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[DieHardYankee26]

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This was the case before we found out that he only cared about social issues on a superficial level. He didn't even vote in the last election lol.

The work he did in communities and donations made in his name go against the idea that he's only in it for superficial reasons. I don't agree with him not voting either but it doesn't invalidate everything else he does. If a dude works 9 out of 10 days and then gets sick on Friday, he still deserves his paycheck.

[TheShizNo1]

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No matter the issue, I see no reason to sign a polarizing player just to have him be a backup. Why put your franchise through all of the mess for a guy like that? If he was legit starter material, someone would sign him and take on all that goes with it.

The whole distraction in sports is bull**** to me. What adult doesn't go to work with some sort of internal baggage? You really telling me a locker room/staff full of adults really get off their focus for the rest of the day when five-ten minutes are spent being asked questions that don't have anything to do with what they do?

Is football the only sport we really hear the distraction buzzword in? More than others?

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[ProfessaPackMan]

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If we don't know this how can we say he's being blackballed then? With certainty like it seems some have said in this thread.

You'd have to them why they're so certain.

My personal thoughts on this whole thing:

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Personally, the only thing I'm certain of is him not standing is playing a significant factor in nobody even wanting to meet with him because they're afraid of that fan backlash and it'd be real naive if people think it's not playing a factor at all(which would also say something about that person and how they feel about certain topics).

Like I mentioned, Kenny Stills didn't stand all year and didn't make any promises for this year either yet he got paid more money this offseason.

Question, for those saying he's not good enough to be a backup, what were they saying about Michael Vick after he got out of prison for killing some dogs and then got signed by the Eagles? What's the difference between these 2?

I also remember seeing reports that were saying he supposedly didn't care about Football and was more concerned with social issues than training in the offseason. Nobody said anything to even try and debunk those rumors(which nobody knows how that rumor started in the first place)yet as soon as people say "he's being blackballed from the league because he didn't stand", then everyone comes out the blue with the "Well actually, he's not signed because his QBR was blah, blah, blah".

Another funny thing to me is that we all acknowledge there are only 14-16(maybe less depending on who you ask)good starting caliber QBs, but when it comes to QB2/3, we want to act like there are standards all of a sudden to be that? Lol, there are QBs out there that aren't good enough to be even be backup QBs and we all know that, yet people want to say with "certainty" that he's not good enough to be a backup.

I know uber mentioned that if we were to trade our backup QB, he'd take him in GB. Let's be real, the people that live in GB(let's not be naive, it's about 95% white and 5% Black with half of that percentage on the team)would lose their ****ing mind if they were to bring in THIS guy. Anybody else with his numbers, the fans would be like "Oh, we got ourselves a good backup in case Rodgers goes down). He'd get crapped on by his own fans way worse than Rodgers did in his first year starting.

At the end of the day, I'm not losing any sleep if he doesn't get another opportunity to start again. But we also need to stop lying to ourselves if we think it's all Football reasons that keeping him from getting as much as an interview so far.

[NDAlum]

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I just think it's a combination of the factors. I don't think they are mutually exclusive.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Well, when it comes to Sports, it's pretty much hard to separate PR from Performance, especially with Owners being more cautious now. But that's a whole other discussion in itself.

A few years ago, you'd take the PR hit, no matter how bad it was, if you could play.


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[LowerWolf]

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I just think it's a combination of the factors. I don't think they are mutually exclusive.

Agreed. I think the protest is playing a role in Kap still being unsigned, but it's one of several factors. I'm not sure why everyone (not necessarily on OS) thinks it has to be one reason.

[NYJets]

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Agreed. I think the protest is playing a role in Kap still being unsigned, but it's one of several factors. I'm not sure why everyone (not necessarily on OS) thinks it has to be one reason.

Well I think its pretty simple. If he had never knelt during the anthem and had kept his mouth shut about the issues he's discussed, he'd have a job. Yes, if Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady did a protest that was just as controversial, they'd still have jobs since they are much better players so technically its not the only factor. But its the one that matters.

[slickdtc]

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I think the "he doesn't care about football" talk came out from SF from something John Lynch said after him and Shanahan met with Kaep to basically let him know he was getting released. Lynch came out and followed those comments up with clarifying statements, but the damage was already done.

[NDAlum]

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Well I think its pretty simple. If he had never knelt during the anthem and had kept his mouth shut about the issues he's discussed, he'd have a job. Yes, if Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady did a protest that was just as controversial, they'd still have jobs since they are much better players so technically its not the only factor. But its the one that matters.

But has he been offered a contract but not agreed to the terms? I mean what if he's going in there wanting more money than teams are willing to pay?

In my opinion this is what everything hinges on. His jerseys are leading sales so there's obvious support for him in addition to the critics.

*Per B/R headline that referenced his jersey sales*

I disagree you can say with certainty that if he wasn't polarizing that he'd have a job.

[LowerWolf]

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Well I think its pretty simple. If he had never knelt during the anthem and had kept his mouth shut about the issues he's discussed, he'd have a job. Yes, if Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady did a protest that was just as controversial, they'd still have jobs since they are much better players so technically its not the only factor. But its the one that matters.

Why is that the only one that matters?

I think the "he doesn't care about football" talk came out from SF from something John Lynch said after him and Shanahan met with Kaep to basically let him know he was getting released. Lynch came out and followed those comments up with clarifying statements, but the damage was already done.

There were people within the organization who thought that, but that began well before Lynch got there. Lynch apologized for the leaks and clarified he didn't think that. Jed/Chip and the rest of the organization supported Kap. Baalke wanted him gone.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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If he was offered a contract but declined, we'd know by now.

Stuff like that is impossible to keep secret from the Media, regardless of who it involves.



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[jfsolo]

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If he was offered a contract but declined, we'd know by now.

Stuff like that is impossible to keep secret from the Media, regardless of who it involves.



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People would have been shouting that from the rooftops with a megaphone.

[SPTO]

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Well I think its pretty simple. If he had never knelt during the anthem and had kept his mouth shut about the issues he's discussed, he'd have a job. Yes, if Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady did a protest that was just as controversial, they'd still have jobs since they are much better players so technically its not the only factor. But its the one that matters.

It's interesting that you mention that. I remember reading a piece during the heat of the kneeling controversy that said if Brady had done that the conversation about the issues would be filtered through a more positive prism and would legitimize what Kaep was doing. I don't necessarily agree with the last part but the first part is a sad fact of life. Sometimes you NEED those huge name players to take a stand but as I've said they tend to shy away from the big social issues of the day.

[wwharton]

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You'd have to them why they're so certain.

My personal thoughts on this whole thing:

Spoiler

Personally, the only thing I'm certain of is him not standing is playing a significant factor in nobody even wanting to meet with him because they're afraid of that fan backlash and it'd be real naive if people think it's not playing a factor at all(which would also say something about that person and how they feel about certain topics).

Like I mentioned, Kenny Stills didn't stand all year and didn't make any promises for this year either yet he got paid more money this offseason.

Question, for those saying he's not good enough to be a backup, what were they saying about Michael Vick after he got out of prison for killing some dogs and then got signed by the Eagles? What's the difference between these 2?

I also remember seeing reports that were saying he supposedly didn't care about Football and was more concerned with social issues than training in the offseason. Nobody said anything to even try and debunk those rumors(which nobody knows how that rumor started in the first place)yet as soon as people say "he's being blackballed from the league because he didn't stand", then everyone comes out the blue with the "Well actually, he's not signed because his QBR was blah, blah, blah".

Another funny thing to me is that we all acknowledge there are only 14-16(maybe less depending on who you ask)good starting caliber QBs, but when it comes to QB2/3, we want to act like there are standards all of a sudden to be that? Lol, there are QBs out there that aren't good enough to be even be backup QBs and we all know that, yet people want to say with "certainty" that he's not good enough to be a backup.

I know uber mentioned that if we were to trade our backup QB, he'd take him in GB. Let's be real, the people that live in GB(let's not be naive, it's about 95% white and 5% Black with half of that percentage on the team)would lose their ****ing mind if they were to bring in THIS guy. Anybody else with his numbers, the fans would be like "Oh, we got ourselves a good backup in case Rodgers goes down). He'd get crapped on by his own fans way worse than Rodgers did in his first year starting.

At the end of the day, I'm not losing any sleep if he doesn't get another opportunity to start again. But we also need to stop lying to ourselves if we think it's all Football reasons that keeping him from getting as much as an interview so far.

I pretty much agree with ND Alum but wanted to add that I've said fans have been overrating him for a while now... back when people were up in arms when he first lost his job in SF, when Denver didn't want him, when Cleveland didn't want him, etc. Hell, I said it when he was the head of the team that was inches away from winning the SB too.

Is he worse than most back ups? Nah, that's going too far. But it's not a new thing that a veteran QB who thinks he's better than most starters has trouble finding back up jobs. Just because he's better than most doesn't mean he's a better fit on most teams for that role. GB would be one of the exceptions, but (as you so eloquently put it) probably isn't likely because of the reasons we are discussing. That's a guess, and we can guess at others but I don't believe that's universal by any stretch. I really believe it's a combination.

As for Vick, plain and simple, he was a better QB when he left the league than Kaep has ever been. He was borderline the face of the NFL.

I think a better comparison on the back up talk is RG3 who's also still looking for a job.

[NDAlum]

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If he was offered a contract but declined, we'd know by now.

Stuff like that is impossible to keep secret from the Media, regardless of who it involves.



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Do we know what he's looking for? I know that one media report has been false.

I'm down with saying it's all about the social stance if there's something saying he was willing to join a team at a reasonable backup rate.

I have my bias I think money is driving it moreso than anything else.


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