hell you want with impunity in regards to how you punish your employees, even though the CBA says Goodell can do exactly that. I'm not surprised Goodell is appealing the ruling, because he looks like an absolute fool right now (and rightfully so). If Goodell loses on this front, he's pretty much forcing his own resignation.

I liked this post but disagree about Goodell's resignation. I don't think he's going anywhere. He's appealing for the exact reason you stated... this ruling is allowing the players to have their cake and eat it too. People are likely okay with it because it seems to be a result of Goodell abusing the power, but taking emotion out of it, it's pretty messed up by the judge.

[N51_rob]

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The biggest thing about this case, is the fact that the judge just negated a huge part of the CBA that the NFL negotiated for and the NFLPA conceded so they could have a bigger slice of the revenue pie.

Judge basically said you can't just do whatever the hell you want with impunity in regards to how you punish your employees, even though the CBA says Goodell can do exactly that. I'm not surprised Goodell is appealing the ruling, because he looks like an absolute fool right now (and rightfully so). If Goodell loses on this front, he's pretty much forcing his own resignation.

Only on things that aren't already covered specifically in the CBA. Players won't wind PED/Drug suspensions. This ruling basically eviscerated "conduct detrimental" punishment. Clay Travis wrote a great piece about why the judge may have overstepped in his written opinion.

http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/outkick-the-coverage/judge-overturns-tom-brady-suspension-090315

[wco81]

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Well the owners were happy enough with Goddell to give him a very generous compensation, about $30 million a year.

However, if his reputation keeps getting assailed, they may decide he's not worth it even though he's basically doing their dirty work, getting all the public heat for whatever grievances they have against the league.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Good for Brady and the Pats.

#FreeBrady

[Trapper700]

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The NFL losing the appeal would change arbitration laws around the country and be detrimental to every single sports league. Goodell could gave f'ed up so hard here that he could screw the NBA, MLB, NHL and others.

[N51_rob]

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The NFL losing the appeal would change arbitration laws around the country and be detrimental to every single sports league. Goodell could gave f'ed up so hard here that he could screw the NBA, MLB, NHL and others.

It will just make the lawyers for the sports leagues work harder in spelling out punishments for anything and everything.

Section 1989.5.7 Appendix XY: You have sex with a dead martian hooker against the wishes of the league while incorrectly doing the dougie=3 game suspension.