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[thaima1shu]

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Rodgers can relate to what Ben went thru with his O-Line issues and what Wilson is going thru as well.


It'll get better eventually, just a matter of when and how soon it will.

At this point I think it has to get better by default because I'm not sure it can possibly get much worse.

[Rocky]

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https://www.yahoo.com/tv/s/nfl-nbc-fox-cbs-espn-170403204.html

Not really sure where to put this but interesting nonetheless. All I really care about is whether this impacts the NFL's deal with EA though.

[wco81]

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Maybe they figure Wilson will continue to make plays, just enough plays, both by passing and with his feet.

As long as the defense holds up.

Are they going to extend Okung? LTs command big contracts so it'll be interesting to see how they manage the cap.

[tripwire]

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Rodgers can relate to what Ben went thru with his O-Line issues and what Wilson is going thru as well.


It'll get better eventually, just a matter of when and how soon it will.

Rodgers is on another level though

It's his world, and linemen just live in it

[dubcity]

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Or, you can just start a thread. It's a forum... just like every other one, the mods don't need to be responsible for starting threads, that's why everyone has the power to do it.





The catch all threads make more sense for sports like baseball, basketball and hockey, bc there are so many games and the bulk of the games aren't only on one day. But we can talk about if that's a change worth making here.





Either way, your post is a really, really poor excuse for a reply to my request to not flood the OT thread. People make threads based on one little story, play, event all the time. If it doesn't get traction it fades away... such is the life of a forum thread.

Right, coming up with solutions to an issue that only you see as a problem is a poor excuse for a reply, lol. I guess not responding would have been better. Oh well, this thread will just keep on flooding with discussion. How terrible.

[jWILL253]

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Maybe they figure Wilson will continue to make plays, just enough plays, both by passing and with his feet.

As long as the defense holds up.

Are they going to extend Okung? LTs command big contracts so it'll be interesting to see how they manage the cap.

Okung can GTFO.
He ain't worth whatever amount he's gonna ask for.

[wwharton]

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Right, coming up with solutions to an issue that only you see as a problem is a poor excuse for a reply, lol. I guess not responding would have been better. Oh well, this thread will just keep on flooding with discussion. How terrible.

I presented a solution (as a mod for this site btw). So lol all you want, but my request stands. Maybe you would've done better to just not reply.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Rodgers is on another level though

It's his world, and linemen just live in it

I'm talking about his first few years starting.


Granted some of the sacks he was taking was on him, but...the O-Line play up until the last few years was mostly below average. It's much better now though.

[jWILL253]

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The thing to remember about the difference between Rodgers' offensive line and the one that Wilson is playing behind, is that even in it's worse state, Rodgers would just have to shuffle around a few feet to buy time in the pocket. Not an easy task with 300 lb men flying at you, but still.

Wilson, tho? He either has all the time in the world, or absolutely no time at all. Russell ain't shuffling a few feet, he's running like he stole something.

[redsox4evur]

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I do wanna say this about Russell Wilson, tho.

Amidst my meltdown yesterday, I went to search for Russell Wilson's stats for the season so far.

124/180 ATT
68.9% completion rate
7 TD
3 INT
1433 YDS
8.0 yards per completion average
251 rush yards
5.6 yards per carry

I know people are gonna take the piss, but truth be told... considering he's on pace to become the most sacked QB in NFL single season history, it's quite remarkable that he's having his best season of his career from the pocket so far. No matter what you feel about him as far as his value is concerned, you have to give him credit for what he's been able to salvage on offense.

I almost want to place Pete Carroll & Tom Cable under citizen's arrest for the criminal negligence of this offensive line.

Like others have said, the problem isn't Wilson. I don't think he's anywhere near the top of the list of the problems for the Seahawks. My top 3 in no particular order are the defense as a whole (especially the DB's), Graham and the OL. I list Graham because for what you guys gave up for him (starting C, and a 1st rounder) he isn't giving you the production for what you gave up. The defense has played horribly compared to past years. And who is to blame for that? Could some of it fall on Kam because of his holdout? And as you said at this pace the Seahawks OL is on pace to break the NFL record for most sacks given up in a year.

[thaima1shu]

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Would agree he isn't the biggest problem, but can't just completely absolve Wilson of blame. The O-Line is bad but Wilson contributes to that by not getting rid of the ball quicker in certain moments where he has a chance to. The team has also been pretty bad on third downs and in the red zone. Those are pretty key areas where Wilson has to get better if this offense is to improve. Not to mention the completely oddity of the offense just going completely cold in the fourth quarter recently.

[jWILL253]

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Can't just completely absolve Wilson of blame. The O-Line is bad but Wilson contributes to that by not getting rid of the ball quicker in certain moments where he has a chance to. The team has also been pretty bad on third downs and in the red zone. Those are pretty key areas where Wilson has to get better if this offense is to improve. Not to mention the completely oddity of the offense just going completely cold in the fourth quarter recently.

Two words: Darrell Bevell.

I know he gets blame a lot to the point where it's cliche, but it's becoming a self-fullfilling prophecy at this point. It's almost like he's aware of their lack of offensive production outside of the first 80 yards of the field, and at anytime outside the first 45 minutes of the game, and 3rd down. And his response is overthink it and become even more conservative.

[tripwire]

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Would agree he isn't the biggest problem, but can't just completely absolve Wilson of blame. The O-Line is bad but Wilson contributes to that by not getting rid of the ball quicker in certain moments where he has a chance to. The team has also been pretty bad on third downs and in the red zone. Those are pretty key areas where Wilson has to get better if this offense is to improve. Not to mention the completely oddity of the offense just going completely cold in the fourth quarter recently.

It's a jail break most of the time from what I've witnessed. I read this article last week about how he's actually getting rid of the ball quicker,

https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CBsQFjAAahUKEwjy6sKdus_IAhWCqh4KHUitA4E&url=http%3A%2F%2Fespn.go.com%2Fblog%2Fseattle-seahawks%2Fpost%2F_%2Fid%2F15004%2Frussell-wilson-getting-rid-of-the-ball-quicker-than-ever-before&usg=AFQjCNHRzPhk8W8dNzWw8l0pplVtyn-hgw

I would have to agree that Bevell and the oline are his biggest hurdles.

[wwharton]

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You absolutely can NOT blame Graham without also blaming Wilson. Graham doesn't throw balls to himself. He's not a shifty speedy wide out, he's a TE... a lot of his damage winning battles for the ball. Wilson, from what I can tell, has little desire to throw a 50/50 ball. It's not surprising since he never really had anyone worth taking that chance with, and considering the make up of the team, it's made a ton more sense to not hurt the defense and give the ground game a chance rather than throwing jump balls. But in the red zone when you have a guy like Graham, you have to trust that he will win battles. You also have to make him your first read a lot more often than is happening.

If he can't trust Graham in this regard, that trade was a huge loss considering they gave up an olinesman to get him, and are playing more of a pass catching TE at a time when the oline could use help blocking.

[steelerfan]

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I've been a Hawks fan for over 11 years now

This made me LOL. No disrespect at all, I just realize how freaking old I am. This is my 37th season as a Steelers fan (I'm 41).