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[kingkilla56]

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A 23 year old going out and partying is a distraction and embarrassment now? Interesting. Wonder how many other players are distracting and embarrassing their teams in the nfl on a nightly basis.

If this is such a big problem for the Browns org, why hasn't he simply been released?

[Bmore Irish]

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Stedman Bailey actually talked to Jeff Fisher after being shot in the head, so hopefully that means it was more of a grazing, or didn't lodge in his brain, and he'll be fine.

It sounds like the other person shot in the car is in more serious condition. He was trying to shield children in the car.

Hopefully all parties make it through.

[SPTO]

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Stedman Bailey actually talked to Jeff Fisher after being shot in the head, so hopefully that means it was more of a grazing, or didn't lodge in his brain, and he'll be fine.

It sounds like the other person shot in the car is in more serious condition. He was trying to shield children in the car.

Hopefully all parties make it through.

Grazing or not, it's miraculous that he was even able to talk to Fisher after being shot in the head. Sounds like it was an unfortunate incident all around. Hopefully the other guy will make it out alive.

[Bmore Irish]

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Grazing or not, it's miraculous that he was even able to talk to Fisher after being shot in the head. Sounds like it was an unfortunate incident all around. Hopefully the other guy will make it out alive.

He's definitely very lucky. I don't think he's completely out of the woods yet, because I believe I read he still needs to have surgery. But you'd hope that him being able to talk is a good sign.

[slickdtc]

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A 23 year old going out and partying is a distraction and embarrassment now? Interesting. Wonder how many other players are distracting and embarrassing their teams in the nfl on a nightly basis.

If this is such a big problem for the Browns org, why hasn't he simply been released?

It's not any 23 year old, it's Johnny Manziel who had an incident earlier this year and a reputation dating back to college. No one cares if players go out to bars and clubs and drink. The Browns do care when Johnny does it. Or apparently if he even makes an appearance.

I do agree that if you have to put your supposedly franchise QB (by draft position at least) on a leash, it's probably best to just cut bait.

[mestevo]

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Courtroom play-by-play today from https://twitter.com/WALLACHLEGAL for the Fanduel/DraftKings DFS stuff.

e: Oh, guess he's dropping most of his content initially here - https://twitter.com/LSPReport

[wwharton]

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It was a silly analogy, period. That people like you like to use anytime an athlete gets in trouble now.

Most of us people giving Pettine crap today have been doing so prior before today because he's handled it poorly all year. This recent news is just a cop out for him to in a way "justify" his decision by telling folks, "See, I told you he was all trouble and this is why all along I started McCown over him".

And sure, depending on what said athlete has done off the field, it can be enough to get a player benched(that's a case by case basis because not all cases will be the same).

But if he didn't break any laws or violate any team rules while on his bye week, well you have to excuse me and others for not standing by the decision like you seem to be.

Who are "people like me"? I'm actually shocked that YOU would throw me in the "people like you" crap speak. I've been outspoken on Ray Lewis, Michael Vick, Stallworth, Ray Rice, McDonald, Big Ben, Peterson, etc, etc, etc. Please explain how the "silly analogy" characterizes my opinion "anytime an athlete gets into trouble". I consistently take each case individually and have been grouped with the extreme on both sides, so I guess everyone falls into "people like me".

BTW, YOU just said you were torn between what you just typed here and agreeing with what I originally said. I guess only people like me can't see why someone have been riding Pettine all year and still understand his actions in this case.

You don't have to stand by anything... we can disagree, I don't remember saying or even hinting that there was anything wrong with that.

I'm in favor of the Manziel benching but man, you can't equate Johnny with Greg Hardy. Johnny's a lot of things but he isn't a woman beater. The guy needs to grow up a bit though.


Anywho, looks like Chip Kelly is going to leave the Eagles a broken mess as Adam Schefter is reporting he may not be back in 2016

Philly.com article

Another black mark for college coaches going pro.

This is why I responded in the first place, before this became a game of telephone and spiraled out of control. Hardy was ONLY brought up as an example of a player who is allowed to do whatever with little repercussion bc he produces on the field. Even if you take out the DV, he skips meetings, he pushed a coach, etc, etc. The defense has been that he produces on the field. Currently, all the arguments for Johnny is about sticking to football. I respect Pettine for having a bigger picture, and suggested that Dallas would do themselves and Hardy a favor if they held him more accountable for his crap.

People can disagree with that all they want, but please don't act like I'm comparing Johnny having a few drinks to what Hardy did to his ex. And for anyone else, please don't paint me as someone who wants to run players out of the league for something they've done off the field either. I've never held my tongue and I've got plenty of posts around here showing otherwise.

I simply do not care what players do on their off time so long as nobody is being hurt and no laws are broken. In this instance, I don't care what Johnny did.

He's being benched because the coach doesn't like a photo he was in. Not because he's a bad player or they have better options. But because the coach doesn't like what his qb does on his off week. Yeah ok.

I actually agree, but it seems pretty clear that he promised the organization something that he didn't live up to. Players have been cut for being in photos before. Hell a QB lost his starting job and was cut for being late to a flight. I don't know why you're isolating a single incident to make a point, but we can do that all across the league and find many less significant reasons for players being benched or cut.

On the Manziel topic, while there may not be language in his contract, he apparently had an agreement with Pettine going into the bye week.

"I let him know that I'm not going to do anything that's going to be a distraction to this team or be an embarrassment to the organization,'' Manziel said last week of his conversation with Pettine. "I'm going to get a chance to go and relax like everybody else in this locker room is. I don't think they're going to have to worry about me this week."

Then these videos and pictures come out, rumors of him being out at bars or clubs or whatever it was all night, etc. Based on his past events off the field, anything like that is guaranteed to end up online.

Distraction or embarrassment is definitely open to interpretation in this regard of what Manziel did on the bye week down in Texas. But by now, lets be honest, he has an extremely short leash as far as Pettine and the front office is concerned, especially when considering the recent suspected DV incident that only just started to exit the headlines. He has done absolutely nothing to help get rid of his rich, wild boozing party kid image from college, even after going to rehab and promising that he would focus more on his job this season and be more mature this year.

Pretty much my thoughts exactly.

If that spoken agreement is the justification for the benching, that is unjust. Johnny also said he would relax during the bye week. Hanging out and partying with friends is a normal way for people his age to relax.

I think there has to be more to the story. Maybe he is showing up late for meetings or not studying/preparing as he should and this video was the last straw.

How is it unjust? If the spoken agreement was that he would no longer drink and would go to rehab to get over his problems, then he's caught drinking twice, with one involving a domestic violence claim? If a 23 year old gets a DUI and then a likely PBJ, partying with alcohol is then no longer a normal way for people in his position to relax.

Don't forget, he admitted himself that he wasn't preparing properly his rookie year, likely including (to some extent) the things you mention... so it'd seem the video would be the last straw.

At the end of the day, I just don't understand all the defense for Manziel period. He's done nothing Matt Flynn or Matt Cassell haven't done more consistently ON the field. No idea why he deserves this pass people want to give.

[kingkilla56]

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It's not any 23 year old, it's Johnny Manziel who had an incident earlier this year and a reputation dating back to college. No one cares if players go out to bars and clubs and drink. The Browns do care when Johnny does it. Or apparently if he even makes an appearance.

I do agree that if you have to put your supposedly franchise QB (by draft position at least) on a leash, it's probably best to just cut bait.

Johnny is no different than any 23 year old. Well except he is a quarterback. And tell me again when did Manziel get charged with a crime? He admitted himself to rehab, it didn't work. Is he on parole for the rest of his life now? Why is Manziel under house arrest? Because he's a franchise qb?

Just for the record I'm not trying to cape for Manziel in particular. It's these teams that overstep their bounds. Manziel took a photo. He wasn't arrested. Wasn't recorded choking somebody. He took a photo. How much of his life do the Browns get to control? Please outline exactly how much of his non football life that the Browns get to control.

[ggsimmonds]

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How is it unjust? If the spoken agreement was that he would no longer drink and would go to rehab to get over his problems, then he's caught drinking twice, with one involving a domestic violence claim? If a 23 year old gets a DUI and then a likely PBJ, partying with alcohol is then no longer a normal way for people in his position to relax.

Don't forget, he admitted himself that he wasn't preparing properly his rookie year, likely including (to some extent) the things you mention... so it'd seem the video would be the last straw.

At the end of the day, I just don't understand all the defense for Manziel period. He's done nothing Matt Flynn or Matt Cassell haven't done more consistently ON the field. No idea why he deserves this pass people want to give.

The spoken agreement I am referring to is "I let him know that I'm not going to do anything that's going to be a distraction to this team or be an embarrassment to the organization Manziel said last week of his conversation with Pettine. "I'm going to get a chance to go and relax like everybody else in this locker room is. I don't think they're going to have to worry about me this week."

Undoubtedly there is information and details which we are not privy to. Just going by what has been made public I don't agree with the benching.

[dubcity]

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It's not any 23 year old, it's Johnny Manziel who had an incident earlier this year and a reputation dating back to college. No one cares if players go out to bars and clubs and drink. The Browns do care when Johnny does it. Or apparently if he even makes an appearance.

I'm getting tired of all these former NFL players and analysts getting on their high horse about this, though. Talking about how QBs have to live up to a standard, and going out and partying on bye weeks somehow violates that. I mean, are NBA players on that kind of lockdown during all-star with all those parties?

I get that Manziel is a unique situation - I would argue the Browns have made it a bigger deal than it is, but that's a different discussion, I guess - but I'm so over these guys generalizing and acting like QBs have to be whitebread and in bed by 8pm. Just heard Brady Quinn talking like that this morning.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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These are the longest "tough break for a good kid" posts I have ever seen.

[kingkilla56]

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These are the longest "tough break for a good kid" posts I have ever seen.

5 star post.

[wwharton]

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The spoken agreement I am referring to is "I let him know that I'm not going to do anything that's going to be a distraction to this team or be an embarrassment to the organization Manziel said last week of his conversation with Pettine. "I'm going to get a chance to go and relax like everybody else in this locker room is. I don't think they're going to have to worry about me this week."

Undoubtedly there is information and details which we are not privy to. Just going by what has been made public I don't agree with the benching.

Oh yeah, I agree that if this is all that's to it, then dropping him to 3rd string is a bit much.

What I was saying was that there was likely a conversation coming into the season specifically about his drinking. The checking into rehab being an act of good faith and presented as more reason to trust he was done with that life.

That is, of course, just an assumption. But everything points to that making more sense than "randomly benched for hanging out with friends". I don't see him voluntarily checking himself into rehab for legal drug abuse if there wasn't a strong push of it costing him a huge opportunity if he didn't do so (especially since his current behavior the last few months shows he doesn't really want to stop drinking).

[ProfessaPackMan]

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There needs to be a rule here where if you're going to quote more than 3-4 posts and then type long *** paragraphs to each post, then that mess needs to be in spoilers, lol.

At least help the folks who only browse OS on Tapatalk out. Ain't nobody trying to be doing all that scrolling.

[redsox4evur]

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There needs to be a rule here where if you're going to quote more than 3-4 posts and then type long *** paragraphs to each post, then that mess needs to be in spoilers, lol.

Ain't nobody trying to be doing all that scrolling.

Fixed that for you...it sucks on PC as well.